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Wormhole advice C2

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Cant think23 Ct's
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-06-21 15:33:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Cant think23 Ct's
Hi guys,

I'm not new to eve.. just wormholes. My eve career has spanned nearly 10 years back and forth, I've done the pvp and blob fleets and solo piracy etc etc.

I just want to make eve interesting for me again. So I have moved into a c2 and have a great setup. It has a null and c5 static, it's rarely busy though, which is great. I'm looking for things to do, I have an alt with me in the hole and have setup some PI, but having never really done any PI before I have somehow managed to setup p2 on a few planets .

Also the alt can mine, I have access to orca, and also a citadel to work out of. I feel like I'm setup, I'm not adverse to some decent pvp however and if I come across an opportunity its I will exploit it as anyone would.

But what else can I be doing, in your experiences, is the hacking/relic/combat sites really worth it? I get that salvaging and the blue loot is OK, p4obably not as great as it used to be.. but any suggestions for ships, I would appreciate.

I can fly nearly all subcap and some caps. I already have a few recon ships and hellos for my scanning. And a bc and bs ... not really sure which works best.

Any advice at all is appreciated and apologies if I come across as ignorant of wormhole life.. this is definitely one thing I'm new at.

Thanks

This was posted using my phone and autocorrect... fail.
Wairui
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2016-06-21 17:12:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Wairui
Permament life in wormhole space is not a solo activity. As with hundreds of others before you, you'll either quit from tedious boredom or get easily kicked out by corp looking for LOLs.

Either join one of the many existing corps (e.g. Repo Industries for PvP with PvE on the side ) and get lots of experience first. Or get lots of people to join your corp soon, a very difficult objective.
Cant think23 Ct's
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-06-21 17:37:30 UTC
See i don't believe that at all. I have lived in enemy null space for over 2 months minding my own business.. staying in a wormhole with some visitors now and again is fine by me. It doesn't require a corporation/lots of experienced people.. if you can learn to do something yourself and your good at it, there is no need then to have a few more people around.

I would expect that response for the likes of a C3/4/5/6 maybe, but based on what little knowledge i know so far, a C2 is not impossible solo.
Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#4 - 2016-06-21 17:44:50 UTC
What are you actually asking? I see a lot of ramblings about bearing related stuff.....which is boring.

Then stuff about how you want eve to be interesting again.

Your goals seem kinda at odds to me, either your confused or your just looking for some covert bearing advice?

Do you like scanning? Do you like hunting? If the answer to one or both of those is no then yes you will likely get bored of w-space especially if your just running a PI hole.

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Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#5 - 2016-06-21 17:54:06 UTC
Cant think23 Ct's wrote:
See i don't believe that at all. I have lived in enemy null space for over 2 months minding my own business.. staying in a wormhole with some visitors now and again is fine by me. It doesn't require a corporation/lots of experienced people.. if you can learn to do something yourself and your good at it, there is no need then to have a few more people around.

I would expect that response for the likes of a C3/4/5/6 maybe, but based on what little knowledge i know so far, a C2 is not impossible solo.


Then you are about to find out the hard way what it's like to have yourself chewed up. Be that by a fleet or by your own doing when you burn out...

If all you want to do is bear your heart out, and run away when a fleet turns up at your doorstep, you're not adding a whole lot to our space...

With A C5 static, you're going to roll into the likes of HK, Lazerhawks, Overload This and an assortment of very, very large corps that dislike people who add absolutely zero to wormhole space.

Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."

Wairui
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2016-06-21 17:59:04 UTC
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1c3crysta1
Silent Majority.
Aspartame.
#7 - 2016-06-21 18:38:48 UTC
Seraph Essael wrote:


If all you want to do is bear your heart out, and run away when a fleet turns up at your doorstep, you're not adding a whole lot to our space...


While I agree that there's not much content added, isn't the part "our space" a null-sec mentality? Isn't WH-space for everyone to do what they please with?
Pax Deltari
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-06-21 19:24:45 UTC
Wairui wrote:
Permament life in wormhole space is not a solo activity. As with hundreds of others before you, you'll either quit from tedious boredom or get easily kicked out by corp looking for LOLs.

Either join one of the many existing corps (e.g. Repo Industries for PvP with PvE on the side ) and get lots of experience first. Or get lots of people to join your corp soon, a very difficult objective.


Ignore this idiot.

You can definitely live in wormhole solo. The main advice I'd give you is just don't rub people that come into your hole the wrong way. Provide fights when you can and give gf's after. This will keep people friendly towards it will be unlikely that anyone will decide to evict you for the "lols". All wormhole residents really want content which if you provide, you'll make lots of friends. Some of which would be more than happy to hear that there's an "invading fleet" besieging your citadel that they could kill.

