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A list from a bitter veteran. [Upppdated]
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Xoria Krint
The Angelic
#1 - 2011-12-19 16:22:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Xoria Krint
Ahoy fellow spaceship pilots. When I started to play Eve eight years ago i was looking forward to the future of Eve Online. I could imagine how cool it would be in a near future. Today, i wish Eve was rolled back to 2004, nothing is better 2011 (graphic is better, i admit).

Here, enjoy a bitter veterans list of anger.


  • CCP introduces new ships in Eve Online without fixing the old ones first, why? More ships is not always the solutions to your problem. If you wan't to make more ships, make more ship-roles first....

  • The forum (and the game) is getting populated by many new players that don't get the concept of Eve. Players that think you should earn ISK on losing ships and players that want to make Eve to just another MMORPG. The worst is, CCP seems to listen to them.

  • Many pilots from the past that has been giving CCP much constructive criticism and has been the voice of the scums of Eve has been banned from the forums, maybe it's time to unban some of these players from the forums and give some room for even more bitter veterans.

  • PLEX is ruining the whole game (imo it's just really stupid to release PLEX in a game that is supposed to be sandbox, PLEX for Gametime could be an option rather then todays model)

  • The scums of Eve (pirates, scammers etc) has been nerfed year after year without getting anything back. It's time to throw a bone to the scums. Black market? Implant scanning? A working bounty system? Eve is suppose to be harsh. And it's NOT harsh enough

  • Eve is about risk vs reward. Level IV missions in Empire is not risk vs reward (it's done AFK, CCP). Also, it would get lowsec more populated if all the level 4 agents where moved to low security space. Get. It. Done. (trading in Empire is a completely different story, since there is a hell of a lot of risk in some trades.) The more money, the more risk. Simple.. Alternative: Fix so that you can't make missions while AFK (or is that intended?). Ratting in zero space, same story there. Broken (but at least it's open PvP)

  • CCP is too nice to the players and just gives them everything they want nowadays, and that's the wrong move. Sometimes it feels like CCP has lost the concept of Eve themselves. Greed is always destroying concept and ideas.

  • Ban the bots, ban the bots, Please CCP, atlest ban one bot? For me? They are ruining the economy.

  • Cheating is more common then you might think in Eve (modifications of the game client). Fix that.

  • ISK SINKS?!?

  • The selling of characters for ISK should be against the EULA.

  • Make moon goo dynamic (be able to run out, but also "pop" up at new places)


A call to arms to all the bitter veterans. It's time to take the forum and the game back.


Here - let me answer the first posts in advance:

Q: U mad bro?
A: Yes i'm mad, mad as hell. Give me my game back.Bear

Q: Can I have your stuff?
A: What stuff? I share my girlfriend if you are interested? Best. Stuff. Ever.

Q: Adapt or die
A: I have adapted for eight years in Eve. I will probably continue to do so. This has nothing to do with that, this is about the core concept of Eve Online. CCP needs to make a statement on this. Have they changed the concept of Eve? I for one would like to know.

Please give me comments on my bad grammar.
I'm outta here.
Famble
Three's a Crowd
#2 - 2011-12-19 16:24:51 UTC
Your lawn, I'm pooping.

If anyone ever looks at you and says,_ "Hold my beer, watch this,"_  you're probably going to want to pay attention.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-12-19 16:25:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
I like PLEXes.. thanks..

I understand your pain but moving back to the "glory days" will also means the number of subscription droped to the level or even lower of those "glory days" In the end scammers and scum as you call them would leave too since no more targets for them.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#4 - 2011-12-19 16:25:25 UTC
Is your girlfriend good looking?

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Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
Xoria Krint
The Angelic
#5 - 2011-12-19 16:29:09 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
I like PLEXes.. thanks..

I understand your pain but moving back to the "glory days" will also means the number of subscription droped to the level or even lower of those "glory days" In the end scammers and scum as you call them would leave too since no more targets for them.

I understand that you like PLEX. I have used them myself and understand that they are easy to like. But there is no room for an item like PLEX in a sandbox game. You should not be able to buy yourself ingame currency for real money. You should work for your ISK or you won't value them.

Crumplecorn wrote:
Is your girlfriend good looking?

