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June release 118.6 - General feedback

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Cambria Killgannon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#321 - 2016-06-30 05:13:46 UTC
Wow - this camera... what were you guys thinking?
Rain6637
NulzSec
#322 - 2016-06-30 05:26:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
"Turn Off Animations" would be a nice catch-all setting I could go for.

Could we get a barebones graphics toggle that would help with desync issues in large engagements? Even lower than what we can achieve on our end.

Maybe a virtualized view where the skybox is removed and there are no 3D models, only representational icons. No attempts made to animate effects at all.

And can you allow us to limit the range of items that show on overview, by distance, by tab? Perhaps a range slider like Dscan.
Cerian Alderoth
Cult of the Black Monolith
#323 - 2016-06-30 05:39:09 UTC
Kremlath wrote:
It may be annoying, slow, superfluous junk, but at least it won't make you sick.
I just wrote a bug report about a stuttering effect when boarding the Capsule. Maybe this (with bigger ships hardly noticable) camera problem adds to the nasty effects causing nausea.
Axhind
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#324 - 2016-06-30 05:39:14 UTC
CCP Darwin wrote:
Kremlath wrote:
1) No, we're not adding options to the options menu because that makes things 'complex'

I commented to point out that requesting an additional option toggle is not as helpful as explaining why the feature bothers you, because the graphics software team (my team) is currently working on simplifying the graphics settings options.

A different team than mine is responsible for the docking animation, and despite that they haven't posted here, they are reading all of the feedback.


For love of god back OFF from the ******* options!!! This is not hello kitty online or a closed down MMO. EVE is still alive (although you seem to be doing your best to kill it) and is the most complex game in existence. We need those damn options. If you seriously think that options provided (which are comparable to any FPS) is way too many then you have some very bad understanding of your player base.

BACK OFF FROM THE OPTIONS!
Miss 'Assassination' Cayman
CK-0FF
#325 - 2016-06-30 06:11:02 UTC
Axhind wrote:
CCP Darwin wrote:
Kremlath wrote:
1) No, we're not adding options to the options menu because that makes things 'complex'

I commented to point out that requesting an additional option toggle is not as helpful as explaining why the feature bothers you, because the graphics software team (my team) is currently working on simplifying the graphics settings options.

A different team than mine is responsible for the docking animation, and despite that they haven't posted here, they are reading all of the feedback.


For love of god back OFF from the ******* options!!! This is not hello kitty online or a closed down MMO. EVE is still alive (although you seem to be doing your best to kill it) and is the most complex game in existence. We need those damn options. If you seriously think that options provided (which are comparable to any FPS) is way too many then you have some very bad understanding of your player base.

BACK OFF FROM THE OPTIONS!

This right here! If you want a lot of players, allow the settings to accommodate them all. Everyone is different and what appeals to one person could easily annoy another enough to quit. If there's enough customization for each individual to keep the effects they want while disabling those they don't want, everyone can be happy. I realize it takes dev time to implement the options and ensure they work, but I strongly believe it would be worthwhile from the standpoint of maintaining the player base.

If Eve is supposed to be a sandbox where you make choices and do what you want, it makes sense to let the players make choices and set things up the way they want too. It may add complexity to some menus, but that's nothing compared to the complexity in the game mechanics.
Sergey Hawk
The Sith Syndicate
REFORD
#326 - 2016-06-30 06:17:19 UTC
Axhind wrote:
CCP Darwin wrote:
Kremlath wrote:
1) No, we're not adding options to the options menu because that makes things 'complex'

I commented to point out that requesting an additional option toggle is not as helpful as explaining why the feature bothers you, because the graphics software team (my team) is currently working on simplifying the graphics settings options.

A different team than mine is responsible for the docking animation, and despite that they haven't posted here, they are reading all of the feedback.


For love of god back OFF from the ******* options!!! This is not hello kitty online or a closed down MMO. EVE is still alive (although you seem to be doing your best to kill it) and is the most complex game in existence. We need those damn options. If you seriously think that options provided (which are comparable to any FPS) is way too many then you have some very bad understanding of your player base.

BACK OFF FROM THE OPTIONS!

↑ This!
No need to simplify the graphics settings options and wasting time for nothing.
When people start to play a new game, they just spend half an hour to find an optimal setting and then forgets about them.
I did not touch graphics settings for four years.
Over the years I just changed the UI theme and uncheck new camera when you forcibly turned on it.

Aura: "You need to be within range to execute this function."

Kimi Räikkönen: “Leave me alone, I know what I’m doing.”

Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#327 - 2016-06-30 06:18:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tao Dolcino
Thead Enco wrote:
Does anyone at CCP even read the sisi forums?. If you know ahead of time you going to have some game play issues why bother adding those changes to the game when it will only cause you heartburn and grief on the forums? it's like you guys like wasting time for no reason.


They sadly certainly have no choice, because they have no decisional power. The "commercial director" or other person who has no clue about EVE has taken the decision and the devs have to do it and to shut up. Then they have to be hated by us because they have spent so much time to make some useless crap which is damaging the gameplay. They then try to dodge pathetically by saying "it was not my departement" and other evasive manoeuvres.
But we should address our anger directly at the true responsible for that regular fiasco : THE BOSS.
Hey boss of CCP, come here and discuss openly with us if you have a bit of courage. Take your responsability and take the blame for your mess. don't hide behind the devs.
SeVenNight Deng
Tai-Chi
Northern Coalition.
#328 - 2016-06-30 06:47:14 UTC
Three things need to do to "fix" this patch.

1. Give the option to turn off the docking animation or just simply remove it

2. Fix the camera problem when undocking.

3. Listen to the feedback from players of your "shadow of serpentis", fix bugs and improve the heavy grinding and rewards lack of incentive problems.

cheers,
Pumeia Taranogas
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#329 - 2016-06-30 06:51:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Pumeia Taranogas
Rolder Slaton wrote:
The Serpentis event seems like a ridiculous amount of grinding and tedious site finding/running for how little the reward is. Especially when most of the time the individual sites give you just about nothing.


Yea, just checked mine, my "opportunities" in this event are ALL to kill Angel Cartel stuff. No idea what that gotta do with serpentis but okai.

Considering the fact that our biggest enemy lives in angel space that excludes me also completely from the event as an individual. fair system you got there!

July 10....a magic date by now. after 8 Years...

to the "workaround" with the captains quarters, i'm not willing to use a workaround for a product i play just cuz a feature literally NO ONE likes and that harms people physicla is refused to be taken out. at that moment there is not only something wrong with that feature but as well with the mindset of the company we feeding here (for years).

when people gettin hurt physicly with sickness by a stubborn developer we for sure know how they really "care" about their playerbase. as someone already wrote before: actions speak louder then words. and by now CCP showed the "caring" of a water company selling you their delicious water while poison it with lead in the process.
Sergey Hawk
The Sith Syndicate
REFORD
#330 - 2016-06-30 06:52:04 UTC
Cambria Killgannon wrote:
Wow - this camera... what were you guys thinking?

drinking or smoking is better to describe dock animation.
vikings love mushrooms

Aura: "You need to be within range to execute this function."

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Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#331 - 2016-06-30 07:08:18 UTC
Bad Bobby wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Kasimir Wulf wrote:
Mesacc wrote:
2005 player here. This will most likely be my last post since my subscription runs out in a day or 2. I cancelled 2 accounts after the removal of the old camera and will not be resubscribing until the new camera is brought up to the quality of the old one. Lack of custom tracking position and tracking camera snap speed along with zoom acceleration are my biggest issues and the fact that these are being ignored while you work on useless docking animations that are clearly hated by the player base does not make my returning look promising. I hope you get your priorities in order because I would love to play EVE for another 10 years.


you do know that theres an option to customize it to the feel you want right? but i guess actually looking into the settings tabs to difficult of a task for you.

cya you won't be missed.

That's the funniest thing I've read all day.

A slider that goes from Smooth to Stiff - Isn't really "customization" it simply speeds up or slows down 1 aspect of an otherwise not very user friendly camera.

It's the same as the UI customization features that allow you to choose between a "selection" of color schemes that were all decided upon by someone else.

Chances are, the UI/art department doesn't have the cross section of disabilities needed for them to personally understand all the accessibility issues others will have. So that's why it's important for them to proactively learn about such things and take them into consideration so that people like me don't have to harp on for ages about how you're making your game unplayable to us.

Unfortunately when so many of us told them that the new UI was making the game very difficult for us to play, they just responded by telling us how typical people handle their UI and disregarded the fact that a substantial portion of the people complaining where not typical and as such their responses were both insulting, inappropriate and unhelpful.

And here we are again.

Sorry but no it isn't, color schemes are actually a good addition. Thet offer choice

The new camera is only useful to a minority of the player base, by design. (those who make and upload free advertising for CCP)
It has less usable features then the old, is clunky and often very unresponsive.
The tactical overlay with its curved lines linking ships to distance, makes absolutely no sense, leave that to the tactical camera, the overlay has. had different uses.