As far as bearing to make money there are plenty of things you can do, but please don't waste your time mining.
You'll find that most of the activities you do will actually be outside of your hole. After you farm out all of the sites you will want to go out and explore down your wormhole chain to find more activities to do.

Your C5 Static is a great hole because you and probably your alts can go through, find some instrumental or core gas sites and make some insane money blitzing the gas sites in huffing ventures. You can also go out explore a bit and find other c3 c2 holes through the wormhole network that you can farm the sites on to make money. Blue loot isn't quite as valuable as it was before but it's still a great way to make money solo or with a few alts.

But you gotta ask yourself why you're doing all this on your own. You can make a crazy amount of isk very quickly in wormhole space but eventually you'll have enough spacebucks to buy whatever you want and you'll start looking around for things to do. Most people answer this boredom with PvP. Your null static is awesome for this because you will get deposited into a random null sec system that you can roam out of to an enemy staging system, or find some null sec ratters to kill. If things get too hot you can safely just fly back into your hole, because everyone knows that null bears are terrified of all things wormhole and won't follow you in. :)
Amthala
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2016-06-21 21:53:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Amthala
Can you live in a WH solo? sure, of course.
Should you? GOOD LORD NO!
Wspace is not nullsec. I dont care where you've lived in NS or with how many people, it's not relevant.

The single best advice I can possibly give anyone looking to get into WHs is join a corp, or go in there with an existing corp.

PS: C2>C5/NS is a pretty horrific choice. You can't do anything worth doing in a C5 solo and if you want NS access, live in NS. You want to look for a C2 or a C4 with a C4 static so that you have the most possible WH connections.
Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#10 - 2016-06-21 21:54:36 UTC
1c3crysta1 wrote:
Seraph Essael wrote:


If all you want to do is bear your heart out, and run away when a fleet turns up at your doorstep, you're not adding a whole lot to our space...


While I agree that there's not much content added, isn't the part "our space" a null-sec mentality? Isn't WH-space for everyone to do what they please with?


Okay I will rephrase that for you to understand better what I mean... Our community... As in, the wormhole community. Because let's face it, the Wormhole community are a lot different from the other communities in mentality...

And as I have never been in nullsec, I wouldn't know, quite honestly... But I'm pretty sure people would rather have a new group join us that will put something back into our already overlooked 90% of the time community rather than not putting anything back at all?

Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."

Cant think23 Ct's
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2016-06-21 23:57:17 UTC
Didn't expect the negativity at all..

Right then, to answer some of your questions:

What are you doing this for: like I said, I want to make eve exciting again.. something different that doesn't require me to be in null or low sec space.. I've never lived in wormholes and I'm actually quite liking the dynamic nature of who you can meet on your doorstep.

As far as what I can contribute: anything I like really? Wormhole community? Our space? Not being funny but if I see 5-10 people on scan then yes I'm gonna run to my citadel, especially since there is no need to lose a ship so needlessly... if I see 1-2 people on scan then maybe I won't. I've done my fair share of pvp in all areas of eve, wormholes included. But I've never lived in one, this post was about finding out any tips that people have, good advice like the guys above you explaining the different facets of wormhole life.

I'm hoping il make friends with people... I'm hoping someone will come in and shoot me now and again, It will create content for me.. I don't care about contributing to your version of a 'community'.

In regards to joining a Corp or recruiting.. it's possible.. I guess its not off the table.

I haven't just gone into a hole and thought.. yeah let's bear the **** out of this place and make loads of isk, I love to scan things down.. love jumping into a wormhole and seeing what can be killed or found.. offline towers with assets, I love genuine surprises.

So back to my original questions.

So far thank you for all the advice.
Amthala
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2016-06-22 01:49:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Amthala
So to summarize, you've come here stating that you're fully setup by yourself in a C2 with a citadel and are now asking the WH community about what you can actually DO in wspace.
Then when we tell you that you should be looking to join an active corp so that you actually have something to do, you say 'nah im good, I have no interest in joining a corp and actually participating in anything' with lovely quotes like:

Quote:
I'm hoping ill make friends with people... I'm hoping someone will come in and shoot me now and again, It will create content for me.. I don't care about contributing to your version of a 'community'.

I can't be the only one who sees the internal irony of this statement...

The bottom line is you can do a lot of things in wspace and you can either join a group and work with people to do them, or you can not do that and figure things out for yourself.
Either way is fine and completely up to you but dont expect to come to the forums and have years of hard earned wspace experience magically bestowed upon you by people you have explicitly stated you have no interest in being in a community with.

