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Death of the traitor Eran Mintor
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#21 - 2011-12-20 13:06:20 UTC
Well done, Anya, well done.
You have shown to all of us the true form of minmatars.
Even myself thought about minmatars as warriors who are just misled and manipulated by filthy gallentean overlords.
But you displayed a pinnacle of backstabbing: you are not warriors, but a mere assassins.
You have inspired hearts of loyal amarrians with hate against your kin, against YOU.
You made a martyr for the Amarr Empire, a hero whose name was Eran Mintor.
You will hear his name when capital fleets will hold your ships docked.
You will hear his name when your gatecamps will scatter in fear.
You will hear his name when burning remains of your fleets will be falling into atmosphere of your homeworlds.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Mikkel Lybecker
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2011-12-20 13:17:04 UTC
Did you know an anagram of "Eran Mintor" is "Mine Or Rant"? Just putting that out there.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#23 - 2011-12-20 13:30:09 UTC

Good news if true. I remain wary. Have seen from personal experience how it is possible to return from "irrevocable death". The nature of the infomorph is information and information is next to impossible to contain. I have seen a lover regrown from a scattering of subatomic particles trace genetic material and quantum-entangled info gleam smaller than a pinhead.

I suspect the real Eran Mintor has merely adopted another face and personality and will emerge in time as the controlling intellect behind agendas placed into his new organization (whatever that might be).

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Mikkel Lybecker
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2011-12-20 13:43:34 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:

I suspect the real Eran Mintor has merely adopted another face and personality and will emerge in time as the controlling intellect behind agendas placed into his new organization (whatever that might be).


That theory's so bleak and turgid that I'm impressed. I aspire to such levels of irrational paranoia and cynicism. I bow before the master.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#25 - 2011-12-20 14:03:05 UTC
Mikkel Lybecker wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

I suspect the real Eran Mintor has merely adopted another face and personality and will emerge in time as the controlling intellect behind agendas placed into his new organization (whatever that might be).


That theory's so bleak and turgid that I'm impressed. I aspire to such levels of irrational paranoia and cynicism. I bow before the master.



Hi Eran.































/joking.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Mikkel Lybecker
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2011-12-20 14:06:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Mikkel Lybecker
Damn, that made me jump. I so just nearly unplugged my implants to resterilise them. You know, just in case one of Eran's pin-sized molecules got in or whatever.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#27 - 2011-12-20 14:09:31 UTC
Mikkel Lybecker wrote:
Damn, that made me jump. I so just nearly unplugged my implants to resterilise them. You know, just in case one of Eran's pin-sized molecules got in or whatever.


It does take a bit of 3rd party effort to rebuild the personality from subatomic particles and entangled info strains you know ... I'm not saying he's some kind of zombie dust Cool

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Mikkel Lybecker
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2011-12-20 14:14:30 UTC
Well, to be honest, if he was it wouldn't be that much of a change...
Aphoxema G
Khushakor Clan
#29 - 2011-12-20 14:53:56 UTC
I don't judge an apostate any more harshly than I do anyone else I want to murder. People are fragile, sometimes we really don't know who we are until we make mistakes, or are forced to see something we tried to ignore.

Maybe I only say that in hopes that people might ignore that I've already once betrayed my own people, and then the Amarr. Neither time did I break my loyalty; it wasn't until recently I even felt a sense of loyalty.

If that's not enough, then I hope it is some excuse that both times I defected because of a girl.
Matariki Rain
Icecream Audit Office
#30 - 2011-12-20 15:31:56 UTC
I sing the death of Eran
born Bastor
made Mintor
raised to praise one god.

Hero of Ezzara
leader of his people
who ascended the heights
and leapt...
falling to the depths.

Kin-traitor
who lost knowledge of his ancestors
leading armies against his own people.

The imprint of his spirit
remains with many:
a man of passions
the bitter taste of treason.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#31 - 2011-12-20 16:20:10 UTC
Anya Sulii wrote:
Shoot an ordinary man in the head and the matter is settled. With a capsuleer you must not only destroy his 'working body' but jam the death transmission to the cloning facility


You only have to worry about 'death transmission' when a capsuleer is 'plugged in' to his pod. Outside of that specific senario we die just like everyone else.

Although no harm in being thorough, perhaps.

Universities these days...

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Shalee Lianne
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#32 - 2011-12-20 16:33:16 UTC
You people are heartless fools. You should know that I, the one who stole your glorious general, your Hero of Ezzara, the one who took him from your cause and brought him to his knees before God will bring him back.

http://amarrian.blogspot.com/  ~ Roleplay blog. http://sovereigntywars.wordpress.com/ ~ Faction War blog.
Aphoxema G
Khushakor Clan
#33 - 2011-12-20 16:33:38 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Anya Sulii wrote:
Shoot an ordinary man in the head and the matter is settled. With a capsuleer you must not only destroy his 'working body' but jam the death transmission to the cloning facility


You only have to worry about 'death transmission' when a capsuleer is 'plugged in' to his pod. Outside of that specific senario we die just like everyone else.

Although no harm in being thorough, perhaps.

Universities these days...



The only thing restricting multiple, active clones is the law. I see a potential loophole in allowing dormant clones to be reactivated should an event like this occur. With how much is invested into capsuleers, I see that becoming a regular practice inevitable. Our potential is staggering; never before was it possible to reasonably depend on an individual for so many different things, work to teach them so much and accept death was no longer an issue.

