EVE General Discussion

fully agree with OP. overall, EVE sucks, which is why i stopped paying for it with my money. i like space, exploration, and a few other things in this game, which is why im still here. im waiting to see if anything will come of all the things they promised to fix in this "new direction".

mirel yirrin, S.D (Space Doctor) here,

I must ask that you all stop posting at once - Mr Krint is in a precarious mental state, despite our best efforts. He has barricaded himself inside the computer room and taken Nurse Chambers hostage. I believe we will be able to talk him down, but currently he is unresponsive, and has taken to screaming incoherently whilst smearing his own waste over the windows in an attempt to prevent us from observing him.

funny, i remember you from somewhere:P anyway plod on. NEXT.

edit 2 :when i remember i think your ******. know the face cant place the name.

I am so terribly sorry not enough newbs are coming into your lowsec area for you to gank on.

Removing L4's from highsec is a tarded idea.

Level 5's were removed from high security space and into lowsec. Because people like you Q.Q 'd

But no, that's not f*cking good enough for you.

Now you want L4's because it is an ISK sink. And next you'll want L3's and L2's. So that eventually newbs can only make ISK in highsec by mining or running Level 1's. And then you'll cry when they won't come to lowsec ANYWAY.

Q.Q

CCP isn't tailoring EVE to your specific liking.

Q.Q

Hate to say this, but CCP wants the player base to grow. And none of your reasons or Q.Q will do either of those things, much less increase their revenue.

You're not a bitter vet. You're a ****** or a Troll.

o great more rantings of an ignorant senile old man (in eve terms) we dont get enough of these......

I will truly do my best. I will take in parts, since i'm not sober..

I agree. I have NOT accepted some of the changes. Most of it I accept. I even think that i'm somewhat tolerant. BUT mixing with the core concept, as the sandbox thing is. I do not tolerate. Boot.ini, T20, wrong priority's, releasing new features while the old one is broken, NeX Store (who cares as long as it's only looks and not one of the most powerful things in Eve, ISK), Making lag WORSE in fleet battle (days with lags in fleetbattles, probably months), releasing new ships while the old ones are broken, waiting years for promised features etc etc... All this i can take. I don't really care. I understand that it's a complex thing and that people can't work 24/7.

But as I said, in my opinion you should not be able to buy the most powerful "item" for real cash, in a sandbox world as Eve (once was).

Infinite grow? I think they would make more people happy and make more money with changing some of the game mechanics. Some people might stop playing the game but some people will start playing as well. Many people have quit Eve over the years and when I talk to these people they often say that the reason is "They got bored" "Got tired of PvP" etc. But when you ask them more questions and dig deeper into it it seems that the devaluation of ISK was the true reason. The people that first started to play Eve in its first years, the players that are the reason that Eve and CCP even exists in its form today. Many of them liked the sandbox world (where you valued your ISK and worked for them).


Funny "how the-world-economy-is-bad" comes up when we discuss a game. It's all about priority's. Sure, if CCP wants to become the new EA Games they need that greedy kind of mindset. But I don't wan't CCP to become the biggest game developers in the world, don't become EA Games. Stay genuine and true to your concepts and close to your player-base. As you did for so long. (Pre-Plex <3)

Agree almost entirely. (I don't have a problem with PLEX-for-gametime, and I'd replace it on your list with 'mandatory T3 boost alts')

CCP seems hellbent on killing everything that makes EVE special (the sandbox, the harshness, the struggle, the 'virtual world' immersion) while devoting almost no resources to EVE's biggest problems (botting, big RMTing alliances, risk-free ISK fire hoses, client hacks.)

Many if not most, of the voices of reason are gone (Mynxee and Teadaze to name 2) so the jabbering WoWtards significantly outnumber the few of us who remain.

As you say, the few of us who remain are also banned for frivolous/nonexistent reasons because we have the audacity to tell it like it is.

PLEX was brought in as a fix to RMT.

RMT, which may have existing in 2004, but nowhere near as big as it became.

As EVE grew in age and player base, RMT grew because the market for RMT grew.

The players in 2004 and later grew the market for RMT.

That's right. You guys.

Because ISK was 'so hard' to earn, you wanted a short cut. So RMT was born.

That's right. You guys.

This is only my 3rd year in EVE, but in that entire time RMT was being fought. Its a loosing battle, much like the 'war on drugs'. PLEX was brought in as a way for folks to get ISK for cash and take away the market from the RMT guys. Here in Ontario, we have the LCBO to sell booze. The Government sells booze to cut out the bootleggers and the moonshiners. Oh, its not perfect, but that way the government gets its cut, we get our booze. Here, with PLEX, those that need ISK can buy it with cash and CCP gets its cut. Those that have ISK can buy game time (that play for free feeling) and increase the player base.

You're upset that folks with cash can buy ISK to buy superior ships and equipment. I agree.

I understand your anger.

But I am not upset at PLEX. Its an evil necessitated by the actions of those that feel the need to buy ISK for cash.

I am far, far more upset that there is a legitimate market for old characters. People can buy and sell in-game characters for ISK. THAT I consider far, far worse than PLEX, worse than RMT. PLEX lets someone buy in game stuff for cash. Buying characters buys TIME. The time that many of us invest in this game.

So forgive me if I am not upset at PLEX. Forgive me for managing one of my accounts by buying PLEX.

But don't be surprised if I lay the blame for the need for PLEX in the first place at your bitter vet feet and curse you for the idiocy of transfer of in-game characters for ISK.

You were around when the seeds were sown. You were there when the market first grew. You were there to legitimize character transfer. You were there when making game changes to kill RMT before it could establish itself was a possibility.

Not me.

The irony is that the future of EVE lies NOT with you, but with me and those that follow after. And we are the ones that have the most to loose due to your actions those years ago.

Bitter vet? Bite me.

I had a longer post but...here is a shorter version.

The OP sucks.

I agree with your wall of text. That's why I have no problem with PLEX-for-gametime.

I also agree that EVE would be a vastly better game if they had never allowed character sales in the first place.

I don't get the hostility in your closing remark, but whatever. Bitter vets are generally more principled and care more about the game than CCP or the fanbois/sycophants do. I doubt this guy supported character sales at the time. Do you have some evidence that he did?