PS: Have you even considered, for example, what happens to your shiny new citadel when (not if) you get killed while out scanning and get stuck with no scanner in your WH? I mean, i assume you have alts who can scan but what do you realistically think is the minimum number of toons with probes you need in a system before it's realistically unlikely to lose your entry to it? Im sure that number varies with experience but it's certainly more than your corp member count of 2.
Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#13 - 2016-06-22 02:13:38 UTC
Amthala wrote:
...Have you even considered, for example, what happens to your shiny new citadel when (not if) you get killed while out scanning and get stuck with no scanner in your WH? I mean, i assume you have alts who can scan but what do you realistically think is the minimum number of toons with probes you need in a system before it's realistically unlikely to lose your entry to it? Im sure that number varies with experience but it's certainly more than your corp member count of 2.



lol brutal

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2016-06-22 06:40:41 UTC
rolling holes by yourself in a c2 is also a chore that I wish on no-one

Unless you've got 3 characters all battleship capable and a spare scanner in case you get rolled out you're going to burn out very quickly looking for content/isk
Cant think23 Ct's
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2016-06-22 07:05:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Cant think23 Ct's
Amthala wrote:
So to summarize, you've come here stating that you're fully setup by yourself in a C2 with a citadel and are now asking the WH community about what you can actually DO in wspace.
Then when we tell you that you should be looking to join an active corp so that you actually have something to do, you say 'nah im good, I have no interest in joining a corp and actually participating in anything' with lovely quotes like:

Quote:
I'm hoping ill make friends with people... I'm hoping someone will come in and shoot me now and again, It will create content for me.. I don't care about contributing to your version of a 'community'.

I can't be the only one who sees the internal irony of this statement...

The bottom line is you can do a lot of things in wspace and you can either join a group and work with people to do them, or you can not do that and figure things out for yourself.
Either way is fine and completely up to you but dont expect to come to the forums and have years of hard earned wspace experience magically bestowed upon you by people you have explicitly stated you have no interest in being in a community with.

PS: Have you even considered, for example, what happens to your shiny new citadel when (not if) you get killed while out scanning and get stuck with no scanner in your WH? I mean, i assume you have alts who can scan but what do you realistically think is the minimum number of toons with probes you need in a system before it's realistically unlikely to lose your entry to it? Im sure that number varies with experience but it's certainly more than your corp member count of 2.



Clearly you have misunderstood me, I said I was not going to Contribute to his version of a community and his space. Because he feels that doing the pve stuff isn't contributing and assumes that's all il do. Like I explained before I am willing to pvp with anyone but I'm not stupidly going to lose my ships. If I choose not to abide by one persons views of how the game should be played, does that make it ironic?

Have I considered when I get killed in my scanner and I can't find my way back? Yes I have. In fact it actually happened recently, I was stuck in a c1 with no scanning mods of any kind. But I had remembered the hi sec entrance to a hole down the chain and self destructed, got another scanner and headed to that system again. I got my way back. Will it always be the case everytime? No lol and I'm not under any illusion it will be.

Yes this Corp is only two members. It's working thus far, I might recruit more people for wh or I might not... I haven't really decided if I want to do that yet. And just because I don't want to join another persons Corp? I'm not rejecting your advice or anything.. if I'd have wanted that I'd be in that Corp and doing the same things.. but I'm not. Which is why the question at the start is about living solo in a C2. And I never said I didn't want to participate in anything? I pointed yet again to one persons version/opinion of how it should be played and advised I won't be playing their way.

I'm not here to rub people up the wrong way, but if you come into a thread and start talking about how 'best not be bearing as its not contributing to our space' then yeah I'm going to avoid your version of how you play this game.. I think il do it how I want to do it and Contribute in a different way to you. I only asked for some advice on ships... living in wormhole space and so far two people have been actually helpful.
1c3crysta1
Silent Majority.
Aspartame.
#16 - 2016-06-22 08:59:54 UTC
For starters, do you PvE with one character or with both? You said that you can fly almost all sub-cap stuff, which makes me think of those solo marauders doing C5 sites but it's a huge risk. High gain if you can pull it off though. Otherwise, you can:

  • Look to your null-sec static for sites if it's calm and empty. Probably want to go with something quick and powerful here, like a T3 cruiser or maybe a command ship.
  • Huff gas in the C5, probably the best risk/gain-ratio but boring.
  • Do your sigs/anoms in that C2, could be done with most BCs/T2 cruisers and above (just make sure you can deal with alot of frigates/cruiser-sized NPCs).
  • PI, steady but low and boring income.

