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Update to EVE Launcher GUI v. 1.968

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Random User83
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#81 - 2016-06-22 08:49:48 UTC
fan-F*****G-tastic

now i get to relog in all 13 accounts, redo the overviews for 13 F*****G accounts. Reduce the graphics on 12 stupid alts, uncheck camera shake on 13 damn accounts. Thanks.

The least you could do is have a quick backup and restore account settings, but that's a mess too. Yes I know how to go into the eve files and make copies of account info, but i don't know how to work them into this new launcher's database. I have an old .bin file that used to backup my overview/account settings but that no longer works. so how bout it. the next time you release another update to the launcher that WIPES OUT HOURS OF TEDIOUS POINTLESS WORK, how about you have a migrate old overview settings to new launcher button. because that little settings button by each new login thing? it didn't bring back S**T from the old accounts...

I'm a strong independant alt that don't need no main...

Skipper Riddles
Ivory Vanguard
#82 - 2016-06-22 09:42:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Skipper Riddles
Random User83 wrote:
fan-F*****G-tastic

now i get to relog in all 13 accounts, redo the overviews for 13 F*****G accounts. Reduce the graphics on 12 stupid alts, uncheck camera shake on 13 damn accounts. Thanks.

The least you could do is have a quick backup and restore account settings, but that's a mess too. Yes I know how to go into the eve files and make copies of account info, but i don't know how to work them into this new launcher's database. I have an old .bin file that used to backup my overview/account settings but that no longer works. so how bout it. the next time you release another update to the launcher that WIPES OUT HOURS OF TEDIOUS POINTLESS WORK, how about you have a migrate old overview settings to new launcher button. because that little settings button by each new login thing? it didn't bring back S**T from the old accounts...


I feel for you.

What I do not understand is how this causes issues for some users and not for others. When I retyped in my user names and passwords. that was that. POOF! all done. All my previous setting were right on target. Just the way they were left before the update. I have several different profiles for my(more than 1) accounts. 1 screen profiles 2 screen profiles and 3 screen profiles. some for PvP some for mining, etc.

I don't get it. Isn't all the data stored the same on everyone's systems? Wouldn't the conversion offer the same results on everyone's systems? This whole launcher thing just completely blows my f'n mind.
Skipper Riddles
Ivory Vanguard
#83 - 2016-06-22 09:44:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Skipper Riddles
Skipper Riddles wrote:
[quote=Random User83]fan-F*****G-tastic

now i get to relog in all 13 accounts, redo the overviews for 13 F*****G accounts. Reduce the graphics on 12 stupid alts, uncheck camera shake on 13 damn accounts. Thanks.

The least you could do is have a quick backup and restore account settings, but that's a mess too. Yes I know how to go into the eve files and make copies of account info, but i don't know how to work them into this new launcher's database. I have an old .bin file that used to backup my overview/account settings but that no longer works. so how bout it. the next time you release another update to the launcher that WIPES OUT HOURS OF TEDIOUS POINTLESS WORK, how about you have a migrate old overview settings to new launcher button. because that little settings button by each new login thing? it didn't bring back S**T from the old accounts...


I feel for you.

What I do not understand is how this causes issues for some users and not for others. When I retyped in my user names and passwords. that was that. POOF! all done. All my previous setting were right on target. Just the way they were left before the update. I have several different profiles for my(more than 1) accounts. 1 screen profiles 2 screen profiles and 3 screen profiles. some for PvP some for mining, etc.

I don't get it. Isn't all the data stored the same on everyone's systems? Wouldn't the conversion offer the same results on everyone's systems? This whole launcher thing just completely blows my f'n mind.

My initial instinct is telling me several people did not bother to completely understand the original import action and/or never bothered to use the feature when they first started to use the launcher.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#84 - 2016-06-22 09:47:19 UTC
I suspect it is due to WIndows user permissions. I have all EVE directories outside of Program Files (C:\EVE\) just so the OS gets less nervous about changes. I also do everything as administrator of course.

