These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE Information Portal

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Dev Blog: Bidding Farewell to the In-game Browser

First post First post First post
Author
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
#261 - 2016-06-21 23:41:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Sustrai Aditua
LOL! Given the fact that "devs" around this place is using the term quite loosely: If it's beyond our bare-bones minimum salary allotment, we cut it loose. If it can be built quickly and cheaply, and painted to look cool, then let's get on it
right away!

Here's to the stationary ships! May they sit there motionless and...do whatever! Yay!

Three things set EVE apart...the real EVE, that is...er, was....the notepad, the calculator and the BROWSER.

Like Meatloaf said, "Two outta three ain't bad." Wayttaminnit...Meatloaf SUCKS!

If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.

Eugene Dupont
Barrel Roll Squad
#262 - 2016-06-22 00:11:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Eugene Dupont
Well, lets hear what CCP FoxFour have to say about his/her overlays
purebegoid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#263 - 2016-06-22 00:48:07 UTC
In the dev blog it says:

Quote:
Again however we must advise against using the IGB if you can do so. The only reason that we are not removing the IGB with the release tomorrow is to give all those developers who have tools created that utilize it time to move their projects over to an external browser.



Quote:
Again however we must advise against using the IGB if you can do so.


What again? There is no mentioning of not using the in game browser in the dev blog up until that point.

To me that reads like the initial draft of the blog had some mentioning of why not to use the in game browser but has since been removed in later drafts before posting. This whole thing stinks of a cover up. What are you not telling us CCP? Why are you censoring your dev blogs? Why are you FORCING us to out of game browsers to look at fleet porn? Now we have to remember to clear cache and cookies god damn it.

Drabbin Mishi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#264 - 2016-06-22 01:04:39 UTC
Sorry if this has been asked, but how do I cause EVE to send my links to the Overwolf client (which is working great for TS3), instead of my desktop Firefox?
Eugene Dupont
Barrel Roll Squad
#265 - 2016-06-22 01:37:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Eugene Dupont
Ah, there's a catch - you can't Smile
I hoped CCP FoxFour will say that, but...
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
#266 - 2016-06-22 04:13:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Sustrai Aditua
Drabbin Mishi wrote:
Sorry if this has been asked, but how do I cause EVE to send my links to the Overwolf client (which is working great for TS3), instead of my desktop Firefox?
Short answer? You don't. You might try dragging them into the notepad if your new browser can pick them up from that.. I just downloaded that thing. I'm not sure I trust those people, though. They look like your typical
deluge with clicktraps folks.

If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.

Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#267 - 2016-06-22 04:21:27 UTC
And new FireFox ignores all embedded color profiles... so all pictures are displayed as sRGB...

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1127354

Cry
Jin O'harlen
Dynamic Cognitions Inc
#268 - 2016-06-22 04:27:06 UTC
This is taking something very unique away from this game. This is taking such a big part of the immersion away from the game. Stop trying to make shooters, put down the VR goggles, and get back to making the best online game ever made. You guys did that before, remember?
Bawb Zennshinagas
Zennshinagas LLC.
#269 - 2016-06-22 04:48:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Bawb Zennshinagas
Spc One wrote:
And new FireFox ignores all embedded color profiles... so all pictures are displayed as sRGB...

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1127354

Cry



Haha, screw your color accuracy. -CCP as they continue to push ********, unthought out, unusable overlay solutions.

Browsers are in a pretty sad state these days. So much feature creep, too little usefulness.
Axhind
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#270 - 2016-06-22 05:38:51 UTC
Bawb Zennshinagas wrote:
Spc One wrote:
And new FireFox ignores all embedded color profiles... so all pictures are displayed as sRGB...

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1127354

Cry



Haha, screw your color accuracy. -CCP as they continue to push ********, unthought out, unusable overlay solutions.

Browsers are in a pretty sad state these days. So much feature creep, too little usefulness.


That's why I'm using pale moon and vivaldi. But that doesn't really fix the problems with CREST not working properly nor issues for people with one monitor.

