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Who is the Best high sec merc group to have ever existed!
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#121 - 2016-06-23 11:36:07 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
He could automatically start a war just by typing "Hello there op" in the forums.

It was pretty funny seeing someone get war dec'd by Cannibal Kane in a thread.

The schadenfreude, welp there goes your highsec gameplay little buddy.

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Rawmeat Mary
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#122 - 2016-06-23 11:45:34 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
He could automatically start a war just by typing "Hello there op" in the forums.

Cannibal Kane once wardecced Chuck Norris...

'If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skins onto their clothing. And if we're very, very lucky, they'll do it in that order.'

Yeah, we're like that.
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#123 - 2016-06-23 13:09:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Tora Bushido
jack1974 wrote:
This is much different than highsec.
I agree. You follow the Fc's instructions, look at the targets broadcasted, lock and fire (if you're on time). Much different than when you're in a small fleet where you need to think for yourself. If you have a smart FC in 00 and you have 100 noobs who follow instruction, you can stil be awesome. If you have one noob in a highsec small fleet, you could be ******.

shadowtk richmond wrote:
i shall only name 2 that i enjoyed flying against ...BAW and POH .... They made us think more tactically about killing them
What he said, but then "enjoyed", cuz I like(d) their way of flying, but it was hard to fight. Big smile

Rain6637 wrote:
Is it too late for me to cast my vote for Cannibal Kane as the best high sec merc group to have ever existed

You all forget so soon
Kane isnt a merc. He is like Concord. If you see them, you're dead Twisted

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Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#124 - 2016-06-23 13:42:25 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
I agree. You follow the Fc's instructions, look at the targets broadcasted, lock and fire (if you're on time). Much different than when you're in a small fleet where you need to think for yourself. If you have a smart FC in 00 and you have 100 noobs who follow instruction, you can stil be awesome. If you have one noob in a highsec small fleet, you could be ******.


People actually believe this.

Yikes.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#125 - 2016-06-23 13:44:30 UTC
Sup Tora. Xolve.

Speaking of, I was also there in that fleet engagement linked in the picture and video. You're dealing with an alpha requirement due to logi and perhaps I didn't read close enough but frankly I don't get why 0.0 gameplay is being mentioned in a thread about high sec mercs. I feel like it's an attempt to steer the conversation into a direction the player understands or can talk about.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#126 - 2016-06-23 13:50:43 UTC
I gotta say I agree with Tora though. Doesn't matter if your fleet is skilled, you still need everyone to shoot the same thing at the same time. It's a bad example of what makes a group great according to individual skill and especially regarding high sec mercenaries it just muddies the conversation.

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Luukje
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#127 - 2016-06-25 11:38:40 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
I gotta say I agree with Tora though. Doesn't matter if your fleet is skilled, you still need everyone to shoot the same thing at the same time. It's a bad example of what makes a group great according to individual skill and especially regarding high sec mercenaries it just muddies the conversation.


this exactly.
Xolve doesnt seem to get how i find a 1v3 harder than a 100v300. the individual skill gets shown more in smaller skirmishes.
I've been there, and done that xolve. i've had massive brawls in wh's, kiting fights in null/low/wh/high stretching over 1000km. All of this is pointless as you cant seem to relate to high sec pvp. You're looking at it with ur pink nullsec goggles. Fact is, you probally havent been in any (decent) high sec pvp. The silly statement of nothing fights back is just as silly, as they do try to drop on me on a regular basis, i just pilot my way out of it.

you're 90% in massive gangs on ur kb; you could be the biggest noob and tag along f1'ing and you would still do fine as long as you anchor and follow broadcasts. i'm not saying youre a bad player; you're just in a totally different playstyle opposite me. I believe you aren't informed enough as to make statements to high sec pvp.
Crinnfika
Doomheim
#128 - 2016-06-25 23:00:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Crinnfika
Luukje wrote:

.....the individual skill.....


I'm still trying to figure out what the meaning of skill is in a game where killing consists of clicking on target and hitting the "shoot guns" button.

Eve is strategy/metagaming with a side of math, if you want to talk about skill you're playing the wrong genre.
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#129 - 2016-06-26 03:12:23 UTC
I dont know. When I think of PvP, I think of lowsec. I have seen some pretty killer fights flying with my corp, who are pretty good pvpers. I have learned quite a bit from them. I would not consider myself good in terms of lowsec pvp but I think I am decent at highsec pvp.

I refuse to engage in nullsec pvp. Getting a 1v1 or 1v2 can quickly turn to a 1v30 and get blapped. Where is the fun in that? I do watch quite a bit of solo nullsec pvp videos and to me it looks fun until the solo pvper is taking on 30+ in a Hyperion.