My suggestion for anyone with recurring launcher problems is installing outside of Program Files and using the built-in Administrator account to do it.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/555910

I also suggest deactivating the built-in admin account after using it to install the launcher.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#85 - 2016-06-22 09:50:12 UTC
The difference is the built-in administrator account which you activate in the above steps is elevated above UAC. The administrator account created during Windows setup is an administrator account in name but unelevated.
Skipper Riddles
Ivory Vanguard
#86 - 2016-06-22 09:52:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Skipper Riddles
Rain6637 wrote:
I suspect it is due to WIndows user permissions. I have all EVE directories outside of Program Files (C:\EVE\) just so the OS gets less nervous about changes. I also do everything as administrator of course.

My suggestion for anyone with recurring launcher problems is installing outside of Program Files and using the built-in Administrator account to do it.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/555910

I also suggest deactivating the built-in admin account after using it to install the launcher.


my system runs on the admin account. all my eve data is strictly default. my system doesn't get nervous, it is a machine.

All I know other than that, is my update could not have been smoother. THANK GOD (or who ever)

but I don't know why my last post doubled up during an edit...

OH! and Windows Vista sucks more than anything else on this planet that ever sucked even for a living.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#87 - 2016-06-22 09:55:44 UTC
There is a difference despite the account type being called "administrator." The admin account you create when you setup windows is bound by UAC. The built-in administrator account (which you have to manually activate in the command window) is elevated above UAC and therefore not bound by it.
Top Yourself
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2016-06-22 10:06:24 UTC
Just a point of view that you may be overlooking:

Changes like this antagonise the autistic members of your playerbase.

Change causes agitation, anxiety and fatigue. If it is a necessary change and is implemented well, then the end may justify the means. If it is a conceptually unsound change or is implemented incompetently, then the means merely justifies the end.

Cluttering the game with unnecessary sensory information causes agitation, anxiety and fatigue. Camera shakes, tracking cameras, focus changes, jump animations and other intrusive effects and poorly conceived UI features all cause sensory overload. Sensory overload causes people to put down your game.

Allowing players to easily deactivate the features that cause sensory overload is essential. Reactivating those features arbitrarily, as you have done here, is unsound. Expecting autistic people, who you have just injured through inattention, to fix your mistakes for you leads to resentment. Resentment leads to unsubbing.
Skipper Riddles
Ivory Vanguard
#89 - 2016-06-22 10:22:17 UTC
Top Yourself wrote:
Just a point of view that you may be overlooking:

Changes like this antagonise the autistic members of your playerbase.

Change causes agitation, anxiety and fatigue. If it is a necessary change and is implemented well, then the end may justify the means. If it is a conceptually unsound change or is implemented incompetently, then the means merely justifies the end.

Cluttering the game with unnecessary sensory information causes agitation, anxiety and fatigue. Camera shakes, tracking cameras, focus changes, jump animations and other intrusive effects and poorly conceived UI features all cause sensory overload. Sensory overload causes people to put down your game.

Allowing players to easily deactivate the features that cause sensory overload is essential. Reactivating those features arbitrarily, as you have done here, is unsound. Expecting autistic people, who you have just injured through inattention, to fix your mistakes for you leads to resentment. Resentment leads to unsubbing.


WOW!

I really want to say;"nicely put" I just don't know if I should. lol well done.
Skipper Riddles
Ivory Vanguard
#90 - 2016-06-22 10:25:13 UTC
Aaron Eyrou wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
good lord you made all 10 fit http://i.imgur.com/tDzoW6r.png

The dumbest thing is I've seen that little layout icon and didn't think anything of it


You can also make the launcher window the size of your screen if wanted by dragging the sides like any other window. Which should allow more than ten accounts. If you had a 4k screen that could be a lot.


Dragging to resize - simplify that by just double clicking the title bar. One dbl click and poof the launcher is full screen.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2016-06-22 10:25:35 UTC
Ok, normally I love the work you guys do, but since this update, my PC flat refuses to load more than two clients, and loading the second one takes about two minutes, where it used to take about 30 seconds. I gotta ask, what did you guys change because it's not happy about something.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno

Skipper Riddles
Ivory Vanguard
#92 - 2016-06-22 10:28:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Skipper Riddles
Elenahina wrote:
Ok, normally I love the work you guys do, but since this update, my PC flat refuses to load more than two clients, and loading the second one takes about two minutes, where it used to take about 30 seconds. I gotta ask, what did you guys change because it's not happy about something.