On-top functionality for a normal browser might actually be a lot better solution than any kind of weird overlay browser as they all look like malware peddling sites to be honest.
Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#271 - 2016-06-22 06:37:35 UTC
1. You need the tools you can access through the IGB, so removing it you remove some functionality from EVE!
2. Why not simply make the browser selectable by the the user but keep the window management etc. in EVE. Add some skins for the popular browser and everyone can set up his favorite browser to work as the IGB.

Overlays may work or not but they add another layer to handle for new players. CCP should work on INTEGRATING other tools INTO EVE and not add layer upon layer on top of EVE.
Why not make a universal way to access things like dotlan or EFT from within EVE? Maybe through the browser, which one it the choice of the player, and a link? Add some requirements for the design to it so that EFT looks like it's part of EVE.

Take a look at this list of tools more or less needed for EVE:
EFT
Pirats little helper/Tripwire
dotlan
skillplaner
TS3 / mumble
and now some overlay
insert x tools that I missed P

You want more immersion into the game and add 3rd party tools to it?????? Start integrating things not cutting things out.
There are no reasons why you have to use external tools to access things like dotlan or EFT. I'm sure the developer would be happy if they could integrate at least a link in EVE so you can acess dotlan as quickly as the ingame map. Or you choose EFT over the fitting screen. That would ADD functionality to EVE and not cut something out.

I can understand the reason for removing the IGB but search for a adequate replacement and Crest does not work because it offers no way to view the datas.
Blackstorms
Misfits of the Unknown
Sigma Grindset
#272 - 2016-06-22 09:39:58 UTC
As a player I'm actually pretty bummed that the IGB is being removed. It's a great tool and most importantly, it's fast and convenient, which allows a more immersive and enjoyable experience while playing the game. Perhaps one of the overlays can be a suitable replacement but honestly alt-tabbing and even a second monitor are inferior to using the IGB. There are times and places where you have to be constantly aware of what's going on around you and being able to pull up the IGB while keeping an eye on local or that gate can mean the difference between winning and dying. Moreover, the browser and the Eve related websites become part of the game.

The IGB was never presented as or operated as a fully functional modern browser. I think that it's great at its role and if people can understand and accept that it's intended for a limited range of use related to game play, then there will be no complaining about missing features. I remember when the IGB was released and people complained that it didn't support Flash. So while I have never watched a YouTube video on the IGB, I have over the course of my career used it to:

a) Look up game information and ship fittings when I was a noob at E-Uni
b) Look up the wormhole system I was in and w-space info in general when I blundered in there as a noob by accident
c) Used it in null sec to pull up maps so I could navigate the jump bridges and get around
d) Used it in null during long tower shoots to keep my sanity
e) Used it in pvp and gate camps to pass along target k-boards, k-mails in general, evewho info, amusing gifs, and more
f) Look up market information when I was either shopping or selling something
g) Went to the Eve Online store and bought merchandise ;)

The list probably goes on, but nope, I never watched one YouTube video. I have no complaints about that either. The bottom line is that IGB is fast and efficient in a pvp environment; alt-tabbing will eventually kill you and a second monitor still requires you to take your eyes off of the screen. In other areas of the game it is still incredibly convenient and allowing you to access information from inside the client allows a longer and more consistent Eve experience if not a more immersive one.

I really think you should re-examine the position that the IGB is an optional piece of the UI that can be simply discarded "to make Eve more awesome". You know what's awesome in Eve? The ability to open up a browser inside the game and use it as you're playing. No, really. It's actually an awesome thing. I say this with complete seriousness -- you guys could've charged for having access to the IGB as a addon to the game client and people, myself included would've happily handed over money for it. If you guys said that you're dropping the free IGB but now there will be a reasonably priced and supported paid version instead, there are many Eve players who would go for it. Look at the ridiculously priced stuff in this game that people spend their money on; it's not hard to imagine that people would buy something they found useful and/or aided their gameplay. I think you should look at the IGB as an asset and not a liability.
Astevon
Utama Incorporated
Astral Alliance
#273 - 2016-06-22 09:52:47 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Sheeana Harb wrote:
I will be very frank here:

The (upcoming) removal of the IGB will make my ingame experience considerably less enjoyable. I use it quite often while in nullsec. Neither of the alternatives suggested in the devblog are good enough.

