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Who Killed High-Sec/Casual PvP?

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Rana Rama
State War Academy
Caldari State
#81 - 2016-06-07 12:36:49 UTC
Wardeccing a 3-man corp with a 1-200 man alliance sounds to me as if the wardeccers are just looking for some cheap ganks but are too chicken to do it if shiploss/concord/secstatusloss might be involved, calling that mode of operations 'Mercenary work' or 'Elite-PvP' doesn't seem to fit really good.
Rawmeat Mary
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#82 - 2016-06-07 13:03:34 UTC
Rana Rama wrote:
Wardeccing a 3-man corp with a 1-200 man alliance sounds to me as if the wardeccers are just looking for some cheap ganks but are too chicken to do it if shiploss/concord/secstatusloss might be involved, calling that mode of operations 'Mercenary work' or 'Elite-PvP' doesn't seem to fit really good.

You don't make any sense, what are you talking about? Question

'If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skins onto their clothing. And if we're very, very lucky, they'll do it in that order.'

Yeah, we're like that.

Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#83 - 2016-06-07 13:21:33 UTC
I have no trouble finding war targets. They tend to be one system over or at my HQ. Is it the land of milk and honey as the old days, no. Still it is growing and getting better.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#84 - 2016-06-07 13:36:47 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
I have no trouble finding war targets. They tend to be one system over or at my HQ. Is it the land of milk and honey as the old days, no. Still it is growing and getting better.

I suspect I would be thrown out of RvB for reflexively podding everyone P

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

Mortlake
Republic Military School
#85 - 2016-06-07 13:48:37 UTC
Rana Rama wrote:
Wardeccing a 3-man corp with a 1-200 man alliance sounds to me as if the wardeccers are just looking for some cheap ganks but are too chicken to do it if shiploss/concord/secstatusloss might be involved, calling that mode of operations 'Mercenary work' or 'Elite-PvP' doesn't seem to fit really good.


No, if you dec a very small corp it's usually because you've spotted someone with a bad kb flying something expensive. Expensive gank maybe, yes. Not cheap. Nobody's going to dec a 3 man corp on the offchance that they snag a Venture.

And you're right, that's not 'Mercenary work' or elite pvp, it's usually about getting a nice killmail and hopefully some loot. That is, unless, you've been paid to do it.

Lots of mercenaries fill in the time gaps between contracts with decs such as these.

Sometimes you hit the bar and sometimes the bar hits you...

Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#86 - 2016-06-07 13:57:34 UTC
Mortlake wrote:
Lots of mercenaries fill in the time gaps between contracts with decs such as these.

Ironically that gives me an idea...

Carebears - if you want to end all the wars by any corp that calls themselves "mercenaries" - and you want to do it without re-growing your spines and actually getting your own hands dirty, the solution is simple:

HIRE ALL THE MERCS! Point them at some big group you hate or something, and negotiate a big juicy contract through chribba so they only get paid if it is an exclusive wardec vs only that group and their allies.

As long as they get some kills from the target and get paid well, they'll have to stop all their random war decs.


Now you all finally have a use for those trillions of isk you keep hoarding! Big smile

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#87 - 2016-06-07 14:14:04 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Mortlake wrote:
Lots of mercenaries fill in the time gaps between contracts with decs such as these.

Ironically that gives me an idea...

Carebears - if you want to end all the wars by any corp that calls themselves "mercenaries" - and you want to do it without re-growing your spines and actually getting your own hands dirty, the solution is simple:

HIRE ALL THE MERCS! Point them at some big group you hate or something, and negotiate a big juicy contract through chribba so they only get paid if it is an exclusive wardec vs only that group and their allies.

As long as they get some kills from the target and get paid well, they'll have to stop all their random war decs.

Now you all finally have a use for those trillions of isk you keep hoarding! Big smile


Except that certain mercs are blue to each other, best go back to the drawing board on that one. Also I don't understand why you think hisec players are that rich, some are, but the majority are not.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#88 - 2016-06-07 14:24:36 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Mortlake wrote:
Lots of mercenaries fill in the time gaps between contracts with decs such as these.

Ironically that gives me an idea...

Carebears - if you want to end all the wars by any corp that calls themselves "mercenaries" - and you want to do it without re-growing your spines and actually getting your own hands dirty, the solution is simple:

HIRE ALL THE MERCS! Point them at some big group you hate or something, and negotiate a big juicy contract through chribba so they only get paid if it is an exclusive wardec vs only that group and their allies.

