Crime & Punishment

Tama...where titan gatecamps are a thing

Is it true that PVP in null sec is way more difficult than highsec? like as soon as you jump the gate into null, everything from your keyboard disappears except for F1 key?

Don't forget 'add pilot to watchlist', orbit at 2500, and overheating various modules, activating prop mods, bubbling, F2 for Siege, F3 for Rocket Salvo, Shift+R to recall fighters, 'Bridge' instead of 'Jump', F3 to light a cyno, the 'jump' dance, double-click mwd cloak, probing all the time, burning pings for warp-ins, rolling safes for fleet links, and all that other stuff rolled into 'haha f1 monkey'.

There's simply little reason to fight back in High-Sec, doing so and failing only makes yourself a juicier target while success might net you a handful of kills at best. For years the advice given has been "don't fight, dock up" and I guess it has finally begun to stick. The smattering of vets and alts help spread the word, and when you see high-sec corps offering pvp of any kind they usually do so in low/null. I'm more surprised it has taken this long to sink in, though I expect the propensity of many high-sec mercs to simply camp pipes and hubs lessens their threat levels to anyone with half a brain. If taking the offensive held any real benefit, maybe people would try it more often.

As for the whole null-sec thing, it's a product of the regimented style of war out there. You're not expected to know how to fly your ship, but how to follow commands. Individual **** ups tend to go unnoticed when there are 400 other nerds on field. The rest of your time is spent shooting NPCs and running from fights. That isn't to say there aren't competent PVP pilots out there, you just don't see much of them. Most people who don't venture into null-sec only see it through the eyes of streamers and youtube videos, and they naturally prey on the same groups because they know they'll get kills out of it, which skews the perception of null-sec PVP even further.

I think it is a bit more complicated than that - but yes that is a large part of it I suppose.


However, as for the rest, allow me to sum up my own feelings, and I believe those of most PvP oriented players both in and out of high-sec, not limited to but certainly including the large "merc" corps you are speaking of:

Whether you choose to use them or not, you have all the tools at your disposal to turn the tables on them any time you like.

We know you won't - but that is your *choice*

So don't expect any sympathy from me, let alone from anybody in the major wardeccing groups. If you *choose* to simply be sheep to be slaughtered/harvested, then you will be treated as such.

This pretty much answers Dirty Forum Alt's question except for a couple other points that I'll add :

Many players in High Sec join this game to do PvE content and don't want to engage in PvP content.

Game mechanics have been changed so much that it creates a no win situation for small Corps to engage in WarDec.

If player Corps want WarDec content, then should go where it's available and do it with Low / Null Sec / W-Hole Corps.

Bottom line :
Dirty Forum Alt constantly throws the term 'Carebear' around in these forums quite a bit, trying to insult and demean players in High Sec who don't want to do PvP content yet Dirty Forum Alt is probably the biggest damn Carebear of all. Instead of going to where there's definitely PvP content available, Dirty Forum Alt insists on staying in High Sec wanting to WarDec small Industrial Corps.



In answer to that question : CCP killed casual PvP. They added new game mechanics and changed existing game mechanics as well as created and added various items to the game that not only caters to griefers, but also enhances their gameplay activities.

For example the Dueling game mechanic - CCP could have easily programmed it to be like it was in real life, strictly 1v1 with no outside interference. Also after a weapon of choice was selected, the combatants couldn't change it in the middle of the Duel nor could they run and hide (ship change / station dock).

Anyway, there is no way to bring back casual PvP, not with the mind set CCP currently has. The dye is cast. And people wonder why the player base log in numbers are getting smaller all the time.


DMC

Although I agree with Malakye on few points, mainly the risk adverse nature that wardecs have grown into, which I could argue my opinions on it's nature sometime later (IE Don't loose **** or you'll attract attention) I'd like to say a few things. (Wall-o-Text incoming)


One if a corp gets wardecs and fights and enjoys it, what the problem with another wardec? Highsec, is no different then any other part of EVE if you can afford to defend your ****, somebody will come by and blow it up. EVE has always had that way. I can never understand why some people feel that Highsec should be treated differently. Where you have to have a good fleet to defend your POCO's/POS'es/Citadels in any other space but Highsec.