I'm very unhappy that the IGB is going away.


This food sucks.

VS

Any chance I could get this food without the nuts? I am actually allergic to them. :)

Once of those statements is useful the other is not. Care to take a guess which is yours?

"Your post sucks."

VS

"Any chance you could elaborate on how this change affects you? This could be useful to us. :)"

Previous Main: Astecus | Creator of the Anti-ganking channel, Anti-ganking.net and AstralServices.net

Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#274 - 2016-06-22 10:06:54 UTC
purebegoid wrote:
In the dev blog it says:

Quote:
Again however we must advise against using the IGB if you can do so. The only reason that we are not removing the IGB with the release tomorrow is to give all those developers who have tools created that utilize it time to move their projects over to an external browser.



Quote:
Again however we must advise against using the IGB if you can do so.


What again? There is no mentioning of not using the in game browser in the dev blog up until that point.

To me that reads like the initial draft of the blog had some mentioning of why not to use the in game browser but has since been removed in later drafts before posting. This whole thing stinks of a cover up. What are you not telling us CCP? Why are you censoring your dev blogs? Why are you FORCING us to out of game browsers to look at fleet porn? Now we have to remember to clear cache and cookies god damn it.



HAVE NO FEAR Private Browsing is here!
Corporal punishment, major damage and general mayhem may also be present.

( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EPz-q_gT5A )
Drabbin Mishi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#275 - 2016-06-22 12:13:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Drabbin Mishi
Sustrai Aditua wrote:
Drabbin Mishi wrote:
Sorry if this has been asked, but how do I cause EVE to send my links to the Overwolf client (which is working great for TS3), instead of my desktop Firefox?
Short answer? You don't. You might try dragging them into the notepad if your new browser can pick them up from that.. I just downloaded that thing. I'm not sure I trust those people, though. They look like your typical
deluge with clicktraps folks.


I thought that I had had this working in the past.
But I guess that whatever the EVE client just did to prevent the IGB and force an external one, is also making it bypass the Overwolf browser.

Because Overwolf has a setting titled "Use the Overwolf Browser to open links", and that is checked, but is not catching the links.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#276 - 2016-06-22 13:06:07 UTC
Something which I've had pointed out to me, which may be of use for mac users:

http://heliumfloats.com/

Floating browser window, with customizable translucency, and it doesn't intercept clicks through it (when translucent)

I'm not a mac user, but it may be of interest to people.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#277 - 2016-06-22 13:35:31 UTC
Sustrai Aditua wrote:
Like Meatloaf said, "Two outta three ain't bad." Wayttaminnit...Meatloaf SUCKS!


Shut your mouth. Everyone loves Meatloaf.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Cherubael DemonPrince
Regicide and Sororitas
#278 - 2016-06-22 13:39:00 UTC
This what happens when u take more PMs and less Programmers...
Tass Caffington
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#279 - 2016-06-22 15:02:45 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Something which I've had pointed out to me, which may be of use for mac users:

http://heliumfloats.com/

Floating browser window, with customizable translucency, and it doesn't intercept clicks through it (when translucent)

I'm not a mac user, but it may be of interest to people.



Tested it. It minimises the eve client when eve runs in fullscreen.
Thus, it's better to use the default browser. Helium is no alternative
when running eve at fullscreen.

but thanks for the suggestion!

o7

WiNGSPAN Delivery Services

"We're not happy until you're content!"

Ageanal Olerie
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#280 - 2016-06-22 16:30:39 UTC

Has anyone found an overlay that doesn't have serious drawbacks compared to the gimpy but still enormously useful IGB ?

If this doesn't exist, then what's wrong with just keeping the IGB for those of us who find it quite useful on a daily basis?

You could hide it from the NeoCom for new & existing players if you think the IGB is some kind of embarrassment, and put a check box to use the IGB in the Options screen under "Old Unsupported Features".

So if people decide themselves to turn it on and use it, they know what they see is what they get and presumably won't send any (or send much fewer) support requests regarding it.