As long as they get some kills from the target and get paid well, they'll have to stop all their random war decs.

Now you all finally have a use for those trillions of isk you keep hoarding! Big smile


Except that certain mercs are blue to each other, best go back to the drawing board on that one. Also I don't understand why you think hisec players are that rich, some are, but the majority are not.

So hire the ones that aren't blue to kill them? Lots of good ones will shoot even their blues if you pay them enough. You know, the REAL mercs.

And it isn't like each individual carebear has to hire them - you could work out a deal with chribba to pool your isk through him 100% safely.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#89 - 2016-06-07 15:40:56 UTC
Reading a Dravblep post is a bit like watching a washing machine program.

- You almost fall asleep right away
- It makes you seriously sick in the stomach
- half way trough you trow up a little
- It does not contain any useful or accurate information
- You are definitely a little dumber as you where before
Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#90 - 2016-06-07 15:50:05 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Saeger1737 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


And your posts are, as I read C&P and follow the war dec groups threads I notice that you are a prolific poster of bull shite, which has got you into trouble before and directly caused the death of Deadly Fingertips, you also alienated a few other players before that happened.

My KB is not fed by my API and this is not my only character, only the one I chose to be public with, my KB does not bother me, I have nothing to prove to people like you, only to myself. As I said I expect this war dec to be yet another big yawn unless I choose otherwise and to be honest you are just too boring to even bother with which is my attitude to all of the blanket war dec groups.


Deadly fingertips died this year, not last year, Absolute Defiance died last year, yes an alliance I was head of but it died because we were at war with 5 merc groups and our player activity took a big hit because of it, deadly went on after the death of the alliance to die on its own without me even in the Corp. Please check your sources again since your clearly wrong.

I speak my mind and I don't care about the consequences of it. Your attitude is dull and bleak because that's what you make of this game, after all Eve is what you make of it.


It effectively died due to that war with the core merc groups, stop being stupid and spinning bull shite. Yes evidently you speak your mind without thinking about the consequences, which bit you on the ass in terms of Deadly Fingertips. I spoke my mind on this thread to point out what hisec people think from what I have seen and heard knowing full well I would get a war dec from one of the blanket campers.

I am not the one desperately searching for things to blap to keep the interest of your people up, in fact its a bit of a death spiral to be honest, but at least your alliance branches out, its not all hisec, so you are not completely stale and unimaginative.

Deadly died after joining marmite, the core merc group war was to assist Pirat, job was done and everyone wanted it, in alliance and in Corp, we went to war with Marmite then the other mercs got pulled in by Tora, the war ended, alliance died, deadly joined marmite. Check your history, cause you're still horribly wrong.

MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!

Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#91 - 2016-06-07 16:08:31 UTC
Saeger1737 wrote:
Check your history, cause you're still horribly wrong.

If EVE was a super hero game, this would be Dravbleps special power. I have never seen anyone speak with such confidence while being so horribly wrong about basically everything he talks about. It is no wonder he is an AG guy since they have no clue either, they probably even believe the stuff he says.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#92 - 2016-06-07 16:52:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
for example James 315 was so upset over the change to can flipping he created CODE and I find it funny that CODE was created on the back of tears.

I know you think you are a really clever guy for finding this out and calling it tears. You are literally that fat kid who calls other kids fat because it is the one insult you know that hurts you.

As usual you got almost everything wrong.

James 315 created The New Order of Highsec and not CODE. which is just one of the entities in the New Order, and James 315 only very recently became the executor. The history about why he did it is openly documented in the blog and also in the manifests which predate the New Order:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40762
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101626

Other than carebears who come to the forums and cry for changes to the game like you, James 315 took the approach every true gamer would and tried to play by the rules of the game to change EVE from the inside. Obviously it is working, hence all the constant tears of people like you and your anti-content friends.

The mining permit has actually nothing to do with ganking miners, but with bumping miners. It always was and always will be fine to just shoot someone in EVE. After all this is a game about spaceship combat.

He managed to form a lose group of friendly players who would fight for a common cause while having fun playing the game. Something AG is struggling manly do to the toxic environment and a channel full of entitled people who think they are something better and deserve special treatment because they try to play the "good guy" in a video game.