I was watching one guy in a Ferox take on these two or three guys on, killing them over and over (one even brought a Procurer to fight) until they wore him down and finally killed him. Now that would be fun as hell and would relish that fight. Then I saw another video where one guy took out a couple of pilots, and next thing he knew there was 25 of them on him with ECM and logi.

If any pvp is lame, its nullsec. But one day, I might just go ahead and scream 'BONZAI' and take a BS out to null just to get it blown up and see how many I can take with me. :)


Morgan o7

P.S. No offense Rain, you are still my bud.
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#130 - 2016-06-26 04:35:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
Luukje wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
I gotta say I agree with Tora though. Doesn't matter if your fleet is skilled, you still need everyone to shoot the same thing at the same time. It's a bad example of what makes a group great according to individual skill and especially regarding high sec mercenaries it just muddies the conversation.


this exactly.
Xolve doesnt seem to get how i find a 1v3 harder than a 100v300. the individual skill gets shown more in smaller skirmishes.
I've been there, and done that xolve. i've had massive brawls in wh's, kiting fights in null/low/wh/high stretching over 1000km. All of this is pointless as you cant seem to relate to high sec pvp. You're looking at it with ur pink nullsec goggles. Fact is, you probally havent been in any (decent) high sec pvp. The silly statement of nothing fights back is just as silly, as they do try to drop on me on a regular basis, i just pilot my way out of it.

you're 90% in massive gangs on ur kb; you could be the biggest noob and tag along f1'ing and you would still do fine as long as you anchor and follow broadcasts. i'm not saying youre a bad player; you're just in a totally different playstyle opposite me. I believe you aren't informed enough as to make statements to high sec pvp.


I enjoy micro-gang the most, but it's not always feasible when you're living in a system with 700 hostiles or when you're staying in sparsely populated areas of space. I've done everything except wormholes for years, because some how I've been rich enough to sustain myself without resorting to shooting little red boxy things, and to be perfectly honest, killing people and taking their stuff is more than enough income for me Pirate.

Funny you should mention KB stats, since most of your kills are either frigates dying to an insta-locking ship, shuttles/haulers of various sizes or mission-bear ships that while technically could fight back, they're not really much of a risk in your machariel are they?

As for high sec corps go- at one point I owned upwards of 30 pilots. I've been in The 0rphanage, Snatch Victory, The Dark Tribe, Devil's Warriors Alliance, We Form Voltron, Project Nemesis, Private Nuisance, OG Somali Coast Guard and served as a long time Red Federation FC in RvB. Hell at one point I was semi-notorious for war deccing EVE-Radio, just because some white knights said I wouldn't. I'm also 'that guy' that got banned from half a dozen RP channels (lol) because I was a director in a reddit based faction warfare corp that decided it would be more fun to shoot the friendly militia as well, and that the empress could go **** herself.

I don't think it's possible for you to be any more wrong, Mr. 2011. People don't join PL to be elite solo pvpers, they join to take hostile fleets to the own zone and actually use caps, black ops and other fun ships on the regular. How people outside of PL feel about that is something none of us are very concerned about.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#131 - 2016-06-26 05:07:13 UTC
Perhaps the topic of Best High Sec Merc Group is a matter of opinion. When it's so abstract that probably explains why it's so hard to define the answer using statistics or ISK figures. Perhaps the best indication is who people are afraid of. This is why I say Cannibal Kane because he was just one guy who commanded the recognition enjoyed by most merc corp or alliances.

Comparatively, why you would still try so hard to push the PL narrative in this thread is beyond me, since the number of people who say "Oh no it's PL the high sec merc group" is precisely 0

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Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#132 - 2016-06-26 05:49:40 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Perhaps the topic of Best High Sec Merc Group is a matter of opinion. When it's so abstract that probably explains why it's so hard to define the answer using statistics or ISK figures. Perhaps the best indication is who people are afraid of. This is why I say Cannibal Kane because he was just one guy who commanded the recognition enjoyed by most merc corp or alliances.


If you don't go to highsec, is there really anything to be afraid of?

PL came up because limiting 'who is the best mercenary alliance' to High Sec is stupid, especially in a forum that was once dedicated to low sec.
Sol epoch
HELVEGEN
#133 - 2016-06-26 08:28:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol epoch
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
I dont know. When I think of PvP, I think of lowsec. I have seen some pretty killer fights flying with my corp, who are pretty good pvpers. I have learned quite a bit from them. I would not consider myself good in terms of lowsec pvp but I think I am decent at highsec pvp.

I refuse to engage in nullsec pvp. Getting a 1v1 or 1v2 can quickly turn to a 1v30 and get blapped. Where is the fun in that? I do watch quite a bit of solo nullsec pvp videos and to me it looks fun until the solo pvper is taking on 30+ in a Hyperion.

I was watching one guy in a Ferox take on these two or three guys on, killing them over and over (one even brought a Procurer to fight) until they wore him down and finally killed him. Now that would be fun as hell and would relish that fight. Then I saw another video where one guy took out a couple of pilots, and next thing he knew there was 25 of them on him with ECM and logi.