When most people whine about a wardec, it's mainly because they put themselves in situation that let a bigger badder guy come in and knock his sand castle over. Whether that sand castle is a Battleship, a Citadel or sov, what have you. The main whine that I see if people wanting to play EVE as a Single player/Co-op game and not respecting the fact that its an MMO where other people can come in blow you up, for no reason other than they were bored. This happens all the time in Lowsec, Null and W-space, FEITD gets drop on by SC because SC knows they can always drop more then FEITD. Do you hear them whining and crying about being bullied by SC? Was there a mass outcry because the MBC formed against CFC? Not really. Not like we see with highsec. So Why should Highsec be treated differently?

The growing momentum towards this attitude that Highsec should be more favorable to the Indy players is actually rather annoying because it means that less and less of the niche gameplay of EVE is going away in favor of a more generalized MMO of you can only lose when you want to put yourself in a position to loose, which is infact honestly the current state, but effort involved is more then what people want to put in. More and more EVE is becoming a Generalized MMORPG with PVP elements, rather then a Sandbox PVP Oriented MMORPG.


Highsec players go to Lowsec and Nullsec, I can probably make a semi-educated guess that if Highsec follows it's current trend of this boiled frog pacification, that ideal will slowly leak it's way in the other area's of space. The Majority will ask for more safety, Soon Nullsec will be nothing less than arena CTF. Al 'la Runescape castle wars.

And over all that's the main issue which I feel why most people in EVE shouldn't WANT to have a completely safe Highsec, because that brings in the expectation that more space should be even safer. Why can some other alliance shoot me in my own alliance controlled SOV? We should be able to rent out concord to protect us!

So on and so forth.

What most people seem to sympathize over is the new players. Like the actually new player, Not the 5 year old dude whose hung out in NPC corps his entire time in EVE. Which is a good thing, but the main problem I see is those 5 year old NPC corp carebears. Actual Carebears, those who want nothing to do with the game as an online experience, who want a magic ring of protection to keep the safe from baddies, are not only the first people newbro's generally interact with as they sit in the same corp. But they also ride on the sympathy ways playing the victim with the ignorant newbie.

Carebears, actual Carebears are a cancer to this game. They don't care about the social aspect of the game they want to have a Single-player EVE online and they will yell and scream about how it's unfair they a being bullied and spread they're own ideals to the newbies they surround themselves with in, because in reality it's only people that will accept they idea as fact because they don't know any better.

Which in TURN, is EVE-online as a games fault. Not enough information is given out to newbies. A newbie doesn't understand that joining a player corp in highsec MEANS something. They should understand that it Means I'm ready to step out of the tutorial and entire EVE proper. Highsec shouldn't be Tutorial island. Or a kiddy pool. NPC corp should be a kiddie pool, and Highsec should be the 5 foot middle ground.


Anyways.

Largely EVE isn't dying, but it's changing and the old is leaving because they are tired of the game, they are tired of EVE becoming something that it wasn't when they started. Soon we will have more people screaming for more safety asking for more for less effort the Risk/Reward idea that EVE was founded on will slow give way to a more casual experience. We are at a crossroad with the game I think and it really depends on how well CCP can walk the tightrope before they give up and push what they feel is best for them as a company. The outcome right seems to be they want more profit, and are will to out some of their older fanbase for more newblood.

The only thing that I honestly wonder is it going to be, Sandcastles or Castle Wars by 2017.

postignto emphasize my appreciation for this comment , im waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to drunk to articulate an appropriate response but ill call you in the morning

Mercs basically killed it???? back in the day my old corp/alliance got decced a few times we came to fight and they just docked even though we had 1 more pilot? Another time we came down in bcers and support frigs vs a few t3 and faction cruisers similar numbers like 10v10 , mercs reshipped into faction bs's and t2 logi lol, most hisec mercs cant fight imo unless they seriously over power the opposition otherwise they dock up which is cowardly.

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