So while you are crying with your minion Herzog about why no one is joining your cause and sharing ideas about how CCP should change the game in your favor, we are out there blaping miners and having fun in the game as it is. And yes if I have time to play, which isn't a lot currently I am on during times you are and I see you and Herzog crying in the channel.
Some dead miners even reported my activity a couple of times in ag intel, but no one cared, the only response they got where some toxic remarks about how stupid they are to mine with an untanked exhumer in a system with gankers. It was obvious they all just waited that some Freighter fleet would form somewhere, because it is obviously easier to sit on the gate and just whore on CONCORD killmails. Such is the state of AG today, they are more useless than ever.




Such a long post. Umad bro?

Stop trying to rewrite history. We remember TEARS. But your latest screed of the usual cut and paste dogma is expected. I have watched your ilk apply the term "resort to" very well.

Such as, you could not can flip and mission bait any more, you could not set up a situation where only one player that you researched and targeted could be aggressed. Crimewatch changed that. Being able to abandon loot changed that. So you had to resort to ..... bumping miners. Ganking was always a thing, and your ilk abused it to the point where the game company - one that has interest in staying in business - had to make changes. Too bad, no "destroying something beautiful" for you guys, so Eve can close down and you can all high five and move onto the next target.

You are not Tyler Durden. And your whole "movement" has been one big fat whine.

And you know how things have changed a bit. Jumping in on CONCORD kills happens much less these days. Want to talk about some of the new interesting things AG does? Why do you not bring it up? Afraid someone else might see what we are doing with those Omen fits? Ganks do fail. Win some, lose some. But you have gone from always winning to being challenged. Is that not "worthy" of your gospel, for "Players to do something about it"? Or is this an affront to your sense of moral superiority.

It's bad enough that you have to put citadels near gates and use bombers. It's a nice adaptation though. But why are you using cats and ganking lone miners at a loss lately? Bored?


I wonder what you people will resort to next. You are running out of options. I like how you guys adapt, and there's satisfaction in seeing you being forced to make adjustments.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Lord Razpataz
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#93 - 2016-06-07 17:43:04 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

I wonder what you people will resort to next. You are running out of options. I like how you guys adapt, and there's satisfaction in seeing you being forced to make adjustments.


So.. have you seen this?
I know several of those mail have been sent out recently.
Is this the next CODE thing?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#94 - 2016-06-07 18:04:12 UTC
Lord Razpataz wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

I wonder what you people will resort to next. You are running out of options. I like how you guys adapt, and there's satisfaction in seeing you being forced to make adjustments.


So.. have you seen this?
I know several of those mail have been sent out recently.
Is this the next CODE thing?




I saw that yesterday actually and not sure what that's all about.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#95 - 2016-06-07 18:20:04 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Reading a Dravblep post is a bit like watching a washing machine program.

- You almost fall asleep right away
- It makes you seriously sick in the stomach
- half way trough you trow up a little
- It does not contain any useful or accurate information
- You are definitely a little dumber as you where before


You really are upset over James 315 tears being exposed on the Eve forums, calm down ganker, you are embarrassing yourself.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#96 - 2016-06-07 18:27:44 UTC
Saeger1737 wrote:
Deadly died after joining marmite, the core merc group war was to assist Pirat, job was done and everyone wanted it, in alliance and in Corp, we went to war with Marmite then the other mercs got pulled in by Tora, the war ended, alliance died, deadly joined marmite. Check your history, cause you're still horribly wrong.


Here is what I saw, before that war really kicked off a number of people left your corp/alliance, including one who posted in this thread, there was some internal drama, then you had the war with Marmite and the others piled in on you, after that you died, I don't know the full in's and outs of when you exactly left and when the alliance closed, as I was taking a break from Eve when that happened. A lot of that was picked up from the butt hurt on the forums, but it is difficult to get a totally accurate story from the various egos flying around. Is that fair enough, but there was some drama before that war, I noted that when I looked at your alliance and my war dec by you was just before you got dog piled. In fact I was rather impressed with you guys actually and was sad to see you fold, not that that means anything to you. You know what I liked, you took taht fight where you lost all those Battleships, credit to you for that.