Of curse, who chooses an ugly girlfriend?
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-12-19 16:30:32 UTC
Xoria Krint wrote:


Crumplecorn wrote:
Is your girlfriend good looking?

Of curse, who chooses an ugly girlfriend?


The one who dont have an option to chose ? And just takes whatever comes along.
Ivy Sunkiller
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2011-12-19 16:30:54 UTC
Xoria Krint wrote:
The forum (and the game) is getting populated by many new players that don't get the concept of Eve. Players that think you should earn ISK on losing ships and players that want to make Eve to just another MMORPG. The worst is, CCP seems to listen to them.


You make it sound like getting more players and making a popular game is a bad thing for the company.

(no, I don't think you should get ISK for losing in PvP).
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-12-19 16:31:13 UTC
Same **** different day... Why play the game if you don't like it?

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Ghoest
#9 - 2011-12-19 16:31:46 UTC
Im a vet.
Im enjoying plex.

I like playing for free.

Wherever You Went - Here You Are
Hauling Hal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-12-19 16:31:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Hauling Hal
Xoria Krint
wrote:
Q: Adapt or die
A: I have adapted for eight years in Eve


Obviously, you haven't, otherwise you wouldn't be crying on the forums.

Are bitter vet tears worth more or less on the market than pirate tears, although the forum does seem to be flooded with both at the moment (pun intended)?
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#11 - 2011-12-19 16:34:50 UTC
Also vet. Also like PLEX.

Enjoy WoW

...obligatory 'can haz stuffs?'

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Luh Windan
green fish hat bang bang
#12 - 2011-12-19 16:37:27 UTC
It *sounds* like you don't want other people competing by having lots of isk.

is there any *evidence* for any of the things you are claiming? or is this just received wisdom?
Taint
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-12-19 16:38:57 UTC
exept from the plex hate you have there, i would agree :)
Fix My Lasers
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-12-19 16:41:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Fix My Lasers
Xoria Krint wrote:
Eve is about risk vs reward. Level IV missions in Empire is not risk vs reward (it's done AFK, CCP). Also, it would get lowsec more populated if all the level 4 agents where moved to low security space. Get. It. Done. (trading in Empire is a completely different story, since there is a hell of a lot of risk in some trades.) The more money, the more risk. Simple.. Alternative: Fix so that you can't make missions while AFK (or is that intended?).


When I started reading your post I thought you're smart. When I ended reading the thing I just quoted I stopped because you're no-brainer.

Bring back Blaze and Lux crystals! http://eve.battleclinic.com/item/i12812-Blaze-L-details.html http://eve.battleclinic.com/item/i12832-Lux-L-details.html
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#15 - 2011-12-19 16:41:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Akrasjel Lanate
Xoria Krint wrote:
Ahoy fellow spaceship pilots. When I started to play Eve eight years ago i was looking forward to the future of Eve Online. I could imagine how cool it would be in a near future. Today, i wish Eve was rolled back to 2004, nothing is better 2011 (graphic is better, i admit).

Here, enjoy a bitter veterans list of anger.


  • CCP introduces new ships in Eve Online without fixing the old ones first, why? More ships is not always the solutions to your problem. If you wan't to make more ships, make more ship-roles first....

  • The forum (and the game) is getting populated by many new players that don't get the concept of Eve. Players that think you should earn ISK on losing ships and players that want to make Eve to just another MMORPG. The worst is, CCP seems to listen to them.

  • Many pilots from the past that has been giving CCP much constructive critic and has been the voice of the scums of Eve has been banned from the forums, maybe it's time to unban some of these players from the forums and give some room for even more bitter veterans.

  • PLEX is ruining the whole game (imo it's just really stupid to release PLEX in a game that is supposed to be sandbox)

  • The scums of Eve (pirates, scammers etc) has been nerfed year after year without getting anything back. It's time to throw a bone to the scums. Black market? Implant scanning? A working bounty system? Eve is suppose to be cruel. And it's NOT cruel enough

  • Eve is about risk vs reward. Level IV missions in Empire is not risk vs reward (it's done AFK, CCP). Also, it would get lowsec more populated if all the level 4 agents where moved to low security space. Get. It. Done. (trading in Empire is a completely different story, since there is a hell of a lot of risk in some trades.) The more money, the more risk. Simple.. Alternative: Fix so that you can't make missions while AFK (or is that intended?).

