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Arkoth 24
Doomheim
#81 - 2016-06-22 08:43:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkoth 24
Dagrin RDM
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#82 - 2016-06-22 08:56:07 UTC
There is a PvP arena in Eve.
It's called the alliance tournament.
Enjoy!

"The secret of Eve is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made." - Groucho Marx (updated for Eve)

Reavers? Never heard of them.
MaxaOhbka
Falcorre's Lair
#83 - 2016-06-22 09:16:18 UTC  |  Edited by: MaxaOhbka
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:
Because... that's the selling point of this game?

Ammmm.... I would say, at least not for everyone.
Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:
Honestly, it is normally dirty chat messages in local that make me come in Eve.

Wait...


Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:
That you need to work hard or work smart to achieve your goals?

Some things must be hard, but if it is too hard it's not fun.
Is docking\undocking process hard in EVE?
And how hard it in real life. Do you want it become hard? I don't think so.


Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:
There are two reasons why it's a bad idea to bet on the general gaming public (i.e. "the lazies") here. First, the aforementioned sandbox elements. It's those principles that allowed EVE to stay afloat fo 13 years and keep going strong DESPITE the fact that EVE is rather bad in a multitude of other aspects: the clunky controls and UI, a number of half-arsed features, numerous design screwups, etc. Yet, the sandbox experience are still unmatched by any other game. If you remove the sandbox from EVE by adding quick fights without consequences, you'll get a very mediocre space shooter.


I agree. But I did not ask to delete anything.
And it turns out that I do not ask to add anything radically new.
I want affordability and convenience for things what already in there. For the fun.

Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:
Second, the fact that the lazies are - surprise! - lazy. They're unlikely to dedicate much time and effort into perfecting their playstyles and stay loyal to one game. Yes, they'll inject some cash at the starting level to level up their Ravens, but, once they've explored the game to some extent, they'll get bored and leave. I keep in touch with a guild I played with in a different game, and they're just like that. Statistically, they don't stay in one MMO game for more than 4-5 months.


It is difficult to determine, even to experts in statistics, I think.
What changes will involve this or that type of players I am no expert in this.
But there is a simple thing which I am sure - lazy did not win the tournament.
But lazy as I, can quietly relax in a chair and place his bets
MaxaOhbka
Falcorre's Lair
#84 - 2016-06-22 09:21:35 UTC  |  Edited by: MaxaOhbka
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:
It's understandable: today's companies find themselves in a fierce competition with each other over the customer, so his attention span tends to be pretty short. And I can see your logic: MOBA and FPS games with instanced arena-type matches traditionally sport the largest demographic within the gaming community, so it can me tempting to try and tap into this pool of potential customers. The only problem here has already been mentioned above: CCP is better than its competitors in the sandbox department, but can't outmatch them in other aspects. If you ruin the open world with its economy, EVE as we know it will be gone, and there are no guarantees that it would get better.


I try to look at things realistically.
It is foolish to believe that the EVE suddenly seize monopoly of MOBA games.
But I'm not afraid if EVE make a step at this direction too.
Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
#85 - 2016-06-22 09:34:54 UTC
MaxaOhbka wrote:
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:
It's understandable: today's companies find themselves in a fierce competition with each other over the customer, so his attention span tends to be pretty short. And I can see your logic: MOBA and FPS games with instanced arena-type matches traditionally sport the largest demographic within the gaming community, so it can me tempting to try and tap into this pool of potential customers. The only problem here has already been mentioned above: CCP is better than its competitors in the sandbox department, but can't outmatch them in other aspects. If you ruin the open world with its economy, EVE as we know it will be gone, and there are no guarantees that it would get better.


I try to look at things realistically.
It is foolish to believe that the EVE suddenly seize monopoly of MOBA games.
But I'm not afraid if EVE make a step at this direction too.


You want a different game.

Why are you arguing to change this one when there are so many games out there that are much more like what you want?

Total failure to grasp anything resembling logical thought.

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."