If any pvp is lame, its nullsec. But one day, I might just go ahead and scream 'BONZAI' and take a BS out to null just to get it blown up and see how many I can take with me. :)


Morgan o7

P.S. No offense Rain, you are still my bud.



Screaming about a miniture tree will scare them for sure!

Even if what you meant was spelt wrong.
You Scare Me
Doomheim
#134 - 2016-06-26 09:07:39 UTC
Sol epoch wrote:
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
I dont know. When I think of PvP, I think of lowsec. I have seen some pretty killer fights flying with my corp, who are pretty good pvpers. I have learned quite a bit from them. I would not consider myself good in terms of lowsec pvp but I think I am decent at highsec pvp.

I refuse to engage in nullsec pvp. Getting a 1v1 or 1v2 can quickly turn to a 1v30 and get blapped. Where is the fun in that? I do watch quite a bit of solo nullsec pvp videos and to me it looks fun until the solo pvper is taking on 30+ in a Hyperion.

I was watching one guy in a Ferox take on these two or three guys on, killing them over and over (one even brought a Procurer to fight) until they wore him down and finally killed him. Now that would be fun as hell and would relish that fight. Then I saw another video where one guy took out a couple of pilots, and next thing he knew there was 25 of them on him with ECM and logi.

If any pvp is lame, its nullsec. But one day, I might just go ahead and scream 'BONZAI' and take a BS out to null just to get it blown up and see how many I can take with me. :)


Morgan o7

P.S. No offense Rain, you are still my bud.



Screaming about a miniture tree will scare them for sure!

Even if what you meant was spelt wrong.


I think you mean 'minature'.
Luukje
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#135 - 2016-06-26 09:27:06 UTC
Crinnfika wrote:
Luukje wrote:

.....the individual skill.....


I'm still trying to figure out what the meaning of skill is in a game where killing consists of clicking on target and hitting the "shoot guns" button.

Eve is strategy/metagaming with a side of math, if you want to talk about skill you're playing the wrong genre.


you don't know how to manually pilot a ship; or dont consider pilotting multiple accounts simultaneously as a 'skill'? Wether ur in low, null, wh or empire, all these things require skill. Even on the level of strategy differences in skill can be seen. That's why for instance complaints department gets rekt vs vmg; they have more pilots (people); can fly the same ships; they just lack the will/strategy to deal with us. That means we outskilled them?

Same goes for PL; they often fight outnumbered with quite big ratio's. If skill wasn't a factor, then they would get **** on every time.
dumdum
Luukje
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#136 - 2016-06-26 09:49:11 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Luukje wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
I gotta say I agree with Tora though. Doesn't matter if your fleet is skilled, you still need everyone to shoot the same thing at the same time. It's a bad example of what makes a group great according to individual skill and especially regarding high sec mercenaries it just muddies the conversation.


this exactly.
Xolve doesnt seem to get how i find a 1v3 harder than a 100v300. the individual skill gets shown more in smaller skirmishes.
I've been there, and done that xolve. i've had massive brawls in wh's, kiting fights in null/low/wh/high stretching over 1000km. All of this is pointless as you cant seem to relate to high sec pvp. You're looking at it with ur pink nullsec goggles. Fact is, you probally havent been in any (decent) high sec pvp. The silly statement of nothing fights back is just as silly, as they do try to drop on me on a regular basis, i just pilot my way out of it.

you're 90% in massive gangs on ur kb; you could be the biggest noob and tag along f1'ing and you would still do fine as long as you anchor and follow broadcasts. i'm not saying youre a bad player; you're just in a totally different playstyle opposite me. I believe you aren't informed enough as to make statements to high sec pvp.


I enjoy micro-gang the most, but it's not always feasible when you're living in a system with 700 hostiles or when you're staying in sparsely populated areas of space. I've done everything except wormholes for years, because some how I've been rich enough to sustain myself without resorting to shooting little red boxy things, and to be perfectly honest, killing people and taking their stuff is more than enough income for me Pirate.

Funny you should mention KB stats, since most of your kills are either frigates dying to an insta-locking ship, shuttles/haulers of various sizes or mission-bear ships that while technically could fight back, they're not really much of a risk in your machariel are they?

As for high sec corps go- at one point I owned upwards of 30 pilots. I've been in The 0rphanage, Snatch Victory, The Dark Tribe, Devil's Warriors Alliance, We Form Voltron, Project Nemesis, Private Nuisance, OG Somali Coast Guard and served as a long time Red Federation FC in RvB. Hell at one point I was semi-notorious for war deccing EVE-Radio, just because some white knights said I wouldn't. I'm also 'that guy' that got banned from half a dozen RP channels (lol) because I was a director in a reddit based faction warfare corp that decided it would be more fun to shoot the friendly militia as well, and that the empress could go **** herself.

