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What do you think CCP is planning for the barge rework?
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Zerzzes Markarian
McCloud and Markarian Trade and Logistics Corp.
#141 - 2016-08-24 19:41:18 UTC
http://evenews24.com/2016/08/22/devpost-september-mining-barge-and-exhumer-tweaks/

This is for all the gankers who think the barges are broken, because everybody is using a Skiff:

For a bit of insight into the current usage of the top 7 mining ships, here’s the breakdown of mining yield by volume (last 90 days including ore, ice, and gas):
Retriever: 23%
Mackinaw: 22%
Hulk: 21%
Skiff: 14%
Procurer: 8%
Covetor: 7%
Venture: 4%
Other: 1%

This is the tl;dr:

The overall mining yields of the Procurer, Skiff, Retriever, and Mackinaw remain unchanged after this pass. The Covetor and Hulk will gain a lowslot which allows some new options and the potential of greater yield (although fittings will be appropriately tight when using three MLUs).
Kalido Raddi
Crown Mineworks
#142 - 2016-08-25 01:18:51 UTC
I want to see that broken down by Ore type, or by value.
Zanar Skwigelf
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#143 - 2016-08-25 13:47:38 UTC
Gulmuk wrote:
I have come to the conclusion that after this "UPDATE" I will be come one of the Skiff / Mack exclusive miners. I will sell my Hulk prior to the update because there will be no use for it any further... Thank you CCP for screwing over the miners. I am exclusively a 0.0 miner and spent the last 4 hours on SISI looking at the changes to the Exhumers, and I can say you are going to kill the HULK. There will be no more need for it. 2 strip miners on all the hulls? WTF??? You have effectively eliminated the Hulk from the game.


The effective yield did not change on skiff & mack, and went up on the hulk. Are you sure you were on SISI?

Gulmuk wrote:
The last update to Exhumers you said you wanted the hulk to be a mining fleet ship. But with fleet boosters in a rorqual, I can easily run a 0.0 mining op in ships that TANK, Deal DPS, and MINE almost as much as a HULK. The SKIFF has effectively been made the best all around mining exhumer in EVE. And they are cheaper and easier to build than a HULK.


None of this is different because of the new update. The skiff is the best solo miner for null belts, and the yield on the hulk is significantly better when you have several of them dumping into a freight container for the hauler to take to the POS.


Gulmuk wrote:
As for the Rorqual changes.. WHY would I put a rorqual in a belt or anomaly? IF they are compressing ore they are a sitting duck, and if they aren't they align so slow, they're going to get ganked. NO, I think I will still leave the rorq in the POS, use cheap haulers to move the ore to the Citadel and have a fleet of skiffs in the belt. They can tank, mine, kill the rats that spawn, and haul out their load if reds come in system. So where does the HULK fit in now? Good going CCP... Leave the mining barge changes up to the MINERS and leave the economics up to the economy nerds...


Mining with the rorq in belts will probably be common in null. its pretty easy to set up properly

1) get in a frigate that can perma mwd, make bookmarks every 500km away from the belt / anom. This takes an entire 5 minutes Sad
2) fit a capital higgs anchor to the rorq
3) warp to bookmark, release the mining drones, and align to the POS / safe
4) when neut shows up in system, warp to POS or warp to safe and cloak.
Amarrchecko
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#144 - 2016-08-25 15:28:52 UTC
Zanar Skwigelf wrote:
Gulmuk wrote:
I have come to the conclusion that after this "UPDATE" I will be come one of the Skiff / Mack exclusive miners. I will sell my Hulk prior to the update because there will be no use for it any further... Thank you CCP for screwing over the miners. I am exclusively a 0.0 miner and spent the last 4 hours on SISI looking at the changes to the Exhumers, and I can say you are going to kill the HULK. There will be no more need for it. 2 strip miners on all the hulls? WTF??? You have effectively eliminated the Hulk from the game.


The effective yield did not change on skiff & mack, and went up on the hulk. Are you sure you were on SISI?

Gulmuk wrote:
The last update to Exhumers you said you wanted the hulk to be a mining fleet ship. But with fleet boosters in a rorqual, I can easily run a 0.0 mining op in ships that TANK, Deal DPS, and MINE almost as much as a HULK. The SKIFF has effectively been made the best all around mining exhumer in EVE. And they are cheaper and easier to build than a HULK.


None of this is different because of the new update. The skiff is the best solo miner for null belts, and the yield on the hulk is significantly better when you have several of them dumping into a freight container for the hauler to take to the POS.


Gulmuk wrote:
As for the Rorqual changes.. WHY would I put a rorqual in a belt or anomaly? IF they are compressing ore they are a sitting duck, and if they aren't they align so slow, they're going to get ganked. NO, I think I will still leave the rorq in the POS, use cheap haulers to move the ore to the Citadel and have a fleet of skiffs in the belt. They can tank, mine, kill the rats that spawn, and haul out their load if reds come in system. So where does the HULK fit in now? Good going CCP... Leave the mining barge changes up to the MINERS and leave the economics up to the economy nerds...


Mining with the rorq in belts will probably be common in null. its pretty easy to set up properly

1) get in a frigate that can perma mwd, make bookmarks every 500km away from the belt / anom. This takes an entire 5 minutes Sad
2) fit a capital higgs anchor to the rorq
3) warp to bookmark, release the mining drones, and align to the POS / safe
4) when neut shows up in system, warp to POS or warp to safe and cloak.



Assuming it can boost while mobile, sure. I'm actually feeling like 70% certain it won't need to be sieged for 5 min at a time anymore based on what weve seen so far though. Doesn't seem to mesh with the new "links are a temporary aoe buff" mechanic for the rorq to be in IC in order to "cast" the buff.

I feel rorq might be a bit op with mining drones, more defense, invulnerable gimmick, AND not needing to be stationary though. Although people lose plenty of ships that align faster than the rorq still so I guess they'd still die pretty often even if mobile while boosting.

Very interested to see what happens
Autism Intensifies
some random local shitlords
#145 - 2016-08-25 16:54:18 UTC
Kalido Raddi wrote:
I want to see that broken down by Ore type, or by value.


Rets & Macks probably in Nullsec Icebelts. Almost all of them.
Arianne Kass
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#146 - 2016-08-25 19:22:22 UTC
Also check the Monthly economic reports http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70343/1/3_mining.value.by.region.png (values for May as the June report didn't include this picture).

Domain, Lonetrek and The Forge as premier highsec mining regions, Providence for null (now that the Goon empire in Deklein is gone). Looks like all those complaints about Retrievers and Mackinaws not being viable are mostly hot air.
Kalido Raddi
Crown Mineworks
#147 - 2016-08-26 02:30:55 UTC
Autism Intensifies wrote:
Kalido Raddi wrote:
I want to see that broken down by Ore type, or by value.


Rets & Macks probably in Nullsec Icebelts. Almost all of them.

I live in a NullSec ice system. People use Procurers & Skiffs on Ice, because of the faster cycle time.

After the changes to Exhumers, that will switch to Hulks having the fastest cycle time, so I'm going to sell my Ice Skiff and fit up an Ice Hulk soon.