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Being griefed by other industry players.

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Diana Dour
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-12-19 20:19:16 UTC
Alt posting to protect myself from further persecution.

It's bad enough that the industry community has to deal with idiots on the outside

"y u mine?"
"to build things you ******* idiot"

Why do people play minecraft honestly? There must be some appeal, not everyone enjoys spamming grenades in 24/7 metro (stupid fps reference).

But when I mine because I want to build a ship and I build the ship, I'm either going to fly it or sell it. It's no use in the hangar collecting dust.

So I price it accordingly.

But then whoa!

"Hey diana why the **** are you pricing it so low, you're losing money."
"No I'm not dipshit, you are losing money I got these rocks for free *******"

If I wanted to be beholden to market prices 24/7 and kill myself over spread sheets I would buy the minerals like you.

If I just wanted to mine for money and not build things I would go to 0.0 with the idiots.

I mine because I like to build and can sell for whatever I want.

0.0 players who don't realize that 0.0 miners are the ones pushing rocks for money are WRONG, high sec miners like building things, stupid fucks.

Industrialist who buy off of the market lol@u I will continue to undercut you, because it is half the fun.
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#2 - 2011-12-19 20:22:34 UTC
You lost me at "I got these rocks for free..."
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#3 - 2011-12-19 20:22:58 UTC
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Mirima Thurander
#4 - 2011-12-19 20:23:00 UTC
U MAD about something, and BTW if you think the rocks you mine are free your wrong, time is money

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#5 - 2011-12-19 20:24:21 UTC
Minerals you mine are not free.

Google for "opportunity cost".

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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-12-19 20:28:27 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
U MAD about something, and BTW if you think the rocks you mine are free your wrong, time is money


I disagree, time doesn't always equal money. If it did, there would be no such thing as 'free time'.
"If."
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#7 - 2011-12-19 20:30:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Paragon Renegade
Doc Fury wrote:
Minerals you mine are not free.

Google for "opportunity cost".



I notice. oddly, that when I find Grav sites in Hisec mining the Hemorphite and Jaspet makes my "little ol' ISK counter go higher.

Everything has an opportunity cost

OT; Anyone who actively looks down on anyone else based on their occupation is a fool

The pie is a tautology
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#8 - 2011-12-19 20:33:53 UTC
You know, if by any far fetched change you, the OP are not a troll, you are better off doing level 4 missions in high sec and salvage & loot the wrecks.

It nets you more money in less time, which gives you isk to buy minerals . It gives you way more valuable minerals once you process the loot. And to top it off, you get more in less time while, being less vulnerable to being ganked by some loony tune who got bored.



TL;DR: Level 4 mission = minerals/ lowsec/ 0.0 minerals, isk, more safety, speed, LP, Standing.

You should be stupid if you mine.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-12-19 20:58:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Pak Narhoo wrote:
You know, if by any far fetched change you, the OP are not a troll, you are better off doing level 4 missions in high sec and salvage & loot the wrecks.

It nets you more money in less time, which gives you isk to buy minerals . It gives you way more valuable minerals once you process the loot. And to top it off, you get more in less time while, being less vulnerable to being ganked by some loony tune who got bored.



TL;DR: Level 4 mission = minerals/ lowsec/ 0.0 minerals, isk, more safety, speed, LP, Standing.

You should be stupid if you mine.


-> "If I just wanted to mine for money and not build things I would go to 0.0 with the idiots."

You, idiot, are stupid for not realizing that the OP is doing what's fun for him,
and not stupid, greedy, mindless, soulless, pointless money hoarding.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-12-19 21:01:09 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
U MAD about something, and BTW if you think the rocks you mine are free your wrong, time is money


says who ?

time is time..
money are money..

you die rich you lost time.. but you still got money.
Kelsi Corynn
Doomheim
#11 - 2011-12-19 21:04:05 UTC
I don't see why anyone would make a fuss over you giving them the opportunity to make a quick buck.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#12 - 2011-12-19 21:06:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Morganta
Paragon Renegade wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Minerals you mine are not free.

Google for "opportunity cost".



I notice. oddly, that when I find Grav sites in Hisec mining the Hemorphite and Jaspet makes my "little ol' ISK counter go higher.

Everything has an opportunity cost

OT; Anyone who actively looks down on anyone else based on their occupation is a fool


anyone who considers a video game activity to be an occupation is a bigger fool

and yeah, if you undercut people in game or in the RW they tend to get mad and do something about it.

Ever hear of minimum pricing laws?
in many places its not legal to sell a retail item for less than a certain percentage over wholesale.
see, price fixing is illegal when companies conspire together to do it, but its perfectly OK if the government does it for them
Information Agent
Apparently Miners
#13 - 2011-12-19 21:06:33 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:
It nets you more money in less time


Not everyone cares about maximising profit/time ratios, heck I sure as hell dont. Whats the point in playing a game if all ya think about is the 'best way' to make in game money? I tend to think along the lines of 'whats the most fun way' to do things, it stops ya turning into some drab grey internet accountant.