We're not invincible, but our power gives our investors a lot of incentive to try to make us to be.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#34 - 2011-12-20 17:04:34 UTC
Aphoxema G wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Anya Sulii wrote:
Shoot an ordinary man in the head and the matter is settled. With a capsuleer you must not only destroy his 'working body' but jam the death transmission to the cloning facility


You only have to worry about 'death transmission' when a capsuleer is 'plugged in' to his pod. Outside of that specific senario we die just like everyone else.

Although no harm in being thorough, perhaps.

Universities these days...



The only thing restricting multiple, active clones is the law. I see a potential loophole in allowing dormant clones to be reactivated should an event like this occur. With how much is invested into capsuleers, I see that becoming a regular practice inevitable. Our potential is staggering; never before was it possible to reasonably depend on an individual for so many different things, work to teach them so much and accept death was no longer an issue.

We're not invincible, but our power gives our investors a lot of incentive to try to make us to be.


Example?

Unless you have access to some highly advanced new technology we are unaware of... currently the very act of scanning a capsuleer's consciousness destroys the brain. The 'flash' brain scan is automatically activated when your pod hull is breached, killing the clone body in order to scan and transmit to a waiting clone. As yet there are no individual, portable sized versions of this technology. Rumors are rumors until seen and verified in the field.

This is straying off topic however. Mintor is dead.




Sabik now, Sabik forever
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#35 - 2011-12-20 17:15:24 UTC
Shalee Lianne wrote:
You people are heartless fools. You should know that I, the one who stole your glorious general, your Hero of Ezzara, the one who took him from your cause and brought him to his knees before God will bring him back.



You might have tugged at his heartstrings, but I'm pretty sure you can't make a dead heart beat again.

That said, my sympathies for your personal loss Lianne.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Aphoxema G
Khushakor Clan
#36 - 2011-12-20 17:26:48 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Unless you have access to some highly advanced new technology we are unaware of... currently the very act of scanning a capsuleer's consciousness destroys the brain. The 'flash' brain scan is automatically activated when your pod hull is breached, killing the clone body in order to scan and transmit to a waiting clone. As yet there are no individual, portable sized versions of this technology. Rumors are rumors until seen and verified in the field.


Such a smart woman as yourself would realize that obviously, though the original body is destroyed, what follows is purely data that can just as easily be delivered to any number of waiting clones.

Don't think yourself so clever that you can inform me on a device I've had the pleasure of using nearly a hundred times now.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#37 - 2011-12-20 17:32:01 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Shalee Lianne wrote:
You people are heartless fools. You should know that I, the one who stole your glorious general, your Hero of Ezzara, the one who took him from your cause and brought him to his knees before God will bring him back.



You might have tugged at his heartstrings, but I'm pretty sure you can't make a dead heart beat again.

That said, my sympathies for your personal loss Lianne.



If she has a couple of fingernail clippings and a speck of quantum storage housing a mindstate backup then she certainly can bring him back.

Death isn't what it used to be.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#38 - 2011-12-20 17:34:13 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Aphoxema G wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Anya Sulii wrote:
Shoot an ordinary man in the head and the matter is settled. With a capsuleer you must not only destroy his 'working body' but jam the death transmission to the cloning facility


You only have to worry about 'death transmission' when a capsuleer is 'plugged in' to his pod. Outside of that specific senario we die just like everyone else.

Although no harm in being thorough, perhaps.

Universities these days...



The only thing restricting multiple, active clones is the law. I see a potential loophole in allowing dormant clones to be reactivated should an event like this occur. With how much is invested into capsuleers, I see that becoming a regular practice inevitable. Our potential is staggering; never before was it possible to reasonably depend on an individual for so many different things, work to teach them so much and accept death was no longer an issue.

We're not invincible, but our power gives our investors a lot of incentive to try to make us to be.


Example?

Unless you have access to some highly advanced new technology we are unaware of... currently the very act of scanning a capsuleer's consciousness destroys the brain. The 'flash' brain scan is automatically activated when your pod hull is breached, killing the clone body in order to scan and transmit to a waiting clone. As yet there are no individual, portable sized versions of this technology. Rumors are rumors until seen and verified in the field.

This is straying off topic however. Mintor is dead.







Sorry to correct you on this technical point ms Vitalia but the technology to create multiple mindstate backups independent of burning scanner "just in time" application has existed in the capsuleer community for almost five years now.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Aphoxema G
Khushakor Clan
#39 - 2011-12-20 17:34:52 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
[...] Death isn't what it used to be.


I just wish I could figure out what it is now...
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2011-12-20 17:48:16 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Well done, Anya, well done.
You have shown to all of us the true form of minmatars.
Even myself thought about minmatars as warriors who are just misled and manipulated by filthy gallentean overlords.
But you displayed a pinnacle of backstabbing: you are not warriors, but a mere assassins.
You have inspired hearts of loyal amarrians with hate against your kin, against YOU.
You made a martyr for the Amarr Empire, a hero whose name was Eran Mintor.
You will hear his name when capital fleets will hold your ships docked.
You will hear his name when your gatecamps will scatter in fear.
You will hear his name when burning remains of your fleets will be falling into atmosphere of your homeworlds.


It is amazing how you've managed to outdo even the Amarrians themselves at the not-so-fine art of completely losing your temper and talking a lot while saying nothing.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.