- Hunter S. Thompson
MaxaOhbka
Falcorre's Lair
#86 - 2016-06-22 09:48:28 UTC
Arkoth 24 wrote:
Some time ago i saw a nice idea in one of the WiS-topics (DON'T even start, this is not 'bout WiS). Among other things like pool and blackjack it was suggested to add a holo-simulator to captain quarters, so every newbie may try any ship class in his first day in New Eden. Yeap, 1-day-old pilot fitting and using titans in his simulator.

Not so bad for my taste.

So let people dueling in such a simulator with no cost for hulls or modules, and no limit for skills, but with no outcome either, may be just another interesting possibility.

And it will cause a great shitstorm in community for sure.


When a new character editor has been added to EVE.
I spent a lot of time in it, it was beautiful and quite comfortable.
Both he and a pilot room may not very suitable for the space sandbox.
But he adds a dive into the world it fun and does not bother anyone.
MaxaOhbka
Falcorre's Lair
#87 - 2016-06-22 09:56:09 UTC
Deck Cadelanne wrote:
You want a different game.

Just why? Just why did you think so?
MaxaOhbka wrote:
I agree. But I did not ask to delete anything.
And it turns out that I do not ask to add anything radically new.
I want affordability and convenience for things what already in there. For the fun.
Arkoth 24
Doomheim
#88 - 2016-06-22 10:04:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkoth 24
MaxaOhbka wrote:
When a new character editor has been added to EVE.
I spent a lot of time in it, it was beautiful and quite comfortable.
Both he and a pilot room may not very suitable for the space sandbox.
But he adds a dive into the world it fun and does not bother anyone.

There will be always a bunch of retards, who will cry "Oh noes, don't add anithyng in EvE unless it not affect the core mechanics! It's useless, no one need it, let devs work on IMPORTANT things and don't bother 'em with your crap!! We need SOV changes, and more balance, and [ship name] is so OP, and this is a-game-'bout-spaceships, and... blah-blah-blah".

The core mechanics by itself are useless. EvE needs things and instruments that will attract people, make use of mechanics comfortable and interesting. There's no need to break a sand-box thing for it. I really like the idea of flight simulator - it may let test fits and make duels without actual fight, spending ISK and months of learning skills.

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Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#89 - 2016-06-22 10:31:11 UTC
MaxaOhbka wrote:
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:
It's understandable: today's companies find themselves in a fierce competition with each other over the customer, so his attention span tends to be pretty short. And I can see your logic: MOBA and FPS games with instanced arena-type matches traditionally sport the largest demographic within the gaming community, so it can me tempting to try and tap into this pool of potential customers. The only problem here has already been mentioned above: CCP is better than its competitors in the sandbox department, but can't outmatch them in other aspects. If you ruin the open world with its economy, EVE as we know it will be gone, and there are no guarantees that it would get better.


I try to look at things realistically.
It is foolish to believe that the EVE suddenly seize monopoly of MOBA games.
But I'm not afraid if EVE make a step at this direction too.


I'd be very worried if they tried this because I suspect it would lead to horrible balancing issues to keep the e-sport players happy.
This isn't the only game I play and the other one I play is really two games, one being the PVE/world PVP and the other being instanced PVP. Balancing the classes for the playstyles is seemingly an impossible task.
MaxaOhbka
Falcorre's Lair
#90 - 2016-06-22 10:59:02 UTC  |  Edited by: MaxaOhbka
Arkoth 24 wrote:

The core mechanics by itself are useless. EvE needs things and instruments that will attract people, make use of mechanics comfortable and interesting. There's no need to break a sand-box thing for it. I really like the idea of flight simulator - it may let test fits and make duels without actual fight, spending ISK and months of learning skills.


I agree, and it will be even easier to do than what I suggested.
That not give prophit but will be fun
Even if it will not be implemented in the form of a tournament ladder. Still needs to be some sort of built-in mechanism to select or search for a partner to fight. And one this make life much easier.
MaxaOhbka
Falcorre's Lair
#91 - 2016-06-22 11:40:30 UTC  |  Edited by: MaxaOhbka
Avaelica Kuershin wrote:
I'd be very worried if they tried this because I suspect it would lead to horrible balancing issues to keep the e-sport players happy.
This isn't the only game I play and the other one I play is really two games, one being the PVE/world PVP and the other being instanced PVP. Balancing the classes for the playstyles is seemingly an impossible task.