Same with the 'free time isnt free' thing, well it is to a lot of people, really perplexes me to think that people actually put an isk value on their recreation time, kinda sad tbh and one more step towards that tweed jacket and 'advanced accountancy for the socially inept' book. :)

(disclaimer: drab accountant and lack of social skill references are not aimed at anyone in this thread or any other thread, thought I'd better put this in before someone gets the wrong idea).
Famble
Three's a Crowd
#14 - 2011-12-19 21:08:36 UTC
As a spender of money and enjoyer of watching other people do stupid things: I support OP's product and/or service.

If anyone ever looks at you and says,_ "Hold my beer, watch this,"_  you're probably going to want to pay attention.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#15 - 2011-12-19 21:12:32 UTC
Kelsi Corynn wrote:
I don't see why anyone would make a fuss over you giving them the opportunity to make a quick buck.



Good point, I was gonna say if your enjoying what your doing, whats the problem?

RE: Free minerals - In one sence they are. They cost OP 0 isk. They did cost time and effort but time and effort is not the same as the balance in your wallet. Though it is standard practice to value ore against what they could be sold for, not everyone counts every 0.01 isk and the sense of value at having produced something valuable ingame may be as much of a kick for someone else as your 7 page spreadsheet that tells you the OP lost 6.73 percent total earnings per hour. Each to there own I suppose.

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#16 - 2011-12-19 21:13:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Crumplecorn
Information Agent wrote:
Same with the 'free time isnt free' thing, well it is to a lot of people, really perplexes me to think that people actually put an isk value on their recreation time, kinda sad tbh and one more step towards that tweed jacket and 'advanced accountancy for the socially inept' book. :)
That the activities you partake in in game have ISK values attached is a quantifiable fact, not an opinion or perspective. Ignorance of this does not change this fact.


Professor Alphane wrote:
RE: Free minerals - In one sence they are.
No, in no sense are they. You are perfectly free to do with them as you wish, however, the opportunity cost exists regardless.


Kelsi Corynn wrote:
I don't see why anyone would make a fuss over you giving them the opportunity to make a quick buck.
You have to remember that the other guy isn't necessarily that much smarter, and may not realise how to take advantage of the situation.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#17 - 2011-12-19 21:15:34 UTC
You didn't get the rocks for free, you simply value your time less than they value theirs. Which is fine.

Wal-Mart could sell most of what they sell at higher prices, increasing their profit margin. They don't because sometimes selling something for a lower margin returns the money faster, allowing them to reinvest it. In the case of the OP, his/her merchandise sells faster than the competitively-priced pro industrialists, putting money in the wallet to be used.

As with everything, "value" is all about the PERCEIVED worth of something. If you think the time you put into mining the materials for that Drake is worth 10 million isk, then who am I to question you for selling it so cheap?

The primary problem I see with the people criticizing your market prices is that they aren't buying your stuff and reposting it for what they consider a more "fair" price.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Ai Shun
#18 - 2011-12-19 21:18:05 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
That the activities you partake in in game have ISK values attached is a quantifiable fact, not an opinion or perspective. Ignorance of this does not change this fact.


True. An individual player may choose to pay that cost as it is the price of their fun. In other words, doing it differently would create a different opportunity cost for them that has too high a price tag.

Still, it gives others the opportunity to exploit their lack of interest in those aspects.

I'm all for that.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2011-12-19 21:20:49 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
RE: Free minerals - In one sence they are.
No, in no sense are they. You are perfectly free to do with them as you wish, however, the opportunity cost exists regardless.

Who put the price tag on it ? Who started it ? Cost/Money/Ownership/etc. are ideas... They are cute ideas, but imaginary.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#20 - 2011-12-19 21:26:23 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
That the activities you partake in in game have ISK values attached is a quantifiable fact, not an opinion or perspective. Ignorance of this does not change this fact.


Spreadsheet warriors: Subtracting the fun from Eve since 2003.

Crumplecorn wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
RE: Free minerals - In one sence they are.
No, in no sense are they. You are perfectly free to do with them as you wish, however, the opportunity cost exists regardless.


The whole notion of opportunity cost hinges on the comparison of two options. If mining lands me 30 million isk an hour and mission running lands me 50 million isk an hour, then I'm losing 20 million isk an hour by mining (yes that's a somewhat simplistic and incomplete example, I'm lazy and won't bother with more). But you've forgotten something.

I see one thing missing from calculations of opportunity cost: fun. The whole thing falls apart when you remember that YOU ARE PLAYING A GAME.

Crumplecorn wrote:
Kelsi Corynn wrote:
I don't see why anyone would make a fuss over you giving them the opportunity to make a quick buck.
You have to remember that the other guy isn't necessarily that much smarter, and may not realise how to take advantage of the situation.

Thankfully there are many such people in Eve, presenting the rest of us with many such opportunities for profit.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
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