Here is an idea. try opening the settings on the left side of the window. Select launch options and set the time you want it to take to launch the next instance. Mine is 5 seconds.
Top Yourself
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2016-06-22 11:32:16 UTC
Skipper Riddles wrote:
WOW!

I really want to say;"nicely put" I just don't know if I should. lol well done.

I am autistic, if that helps. I therefore know of what I speak and have no intention of being derogatory towards autistic people.

I started playing this game because it was very autistic friendly. I learned to switch off the sound and most of the effects, because they only make the game less pleasant for me due to sensory overload. More sensory information is generally bad, but some types of sound or light effects are particularly unpleasant and these were heavily featured in both the sound and visual effects.

Over the years the game has become increasing unpleasant. The tracking camera is mostly intolerable to me, as is the map (both old and new), the new UI, jump animations, session change artifacts, notification displays and of course the new dailies.

I don't expect the game to be designed with an autism first perspective, but I feel it would also be wrong of me not to point out why so many autistic people have left the game or are currently considering doing so.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#94 - 2016-06-22 11:48:19 UTC
Skipper Riddles wrote:
Aaron Eyrou wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
good lord you made all 10 fit http://i.imgur.com/tDzoW6r.png

The dumbest thing is I've seen that little layout icon and didn't think anything of it


You can also make the launcher window the size of your screen if wanted by dragging the sides like any other window. Which should allow more than ten accounts. If you had a 4k screen that could be a lot.


Dragging to resize - simplify that by just double clicking the title bar. One dbl click and poof the launcher is full screen.

The function of the launcher is about as important as a widget, and if it wasn't for the advertisements and announcements piggybacked onto it, It could be the size of an instant messenger window while doing what I needed. It's already bloated and suggesting it as a fullscreen application is airheaded.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2016-06-22 13:15:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Elenahina
Skipper Riddles wrote:
Elenahina wrote:
Ok, normally I love the work you guys do, but since this update, my PC flat refuses to load more than two clients, and loading the second one takes about two minutes, where it used to take about 30 seconds. I gotta ask, what did you guys change because it's not happy about something.



Here is an idea. try opening the settings on the left side of the window. Select launch options and set the time you want it to take to launch the next instance. Mine is 5 seconds.


I've adjusted it to 10. There's really no noticeable change.

One thing I have noticed is that with two clients and the launcher running, I'm hitting about 80% processor utilization across all 6 cores.

Closing the launcher once the clients finally open drops that back to about 30%
So WTF is the launcher doing when it isn't launching that requires it to chew up that much processing power?

Edit: As an aside, I just tried using the exefile to load Eve without the launcher, and it yields my old performance expectations with the launcher running, so there's def something in the launcher that's chewing up resources and hindering performance.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno

Aaron Eyrou
Cannon Ball In The Pool
#96 - 2016-06-22 19:14:05 UTC
Skipper Riddles wrote:
Skipper Riddles wrote:
[quote=Random User83]fan-F*****G-tastic

now i get to relog in all 13 accounts, redo the overviews for 13 F*****G accounts. Reduce the graphics on 12 stupid alts, uncheck camera shake on 13 damn accounts. Thanks.

The least you could do is have a quick backup and restore account settings, but that's a mess too. Yes I know how to go into the eve files and make copies of account info, but i don't know how to work them into this new launcher's database. I have an old .bin file that used to backup my overview/account settings but that no longer works. so how bout it. the next time you release another update to the launcher that WIPES OUT HOURS OF TEDIOUS POINTLESS WORK, how about you have a migrate old overview settings to new launcher button. because that little settings button by each new login thing? it didn't bring back S**T from the old accounts...


I feel for you.