And something else I just noticed - The new slow motion undocking timer, turns off the tactical overlay when you undock.

Sorry if I hurt your feelings but that simple slider is not "customization" of the new camera. It is just a slider to reduce one of the worst aspects of it.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Davina Sienar
The Misinterpretation of Silence
#332 - 2016-06-30 07:41:40 UTC
before color shemes we used to have free option to "make" our own color "sheme"
guess that was too complicated for some people Roll

btw those fekkin tooltips blocking my view in hangar, telling that the 700 missiles are 700 missiles and
are maybe worth xy amount of isk are still makin me angry

as said before
if u want generation console / smartphone to be the new playerbase in a pc only game...
keep on the "good" work Sad
Steyr Augmented
Bad Vibe
Pandemic Horde
#333 - 2016-06-30 07:41:49 UTC
Nearly 20 Pages of people saying they don't like the new camera thing. Atleast give us an option to turn it off, I personally don't like it, you can't stop it.

I like the option for the color schemes, don't know why that went away.
The jukebox would be nice to have back. (inb4 who uses sound?)
The PVE events are unfair to new players, multi-boxers have the upper hand in this event.
Event is poorly balanced. I know CCP can do better than this.
Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#334 - 2016-06-30 07:46:46 UTC
Davina Sienar wrote:
if u want generation console / smartphone to be the new playerbase in a pc only game...
keep on the "good" work Sad


That's what they indeed want.
Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#335 - 2016-06-30 07:55:21 UTC
Steyr Augmented wrote:
The PVE events are unfair to new players


Exactly, it's the exact opposite of what it should be doing : being accessible to the newcomers, often isolated and unable to complete an incursion or to kill sleepers ! Roll. The vets get these poor rewards they don't need when they'd be so useful to the newcomers !
Sergey Hawk
The Sith Syndicate
REFORD
#336 - 2016-06-30 08:03:13 UTC
Tao Dolcino wrote:
Thead Enco wrote:
Does anyone at CCP even read the sisi forums?. If you know ahead of time you going to have some game play issues why bother adding those changes to the game when it will only cause you heartburn and grief on the forums? it's like you guys like wasting time for no reason.


They sadly certainly have no choice, because they have no decisional power. The "commercial director" or other person who has no clue about EVE has taken the decision and the devs have to do it and to shut up. Then they have to be hated by us because they have spent so much time to make some useless crap which is damaging the gameplay. They then try to dodge pathetically by saying "it was not my departement" and other evasive manoeuvres.
But we should address our anger directly at the true responsible for that regular fiasco : THE BOSS.
Hey boss of CCP, come here and discuss openly with us if you have a bit of courage. Take your responsability and take the blame for your mess. don't hide behind the devs.


No performances such a "massive capsulers suicide" or "Burn Jita" will not help us.
We all just need to cancel our subscriptions. We can easily renew our subscriptions when the most game issues will be fixed.
What do we lose? Most of us still can not normally play EVE.

Aura: "You need to be within range to execute this function."

Kimi Räikkönen: “Leave me alone, I know what I’m doing.”

Yngvar ayShorn
Einheit X-6
Ushra'Khan
#337 - 2016-06-30 08:34:55 UTC
*raises hand*

The new docking/undocking camera is awful. Takes to much time, makes no sense if you switch your ship in hangar.
It's just annoying.

Remove it or make on/off toggle.

I don't like this feature.

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Calynx
Doomheim
#338 - 2016-06-30 08:57:30 UTC
Yossarian Toralen
M and M Enterpises
#339 - 2016-06-30 08:58:47 UTC
For some reason the art department or whatever they call themselves have way too much say in what happens in this game, you can have the best looking game ever made and that means nothing, you go oooh aaah for a minute and get over that pretty quickly especially if the gameplay is getting interferred with, eg camera, docking/undocking/changing ship, stupid gong noises and flashy animations, slowing down things like changing ships and changing zoom on undock. I know some of these things were called "bugs" and others have been since changed.

If the people that made the changes to the undocking animation acually played the game they would know that you need to be able to see if there is anything on the undock and where it is, the overview only tells you how far away it is and not where it is located. The possibilty of getting jumped off station and whelped has increased since the last patch, great for discouraging anyone to undock.

The epitome of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#340 - 2016-06-30 09:08:34 UTC
Sergey Hawk wrote:
We all just need to cancel our subscriptions. We can easily renew our subscriptions when the most game issues will be fixed. What do we lose? Most of us still can not normally play EVE.

I suspect we would lose both our voice and our self respect.

Sorry, but I'm too old to roll over in the face of prejudice.