EVE General Discussion

Your tears are delicious, please, cry more. :P

ATTN: FORUM MODERATORS

As Xoria's attending physician I request that you immediately permaban Xoria from the forums. His blood pressure is already dangerously high from the cocaine and methamphetamine abuse - his heart can't stand this kind of stress. If you don't, then it's likely he will suffer a serious cardiac event or stroke within the next 12 - 24 hours. I strongly urge you to consider my request.

Kindest Regards,

mirel yirrin, SD (space doctor).

Source on that 70%-thing?

That's your reason to call me a non-brainer? You are so cute. I would like to have you in a cage above my bed. I would feed you, pet you and even play with you.

1. They are doing it wrong. (Oh, btw.. There is more ways of making money in Empire then level 4 missions)
2. Should be left with nothing? They could just enter low security space and continue with there business as usual! The only difference would be to watch local more carefully. By the way.. Did you know that some people actually are friendly in low security space? Some people even wan't to make alliances.. I know this might sound weird to you, but it's true.

Playing in high security space is fine for me. I think you should chose that yourself. But IMO it's a bit like staying in the newbie area and kill lvl 1 boars. You are missing so much of the game. And the game is missing you guys.

why should he or anyone agree with you ? let him have his own opinion pls.

I didn't know they let cybernetically-boosted Helper Chimps for the physically disabled use computers. Are you playing eve in your spare time when you're not helping some old guy get out of the bath?

It's so great to see to see you online! I hope you have a good time here.

I'm terribly sorry if you've been offended by Mr Krint's behaviour. We sometimes let him use the computer in the afternoons, and he can be a bit fiesty. We've administered a benzoadiazepene, along with a high-strength anti-psychotic, and he should be calmer from this point onwards.

Kindest Regards,

mirel yirrin, S.D (Space Doctor)

You seem to mistake popular with mainstream, there is a fine difference between saturating a niche (or few) and catering for everybody. The game of this year is, arguably maybe, Minecraft, which is both popular and a niche game, it's not mainstream and has absolutely horrendous graphics. And it's a sandbox, even more so than EVE.

Dear Xoria,

Please bear with my wall of text as I did yours.

I will do my best not to come across as insulting or demeaning in any way. I am a vet of other MMO's (no, not WoW) for over 12 years and I see the same patterns in many players emerge after a minimum of 4 years playing one game.

You say you have played this game for eight years and have adapted along the way - I believe you have done so when you say this. However, there is a difference between adapting to a situation and accepting it 100%, or adapting to a situation and only accepting some of it, let's say 50% for discussions sake. You may have adapted, but have you ever accepted to a large degree, say 90% of changes and updates made ? Perhaps, perhaps not. That's something you need to ask yourself honestly.

As far as CCP goes, you must have considered at least that a company such as CCP must, by the very nature of the volatile market they are in, cater to the tastes of the gaming public they have not yet gathered ? CCP must make money in whatever way they can. A company must grow or die. They, just like you, have to adapt. They cannot keep everyone happy all of the time, that is just impossible. They have to make decisions based on their wallet, quite literally. Make most of the people happy most of the time, that's a rule they have to apply and probably do, knowingly or not.

Incarna was stark proof of this. I'm not going into all the details, as a vet you must be aware of the whole fiasco around that. It also came at a time when the economy, especially in Iceland, was pretty bad (it still is, worldwide). In brief, CCP were forced to comply with the needs and wants of the majority of the players and worked hard on releasing Crucible. Sure, there was some pretty bad fallout (no pun intended) from all of that, people were laid-off as other projects were shelved.

Like it or not, CCP listen to the majority of people. Fortunately, or unfortunately, the group you "fit" into is not the majority. There are many Eve veterans still playing this game for as long as you have and they have adapted and accepted and thus have no major gripes.

There are bugs to fix, there are systems to redesign and deploy (FW, Bounty to name two). These are not easy to design and will take a large amount of development time to get them to be acceptable to the majority of players. Note I wrote acceptable, not perfect. Such systems in an MMO can never be perfect, you can never keep the entire playerbase appeased, but you can keep the majority appeased. In the interim, there will always be bugs, old and new. These too have to be addressed and by and large, a decent amount have been addressed in the release of Crucible. In no way are all of the bugs and issues resolved, it's an ongoing process.

With regards PLEX in this MMO. With respect, but it is an essential, no, critical part of Eve for one very simple reason - CCP needs the cash, fullstop. Players want PLEX, players want ISK and more ISK to buy more things. If (the majority) of players where indeed earning the copious amounts of ISK you say they are from Level 4 missions, there would be very little need for PLEX as players would be forced to pay real money for subs, instead of earning the Plex. This PLEX issue is circular and has its' pro's and con's. You Like, I don't. I like, you don't - and so things go. It's a matter of acceptance, not just adapting. CCP must grow and to grow they need cash. Cash comes from a constant subscriber base as well as new subscriptions and PLEX.

I'm not even going to go into what the Nex store could potentially do to this game, suffice it to say that the majority of players who want WiS, want NeX. However, the majority of players who do not want WiS do not want NeX either. What to do ? For now, the best and only thing to do is to leave matters stand as they are and focus on FiS and fiction long-standing problems.

As a vet, you must appreciate the complexity of running such an MMO. It's not good for you feeling bad about what's going on - it doesn't "fit" completely with your expectations of what Eve should be, what is was to you in the past, in 2004.

In signing off, let me just say that it is far easier to insult and perjure in these forums than it is to enter into a reasonably intelligent conversation. That again is endemic to the Internet as a whole, not just Eve. Never take it seriously. It's a game, enjoy it or you don't. In feeling bad about it, you want it to be like it was when you enjoyed it, but in truth, it can never be the same again.

Peace, out
o/

Yea I know. I don't think it will get reversed myself. But I just needed to shout it out..

The thing is.. CCP themselves argued for the same reasons i do today for not having things like PLEX. I have talked to game masters and developers of Eve trough out the years (before PLEX) and they all seemed to have the same goal, the same concept and the same ideas about the game (without PLEX). What changed?

They also say that they wanted to make a different game. Eve was very very different. But today it looks like they just want Eve Online to fit as many people as possible, to make as much money as possible, so that they can develop the game to fit even more people. I don't like that. They should have a concept to follow, an idea and not just try to please everyone to make as much cash as possible. In the long run it will ruin the game as it has ruined other games.

you moved. lol. move more.