But I do prefer the calmer you by the way, I could get to quite like you if you keep this up.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Rawmeat Mary
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#97 - 2016-06-07 21:25:34 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


But I do prefer the calmer you by the way, I could get to quite like you if you keep this up.


Saeger is a raging, evil, spiteful bitter vet.

We like him that way.

Thank you.

/end out of context post.

'If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skins onto their clothing. And if we're very, very lucky, they'll do it in that order.'

Yeah, we're like that.

Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#98 - 2016-06-07 21:37:40 UTC
Lord Razpataz wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

I wonder what you people will resort to next. You are running out of options. I like how you guys adapt, and there's satisfaction in seeing you being forced to make adjustments.


So.. have you seen this?
I know several of those mail have been sent out recently.
Is this the next CODE thing?

Maybe this "ISK efficiency" has something to do with why people won't fight the hibear merc alliances. Oh noes, they might actually put some red on our alliance killboard!

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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#99 - 2016-06-07 21:40:21 UTC
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:
Lord Razpataz wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

I wonder what you people will resort to next. You are running out of options. I like how you guys adapt, and there's satisfaction in seeing you being forced to make adjustments.


So.. have you seen this?
I know several of those mail have been sent out recently.
Is this the next CODE thing?

Maybe this "ISK efficiency" has something to do with why people won't fight the hibear merc alliances. Oh noes, they might actually put some red on our alliance killboard!

You put that response on a post about *CODE* of all alliances?

Do you even know who CODE is?

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#100 - 2016-06-07 21:50:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Shallanna Yassavi
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

So OP, lets get to you personally seeing as you went there with me, you looked at my KB and made some sark comments, and yet you failed to put your money where your mouth is and war dec me, and why is that?

That is because you have a target selection, you want indy players that have no SP in PvP and have no experience, against me you would be out of your comfort zone. You are your own problem in terms of your target selection, I only get war decs from blanket large war dec entities, never from people like you. Of course you can now war dec me behind the blanket war deccer and say you win, but that is what CODE did to me once, only did a dec against me because Marmite had a dec in before hand.

You are part of the issue you are a player who think you are entitled to knock off low SP players and the like in terms of PvP and because they are drying up due to the over fishing you cry like a baby. And emphasis on the baby because if you were not I would have had a war dec from you first. Because of your crying, cowardice and entitled attitude I have had my interest sparked, lets see where this takes me.

You made it pretty clear if I wardecced you you would just go inactive or disband as you encourage all the other carebears to do. I did actually debate deccing you anyway with my forum alt here, just to make a point as you ran and hid from a character that literally doesn't log in... - but I'm sick of wasting my isk on cowards like you.

However, for the record, I *have* been more selective in my wars lately. I've been specifically scouring killboards/etc to find people with some actual roaming history and kills, in the hopes that maybe that will give them the courage to fight. And what have I found? Less than 3 months ago, I camped a war target fleet composed of - and I **** you not - a *Vindicator*, *Navy Megathron*, *Hyperion*, *exequror*, *vexor*, and a couple of frigates - including in this case my spy alt in a kestrel (which is how I know the exact fleet comp, since it never came out). And what monstrous ship did it take to camp all of these ships into a station for *over an hour* - after they had specially fit them up just so they could supposedly fight me? I was in a *Procurer* mining barge. They never engaged. I know they have buffed mining ships ridiculously....but that is just sad.

As for targeting your killboard and you personally - I look at the killboards of every noob who tells me to "go try REAL PvP in 0.0" - because invariably I find that they are nothing but a whiny hypocrite.



And as for the rest of your ranting/raving - I said from the beginning that I know *what* the issue is. The spirit of the carebears has broken. I said that in my first post. My question was never *what* happened - it was *why* it happened. And the reasons you give are ridiculous. Nothing but whiny excuses.

To be fair though, your post wasn't entirely useless for the topic. You run pretty much the only organization that supposedly has the goal of helping High Sec players band together to make High Sec better....and you are as big a coward as any of them. Ultimately there is no one single cause, but from the responses I've seen in this thread I have come to believe that people like *you* are a major part of the cause. Portraying yourself as experts and then going out of your way to lie to the new players and tell them that they should just roll over and give up without trying.

The Procurer is *always* a trap. I'll even explain why:
It's tanky and cheap. It tends to survive long enough for help to show up, and you don't care too much if you lose it.
It's a mining barge. Look at that cute little stripminer <3

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