Can i ask you something, i really wanna know.
The mechanism of the sale and contracts looks like sandbox only?
Hacking mechanism looks like sandbox?
Mission and resource extraction looks like sandbox only?
Scanning looks like sandbox?
Skill mechanism need for a sandbox?
Guild\alliance mechanism need for a sandbox?
And there is much more game mechanics and all of them different
So there is something else besides sandbox in EVE.
It already have a lot of thing what classic sandbox dont need.

So why it can't contain more?
Elinara Yamamoto
Latex Entosis
#92 - 2016-06-22 12:39:43 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
New eden is an arena.

I have been very vocal on this topic when it was tabled as a goodbye troll from an outgoing dev some time ago and that episode of
Flaming-pants-on-head hysteria is still on record if you care to look for it.

Dojo something or other and i belive its archived in F&I.

To be brief ,
No.

To elaborate a little on that ,
**** No, and **** off.


Saves me typing as I fully agree with Ralph on this! Yeah &^%# NO!
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#93 - 2016-06-22 13:32:19 UTC
MaxaOhbka wrote:
Well then, it is so fun then you think eve so unique that is similar to the boutique.
I glad confirm what there is a few things what you can find only in EVE.
So what does someone opens a any store, for profit of course.
Boutique operation principle, It involves the sale of a fairly narrow range of goods
The range of boutique can not compete with the supermarket.
And where will be more people? Different people looking different things.
You do not go to the boutique to buy some bread.


And you don't go to the market for high end specialty goods. Turn EVE into a supermarket, you kick out the current customer base that likes the product as it is.

No thanks.
MaxaOhbka
Falcorre's Lair
#94 - 2016-06-22 15:06:44 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
And you don't go to the market for high end specialty goods. Turn EVE into a supermarket, you kick out the current customer base that likes the product as it is.


Supermarkets I know, usually have several boutiques on the territory and this scheme is profitable for them.
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#95 - 2016-06-22 15:12:11 UTC
i always wonder why the likes of call of duty doesn't have vehicles and things blowing up but battlefield does, wierd Shocked

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#96 - 2016-06-22 15:12:23 UTC
MaxaOhbka wrote:
Supermarkets I know, usually have several boutiques on the territory and this scheme is profitable for them.


Tell someone who gets their groceries delivered by high end specialty stores to start shopping in a wall mart food center and see how they react.
MaxaOhbka
Falcorre's Lair
#97 - 2016-06-22 15:36:42 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Tell someone who gets their groceries delivered by high end specialty stores to start shopping in a wall mart food center and see how they react.


I said earlier that buyers attitude causes that the owner opens new boutiques and sells new things there.
What does this boutique suffers from a lack assortment and becomes weaker level his competitiveness.
And if this continues, some of the new boutique, which receives a range of new products, will suddenly become more profitable.
A don't wanna see that happen then.
Dildus Maximus
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2016-06-22 15:45:10 UTC
No to Arena.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#99 - 2016-06-22 15:46:37 UTC
MaxaOhbka wrote:
I said earlier that buyers attitude causes that the owner opens new boutiques and sells new things there.
What does this boutique suffers from a lack assortment and becomes weaker level his competitiveness.
And if this continues, some of the new boutique, which receives a range of new products, will suddenly become more profitable.
A don't wanna see that happen then.


And I don't want more people in the game if that means a watered down version of the game.

Still a no.
Giaus Felix
Doomheim
#100 - 2016-06-22 15:50:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Giaus Felix
I do believe that the OP is suffering from a rectal cranial inversion, the only cure is to kill them with fire before they breed.

As for arenas? No thanks, I can play other games if I want that sort of content.

I came for the spaceships, I stayed for the tears.