  • CCP is too nice to the players and just gives them everything they want nowadays, and that's the wrong move. Sometimes it feels like CCP has lost the concept of Eve themselves. Greed is always destroying concept and ideas.

  • Ban the bots, ban the bots, Please CCP, atlest ban one bot? For me? They are ruining the economy.

  • Cheating is more common then you might think in Eve (modifications of the game client). Fix that.

  • ISK SINKS?!?

A call to arms to all the bitter veterans. It's time to take the forum and the game back.


Here - let me answer the first posts in advance:

Q: U mad bro?
A: Yes i'm mad, mad as hell. Give me my game back.

Q: Can I have your stuff?
A: What stuff? I share my girlfriend if you are interested? Best. Stuff. Ever.

Q: Adapt or die
A: I have adapted for eight years in Eve. I will probably continue to do so. This has nothing to do with that, this is about the core concept of Eve Online. CCP needs to make a statement on this. Have they changed the concept of Eve? I for one would like to know.

Please give me comments on my bad grammar.
I'm outta here.


Haters gona hate

Grow UP

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Xoria Krint
The Angelic
#16 - 2011-12-19 16:41:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Xoria Krint
Ivy Sunkiller wrote:
Xoria Krint wrote:
The forum (and the game) is getting populated by many new players that don't get the concept of Eve. Players that think you should earn ISK on losing ships and players that want to make Eve to just another MMORPG. The worst is, CCP seems to listen to them.


You make it sound like getting more players and making a popular game is a bad thing for the company.

(no, I don't think you should get ISK for losing in PvP).

The problem is that greed destroys concept and ideas. CCP had a really nice concept for Eve. Many of the devs came from Ultima Online. They wanted to make a game like that themselves. With the freedom and the sandbox feeling, without PLEX.

They are giving up there concept. So i'm thinking, whats the concept of Eve now? Whats your vision CCP? A dumbed downed universe with sims characters thats buying themselves to power for IRL cash? With 1000 ship types and no roles? 1000 half done features?

Making a popular game is never a good thing. Popular games tend to try to fit everyone. There is tons of games like that out there. Why not make something different?
Fix My Lasers wrote:
Xoria Krint wrote:
Eve is about risk vs reward. Level IV missions in Empire is not risk vs reward (it's done AFK, CCP). Also, it would get lowsec more populated if all the level 4 agents where moved to low security space. Get. It. Done. (trading in Empire is a completely different story, since there is a hell of a lot of risk in some trades.) The more money, the more risk. Simple.. Alternative: Fix so that you can't make missions while AFK (or is that intended?).


When I started reading your post I thought you're smart. When I ended reading the thing I just quoted I stopped reading because you're no brainer.

Please try to make a constructive post. Is that to much to ask?...... Why don't you agree with what I wrote above?
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#17 - 2011-12-19 16:42:12 UTC
Ghoest wrote:

...
Im enjoying plex.

I like playing for free.

+1

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#18 - 2011-12-19 16:46:11 UTC
Xoria Krint wrote:
I understand that you like PLEX. I have used them myself and understand that they are easy to like. But there is no room for an item like PLEX in a sandbox game. You should not be able to buy yourself ingame currency for real money. You should work for your ISK or you won't value them.
You will always be able to RMT. PLEX just makes sure CCP gets the money.

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Xoria Krint
The Angelic
#19 - 2011-12-19 16:48:25 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Xoria Krint wrote:
I understand that you like PLEX. I have used them myself and understand that they are easy to like. But there is no room for an item like PLEX in a sandbox game. You should not be able to buy yourself ingame currency for real money. You should work for your ISK or you won't value them.
You will always be able to RMT. PLEX just makes sure CCP gets the money.

People did RTM before PLEX, that's true. But it was bannable and few people did it. And let me repeat myself, it's about the concept. The concept of a sandbox game. CCP should make it clear that RTM is against the EULA. The devaluation of ISK is just sad.
mirel yirrin
Ore Mongers
#20 - 2011-12-19 16:48:35 UTC
Stop making Bittervets look bad Xoria! We're supposed to be seen and not heard P

Darius III for CSM! Or your money back!
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