What I do not understand is how this causes issues for some users and not for others. When I retyped in my user names and passwords. that was that. POOF! all done. All my previous setting were right on target. Just the way they were left before the update. I have several different profiles for my(more than 1) accounts. 1 screen profiles 2 screen profiles and 3 screen profiles. some for PvP some for mining, etc.

I don't get it. Isn't all the data stored the same on everyone's systems? Wouldn't the conversion offer the same results on everyone's systems? This whole launcher thing just completely blows my f'n mind.

My initial instinct is telling me several people did not bother to completely understand the original import action and/or never bothered to use the feature when they first started to use the launcher.


Same for me entering the user name and password was a copy/paste effort. All my settings just the way I left them.
I'm still using windows 7. Imported my settings from old launcher about two months ago. And have been enjoying the new launcher since.
For me this is the 1st time in the past year that CCP got something right. But I'm still thinking about quitting since I can't stand the new camera. The new launcher improves on what already worked the new camera destroyed it and took a step backwards. One right does not fix all the wrongs.
Red Hawk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2016-06-22 19:40:42 UTC
Ive always bypassed the launcher using the exefile.exe because I use Isboxer to quickly switch between accounts. but now that executable doesnt even work ?

Can we get a option to bypass launcher again and or not to use it. I dont care about logging in each account... at least the game works.

I run 5 accounts on 2 monitors where I can see and hear everything thats going on...check that I used to be able to.

Hell easy fix... just fix the exefile.exe
Oxigun
Halliburton Heavy Industries
#98 - 2016-06-22 20:48:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Oxigun
Hello, my name is Oxigun and I am an Eve multiboxer...

I am a fan of progress and process improvement. I see the new launcher as an attempt to help the game and while I have been bypassing it for several years now, it's time to start using it (or so it would appear).

I have several configurations, ranging from 3 to >10 Eve clients running at the same time. Each configuration uses a different client window size and different settings (e.g. low vs high graphics settings). While i have been able to move those settings to the new launcher, I have not found a way to multi-launch those clients I need with the settings I need for each one, other than to manually do it which is ofc a giant pain.

Please consider allowing us to create automated multi-launch setups that we can save with the launcher: e.g. "Launch the cyno chain toons" or "Launch the mining armada". This is essentially what isboxer does for us, along with arranging the windows in a nice layout.

Looking forward to the next iteration, happy to provide more information as needed.

PS: Is there a way for me to replicate the saved account information across computers? I would love to be able to do that rather than have to re-log each one of my accounts between computers...
Skipper Riddles
Ivory Vanguard
#99 - 2016-06-22 22:57:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Skipper Riddles
Elenahina wrote:
Skipper Riddles wrote:
Elenahina wrote:
Ok, normally I love the work you guys do, but since this update, my PC flat refuses to load more than two clients, and loading the second one takes about two minutes, where it used to take about 30 seconds. I gotta ask, what did you guys change because it's not happy about something.



Here is an idea. try opening the settings on the left side of the window. Select launch options and set the time you want it to take to launch the next instance. Mine is 5 seconds.


I've adjusted it to 10. There's really no noticeable change.

One thing I have noticed is that with two clients and the launcher running, I'm hitting about 80% processor utilization across all 6 cores.

Closing the launcher once the clients finally open drops that back to about 30%
So WTF is the launcher doing when it isn't launching that requires it to chew up that much processing power?

Edit: As an aside, I just tried using the exefile to load Eve without the launcher, and it yields my old performance expectations with the launcher running, so there's def something in the launcher that's chewing up resources and hindering performance.


Could it be spying?
Download on demand?
Just askin'
Skipper Riddles
Ivory Vanguard
#100 - 2016-06-22 23:17:39 UTC
Red Hawk wrote:
Ive always bypassed the launcher using the exefile.exe because I use Isboxer to quickly switch between accounts. but now that executable doesnt even work ?

Can we get a option to bypass launcher again and or not to use it. I dont care about logging in each account... at least the game works.

I run 5 accounts on 2 monitors where I can see and hear everything thats going on...check that I used to be able to.

Hell easy fix... just fix the exefile.exe


Wow, just tried it myself. You're right. I get an incompatible version message.