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Ratting in a Pirate BS only gives me 30m/hour?
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Robert Sawyer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-06-12 09:52:23 UTC
Allow me to explain.

When I bought my Rattlesnake, I felt like a little kid during Christmas. I bought some skill injectors and quickly trained up on drones and missile skills, earning me about 1000 DPS using T2 kinetic cruise missiles and Republic Fleet Bouncers. My mates who already own ships of the sort told me that if I do Angel Havens, I should be able to make well over 150 million ISK an hour. So I fit my resistances accordingly, load up the drones and MTU and head out.

After an hour of ratting, where I started with 600 million ISK, I looked in my wallet and only found that I have won only 30 million ISK in the course of this hour. This is kind of ridiculous as even mining in a T1 barge can make more. I don't know what I do wrong - I warp in at 70km, drop my sentries and MTU and fire away. Why am I making so little?

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Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#2 - 2016-06-12 10:10:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiddoomer
Well, the problem is not the ship actually, the Rattlesnake is a king of ratting with machariel or a carrier.

A assumption of 150M per hour is the problem here, I'm not even sure incursion in lowsec can give that much with decent ships.
And not, mining in T1 ship doesn't give like 30M per hour, even with boosts.

30M is already a good number for ratting solo in nullsec without carrier.

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Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-06-12 10:30:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Soel Reit
well it depends on many factors, as all in eve.
for example:

- i do 20 mil/h in a covertor in high sec with orca boost
- i know people that doing high sec incursion "with a good fleet" make 150/200 mil/hour even more sometime
- lvl 4 mission in highsec with a good ship --> 80-100 mil/hour

so i'm sure that mining in null, same ships would give you >30mil/hour.

that said, i dunno ratting in null yet... but probably your friend involved the mtu harvest in his output?


and you can always ask your friend for suggestions Roll
Hawke Frost
#4 - 2016-06-12 10:44:27 UTC
Robert Sawyer wrote:
Allow me to explain.

When I bought my Rattlesnake, I felt like a little kid during Christmas. I bought some skill injectors and quickly trained up on drones and missile skills, earning me about 1000 DPS using T2 kinetic cruise missiles and Republic Fleet Bouncers. My mates who already own ships of the sort told me that if I do Angel Havens, I should be able to make well over 150 million ISK an hour. So I fit my resistances accordingly, load up the drones and MTU and head out.

After an hour of ratting, where I started with 600 million ISK, I looked in my wallet and only found that I have won only 30 million ISK in the course of this hour. This is kind of ridiculous as even mining in a T1 barge can make more. I don't know what I do wrong - I warp in at 70km, drop my sentries and MTU and fire away. Why am I making so little?


150 mil is quite optimistic to say the least but you should be able to do better than 30m.

Might be a fitting issue,a lot of ppl focus too much on too much tank OR pure paper dps, damage application is what it's all about and when you're mentioning T2 cruise then all I'm thinking is "that's going to suck vs small/fast angel targets". So if you paste your fit then that might help.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#5 - 2016-06-12 10:44:46 UTC
ISK150m/hour = ISK50m 'Ticks' (bounties pay out every 20min).

Solo? In a Subcap? In 0.0? I call shenanigans.

150m/hour is certainly possible, but not solo with a Rattler in 0.0 without some lucky loot drops to boost it.

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-06-12 10:48:24 UTC
Kiddoomer wrote:
30M is already a good number for ratting solo in nullsec without carrier.

mmmm... when i was afk-taring i was getting like 60mil/hour without faction spawns...

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Captain Dingles
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2016-06-12 10:56:50 UTC
I explore in a 10 mill heron and make like 60 -100 mill an hour. And i get to talk down to the Russians.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-06-12 11:02:49 UTC
Captain Dingles wrote:
I explore in a 10 mill heron and make like 60 -100 mill an hour. And i get to talk down to the Russians.


lmao
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2016-06-12 11:06:40 UTC
Robert Sawyer wrote:
... I bought some skill injectors and quickly trained up on drones and missile skills, earning me about 1000 DPS using T2 kinetic cruise missiles and Republic Fleet Bouncers. My mates who already own ships of the sort told me that if I do Angel Havens, I should be able to make well over 150 million ISK an hour....


Your friends were liars and i knew this would happen with sp injectors coming into play.
People want endgame content NOW NOW NOW and get huffy when it's a little different in outcome.
Not everybody replaces sp with faction everything, not everybody buys their way to advancement, but the desire to do so has allowed both isk and sp to be removed from the economy.
T2 ammo on rats? Just don't.
inb4 people who make a billion an hour solo afk in hisec.



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Signal11th
#10 - 2016-06-12 11:15:27 UTC
Well just before I left the game I had a 1700dps rattle against serps and that was making me 80-90 mill an hour just blasting them continuely and that was with full SP in everything I needed and as bling fit rattle, 150 an hour I've never even got close to that in 0.0 ratting in what 8/9 years.

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#11 - 2016-06-12 13:37:42 UTC
I think my previous post was eaten, but have you tried rapid heavies instead of cruises? You may find you get better damage application

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#12 - 2016-06-12 14:59:06 UTC
Robert Sawyer wrote:
Allow me to explain.

When I bought my Rattlesnake, I felt like a little kid during Christmas. I bought some skill injectors and quickly trained up on drones and missile skills, earning me about 1000 DPS using T2 kinetic cruise missiles and Republic Fleet Bouncers. My mates who already own ships of the sort told me that if I do Angel Havens, I should be able to make well over 150 million ISK an hour. So I fit my resistances accordingly, load up the drones and MTU and head out.