I don't think it's possible for you to be any more wrong, Mr. 2011. People don't join PL to be elite solo pvpers, they join to take hostile fleets to the own zone and actually use caps, black ops and other fun ships on the regular. How people outside of PL feel about that is something none of us are very concerned about.


Ok, lol. let's go.

How is me hitting the weak/haulers/missionrunners/jf's for income different to your income in null hitting and looting bads there? That's right, it's not. You claim this as pvp, i see it as income. PvP means the target fights back, these said targets don't. YOU are claiming this is pvp for me, i'm saying it's income. I can mirror this directly to your income shooting bads in null; same ******* deal chump.

Instalocking frigates, shooting frigates/shuttles? lol. You didn't even bother to look at my killboard.

521 battleships killed
198 frigates killed
Hell; i've nearly killed more JF's than i've killed frigates xD let alone if you consider the amount of ejected jf's i stole.
Another claim laid to waste; lol.

I've never said anything regarding PL being solo pilots or bad; they operate on an entirely different field and playstyle. You can't compare PL to what we do, because the environment is completely different.

So to sum things up; Mr. Xolve, I don't think it's possible for you to be any more wrong. But please do try.
Luukje
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#137 - 2016-06-26 09:52:20 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Perhaps the topic of Best High Sec Merc Group is a matter of opinion. When it's so abstract that probably explains why it's so hard to define the answer using statistics or ISK figures. Perhaps the best indication is who people are afraid of. This is why I say Cannibal Kane because he was just one guy who commanded the recognition enjoyed by most merc corp or alliances.


If you don't go to highsec, is there really anything to be afraid of?

PL came up because limiting 'who is the best mercenary alliance' to High Sec is stupid, especially in a forum that was once dedicated to low sec.



Matter of opinion. Make a thread to include the other regions of new eden if you're so butthurt nobody is licking ur ego.
Sol epoch
HELVEGEN
#138 - 2016-06-26 11:02:35 UTC
You Scare Me wrote:
Sol epoch wrote:
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
I dont know. When I think of PvP, I think of lowsec. I have seen some pretty killer fights flying with my corp, who are pretty good pvpers. I have learned quite a bit from them. I would not consider myself good in terms of lowsec pvp but I think I am decent at highsec pvp.

I refuse to engage in nullsec pvp. Getting a 1v1 or 1v2 can quickly turn to a 1v30 and get blapped. Where is the fun in that? I do watch quite a bit of solo nullsec pvp videos and to me it looks fun until the solo pvper is taking on 30+ in a Hyperion.

I was watching one guy in a Ferox take on these two or three guys on, killing them over and over (one even brought a Procurer to fight) until they wore him down and finally killed him. Now that would be fun as hell and would relish that fight. Then I saw another video where one guy took out a couple of pilots, and next thing he knew there was 25 of them on him with ECM and logi.

If any pvp is lame, its nullsec. But one day, I might just go ahead and scream 'BONZAI' and take a BS out to null just to get it blown up and see how many I can take with me. :)


Morgan o7

P.S. No offense Rain, you are still my bud.



Screaming about a miniture tree will scare them for sure!

Even if what you meant was spelt wrong.


I think you mean 'minature'.


I actually meant miniature but the irony was lost on most!
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#139 - 2016-06-26 11:06:48 UTC
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#140 - 2016-06-26 11:09:51 UTC
Sol epoch wrote:
You Scare Me wrote:
Sol epoch wrote:
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
I dont know. When I think of PvP, I think of lowsec. I have seen some pretty killer fights flying with my corp, who are pretty good pvpers. I have learned quite a bit from them. I would not consider myself good in terms of lowsec pvp but I think I am decent at highsec pvp.

I refuse to engage in nullsec pvp. Getting a 1v1 or 1v2 can quickly turn to a 1v30 and get blapped. Where is the fun in that? I do watch quite a bit of solo nullsec pvp videos and to me it looks fun until the solo pvper is taking on 30+ in a Hyperion.

I was watching one guy in a Ferox take on these two or three guys on, killing them over and over (one even brought a Procurer to fight) until they wore him down and finally killed him. Now that would be fun as hell and would relish that fight. Then I saw another video where one guy took out a couple of pilots, and next thing he knew there was 25 of them on him with ECM and logi.

If any pvp is lame, its nullsec. But one day, I might just go ahead and scream 'BONZAI' and take a BS out to null just to get it blown up and see how many I can take with me. :)


Morgan o7

P.S. No offense Rain, you are still my bud.



Screaming about a miniture tree will scare them for sure!

Even if what you meant was spelt wrong.


I think you mean 'minature'.


I actually meant miniature but the irony was lost on most!

Thank you for correcting my spelling mistake. It was a long day at work.