If you're planning to stick around in w-space solo, I'd suggest that you train up a second character for some duo-action. It's makes for a lot easier, cheaper and more powerful fits when you add in remote repping/cap transfer (domis and rattles excel at this).
Cant think23 Ct's
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2016-06-22 09:16:12 UTC
1c3crysta1 wrote:
For starters, do you PvE with one character or with both? You said that you can fly almost all sub-cap stuff, which makes me think of those solo marauders doing C5 sites but it's a huge risk. High gain if you can pull it off though. Otherwise, you can:

  • Look to your null-sec static for sites if it's calm and empty. Probably want to go with something quick and powerful here, like a T3 cruiser or maybe a command ship.
  • Huff gas in the C5, probably the best risk/gain-ratio but boring.
  • Do your sigs/anoms in that C2, could be done with most BCs/T2 cruisers and above (just make sure you can deal with alot of frigates/cruiser-sized NPCs).
  • PI, steady but low and boring income.

If you're planning to stick around in w-space solo, I'd suggest that you train up a second character for some duo-action. It's makes for a lot easier, cheaper and more powerful fits when you add in remote repping/cap transfer (domis and rattles excel at this).



Thank you for that, my alt is a miner/manufacturing/pi alt. My main is combat, it wouldn't take long to do an alt Into combat either which could work.

Never done the gas stuff before, but I'll keep an eye out for it.

Dual domis would be awesome!
Tim Nering
R3d Fire
#18 - 2016-06-22 10:10:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tim Nering
=\ you went about this kind of backwards. Generally you have some fever dream idea about what you want to do and then you pick the wormhole that best suits that. Now ur in a 25n and trying to figure out what to do.

25n wormholes were all the rage up until the carrier mega buffs. (and with the incoming mega nerfs maybe they will be all the rage again). Basically what 25n corps do is they use the c5 for any pve/money making they might wan2 do in the form on running c5 sites and/or highclass gas mining. Then you have a rollable nullsec wormhole that you can use to find small gang content. If your null exit yields no content, lol just roll it until you get a good one. If that sounds interesting to you i would suggest you join one of many corps that are doing this. Full Broadside, Sky Fighters, Hotline k162, Furnace (back in thera?), and The Golden Horde.

Or... start recruiting and make your very own!

well anyway, thats what the meta of a 25n, is. heres hoping u like it. Hey maybe focus a lot on BLOPS. u can be the BLOPS 25n corp. that would be pretty badass =DCool

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Cant think23 Ct's
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2016-06-22 11:02:52 UTC
Tim Nering wrote:
=\ you went about this kind of backwards. Generally you have some fever dream idea about what you want to do and then you pick the wormhole that best suits that. Now ur in a 25n and trying to figure out what to do.

25n wormholes were all the rage up until the carrier mega buffs. (and with the incoming mega nerfs maybe they will be all the rage again). Basically what 25n corps do is they use the c5 for any pve/money making they might wan2 do in the form on running c5 sites and/or highclass gas mining. Then you have a rollable nullsec wormhole that you can use to find small gang content. If your null exit yields no content, lol just roll it until you get a good one. If that sounds interesting to you i would suggest you join one of many corps that are doing this. Full Broadside, Sky Fighters, Hotline k162, Furnace (back in thera?), and The Golden Horde.

Or... start recruiting and make your very own!

well anyway, thats what the meta of a 25n, is. heres hoping u like it. Hey maybe focus a lot on BLOPS. u can be the BLOPS 25n corp. that would be pretty badass =DCool



Interesting, thanks for the advice Tim. Recruitment is something I could consider but I just can't put an awful lot of time into eve at the moment. Maybe a few hours a night here and there. I like the sort of autonomous nature of a solo setup and doing what you need to do only when you can. Citadels are brilliant for that because it's not needed to refuel to just stay in it. And I'm playing with the idea of having two Citadels or three in the same hole with different vulnerability times to deter people from trying to evict.

The c5s I have been going into as of late have been dead.. and I've been going down the chain a lot to find people and different interactions and obviously a hi-sec entrance to bring in a few more things I need or want.

But I get what you mean entirely, to be fair my first choice for a wormhole was a c1 with the hisec static etc and I wanted to try it for a while. It was good.. no citadel.. no pos.. just wanted to sit in one for a week. But the drawbacks were just too much, bigger ships etc. And I wanted to bring in the bigger ships, of course that also has the added possibility of somebody else doing the same. Which is fine I suppose, I don't mind duking it out in the name of good fights in local and on my way again win or lose.

I will take all your thoughts on board though, thank you!

Cant think23 Ct's
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2016-07-02 07:23:19 UTC
Just wanted to say thank you to those guys that have given some great advice. And also to the people mailing me in game about recruitment and joining up.. more than happy to help if i can :)

o7 fly safe!
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