After an hour of ratting, where I started with 600 million ISK, I looked in my wallet and only found that I have won only 30 million ISK in the course of this hour. This is kind of ridiculous as even mining in a T1 barge can make more. I don't know what I do wrong - I warp in at 70km, drop my sentries and MTU and fire away. Why am I making so little?



I would say Heavies > Sentries for anoms, but even then, 30m/hr seems low. What class of anomaly?

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Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#13 - 2016-06-12 15:46:10 UTC
Rattler, if flown well, should do at least 60m/hr, more reasonably would be 90-100m/hr. Vindicator in the right setup can do up to 150m/hr, but that's very active. Carriers can do ~200m+ /hr, also very active.
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
#14 - 2016-06-12 16:52:24 UTC
Soel Reit wrote:
well it depends on many factors, as all in eve.
for example:

- i do 20 mil/h in a covertor in high sec with orca boost
- i know people that doing high sec incursion "with a good fleet" make 150/200 mil/hour even more sometime
- lvl 4 mission in highsec with a good ship --> 80-100 mil/hour

so i'm sure that mining in null, same ships would give you >30mil/hour.

that said, i dunno ratting in null yet... but probably your friend involved the mtu harvest in his output?


and you can always ask your friend for suggestions Roll

100 mill/h with lvl4 missions? How???
Igloo Clegane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2016-06-12 16:58:12 UTC
No one is going to post that he is using the wrong damage type for angels? Refit to explosive damage.
Somal Thunder
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2016-06-12 17:02:40 UTC
Algarion Getz wrote:
Soel Reit wrote:
- lvl 4 mission in highsec with a good ship --> 80-100 mil/hour

100 mill/h with lvl4 missions? How???


By training security connections and negotiation to 5, at that point you should get between 3000 and 7000 LP for every mission (varies based on other factors too), then you blitz the missions with the appropriate ship.
Lots of warp gates? Use a Nightmare (ab bonus).
Nothing to kill? Stiletto
Mining/cargo mission? Buy loot off market for instant complete.

This way you can be getting ~20000 LP/hour easily, which is worth a minimum of 24 million isk when cashed out (depending on corp, assuming you don't cash out on some crap nobody wants).

Now be a little smart about it and find a station with 2 level 4's, pull 2 missions at a time, double the blitzing. But for every character you add now, you get 2 more simultaneous missions, making it even easier to blitz multiple missions. Of course there are diminishing returns on the count of us being human and having fairly bad reaction times, but I would say around 3 mission runners and you should be making about 75000 LP an hour + some sporadic bounties and the 3% implant from that random mission can that drops from a structure or something. Point is, it's easy money if you do it right -- and if you have multiple characters you can easily "blitz" the missions that need to be cleared, 3 domis with 4x DDA's hardly need a tank.
Hawke Frost
#17 - 2016-06-12 17:21:54 UTC
Igloo Clegane wrote:
No one is going to post that he is using the wrong damage type for angels? Refit to explosive damage.


Kin is second best damage type to use, the Rattler gets thermal and kin damage bonus so he IS using the right ammo type.
Igloo Clegane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2016-06-12 22:39:25 UTC
Hawke Frost wrote:
Igloo Clegane wrote:
No one is going to post that he is using the wrong damage type for angels? Refit to explosive damage.


Kin is second best damage type to use, the Rattler gets thermal and kin damage bonus so he IS using the right ammo type.


It's not the right damage type if he is getting 10 mil tics.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#19 - 2016-06-12 23:14:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Robert Sawyer wrote:
Allow me to explain.

When I bought my Rattlesnake, I felt like a little kid during Christmas. I bought some skill injectors and quickly trained up on drones and missile skills, earning me about 1000 DPS using T2 kinetic cruise missiles and Republic Fleet Bouncers. My mates who already own ships of the sort told me that if I do Angel Havens, I should be able to make well over 150 million ISK an hour. So I fit my resistances accordingly, load up the drones and MTU and head out.

After an hour of ratting, where I started with 600 million ISK, I looked in my wallet and only found that I have won only 30 million ISK in the course of this hour. This is kind of ridiculous as even mining in a T1 barge can make more. I don't know what I do wrong - I warp in at 70km, drop my sentries and MTU and fire away. Why am I making so little?


The reason you are making so little is because you are doing something incredibly wrong. What is your fit? What are your skills.
Even my FoF cruise missile+ gecko Rattlesnake on a less skilled alt will do 72 mil per hour.

And 150 mil an hour is impossible in a single sub cap unless you are talking Vindicator in Serp/Guristas space and exclusive access to the right anomalies. Even then 150 and hour would be hard to get to.


Edit: re-read it. tech2 kinetic missiles + sentries. precision cruise suck and fury cruise don't apply well to anything smaller than a moon.
aldhura
Blackjack and Exotic Dancers
Top Tier
#20 - 2016-06-13 01:06:07 UTC
Hawke Frost wrote:
Igloo Clegane wrote:
No one is going to post that he is using the wrong damage type for angels? Refit to explosive damage.


Kin is second best damage type to use, the Rattler gets thermal and kin damage bonus so he IS using the right ammo type.



He may be using the right ammo for the ship, but it ain't the right ammo for the NPC. You can do 60mil per hour in a macharial .
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