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Was the destruction of Nouvelle Rouvenor necessary?

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Diana Kim
Kenshin Katana.
United Caldari Space Command.
#281 - 2016-06-23 01:52:29 UTC
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
To be fair I only intend to when my people are brought up, I think half (or atleast a notable amount of times) my views are just seen that way even though I'm merely playing devil's advocate.

Then again this statement will probably be viewed as a troll..... Doncha just love catch 22s?


I've never quite understood why Kim hates the Minmatar & is so rude about us. I mean the Republic is an ally of the Federation but that's more a matter of political convenience and having something to persuade the Empire not to roll right over us.

I certainly don't need to hate someone to fight them. I just have to believe that the fight is worth it.

Well, I can easily explain it with my experience.

I have never met any minmatar before I become a capsuleer. Of course I knew about their existence, that there is some sort of Minmatar Republic on other end of our cluster, and there live Minmatar people, who fly ships on fission reactors (I just liked physics in the academy) and use chemical-propelled weaponry. I was slightly fascinated by dangers they encounter daily by using such technologies but I never really know anything about these peoples themselves.

After I was dumped into space, I was somewhat disappointed by minmatars, because I saw them wearing indecent clothes, showing open skin and having these ridiculous paintings on their faces, not speaking about other parts of bodies, that they were even eagerly showing, that was making me feeling incredibly uncomfortable. Still, it didn't earn them my rudeness, I tried to behave towards them politely and respectfully.

The real reason in my rudeness towards them lies in more direct interactions. Well, of course I have met quite a few of them when I was serving Her Majesty for about one year in 24th's crusade. Though these were TLF members and I have treated them as I treat all other enemies of the State.

Unfortunately, all my interactions with minmatar people outside of their TLF organizations wasn't pleasant as well. Those, whom I have considered good people, all of them have shown their sides that... well, that was prevented me from treating them as people at all. There was Ayallahs, Literias, and many others, who would just come out to speak lies about me.

In short, the reason of my hatred towards minmatar people lies in minmatar capsuleers, whom I have interacted with.

Have I answered your question?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#282 - 2016-06-23 02:43:52 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
To be fair I only intend to when my people are brought up, I think half (or atleast a notable amount of times) my views are just seen that way even though I'm merely playing devil's advocate.

Then again this statement will probably be viewed as a troll..... Doncha just love catch 22s?


I've never quite understood why Kim hates the Minmatar & is so rude about us. I mean the Republic is an ally of the Federation but that's more a matter of political convenience and having something to persuade the Empire not to roll right over us.

I certainly don't need to hate someone to fight them. I just have to believe that the fight is worth it.

Well, I can easily explain it with my experience.

I have never met any minmatar before I become a capsuleer. Of course I knew about their existence, that there is some sort of Minmatar Republic on other end of our cluster, and there live Minmatar people, who fly ships on fission reactors (I just liked physics in the academy) and use chemical-propelled weaponry. I was slightly fascinated by dangers they encounter daily by using such technologies but I never really know anything about these peoples themselves.

After I was dumped into space, I was somewhat disappointed by minmatars, because I saw them wearing indecent clothes, showing open skin and having these ridiculous paintings on their faces, not speaking about other parts of bodies, that they were even eagerly showing, that was making me feeling incredibly uncomfortable. Still, it didn't earn them my rudeness, I tried to behave towards them politely and respectfully.

The real reason in my rudeness towards them lies in more direct interactions. Well, of course I have met quite a few of them when I was serving Her Majesty for about one year in 24th's crusade. Though these were TLF members and I have treated them as I treat all other enemies of the State.

Unfortunately, all my interactions with minmatar people outside of their TLF organizations wasn't pleasant as well. Those, whom I have considered good people, all of them have shown their sides that... well, that was prevented me from treating them as people at all. There was Ayallahs, Literias, and many others, who would just come out to speak lies about me.

In short, the reason of my hatred towards minmatar people lies in minmatar capsuleers, whom I have interacted with.

Have I answered your question?


Now, I don't want to upset you. But have you ever stopped to consider (and bear with me on this one) that with so many people acting that way towards you, that maybe you are the problem? Not that I'm saying that there is anything wrong with being formal or patrotic, just, maybe turn it down a noch or two and get some thicker skin.... metaphorically speaking. You have a habit of attacking anyone (verbally or physically) who would point out a character flaw you have or made a remark that challenges your world view instead of reflecting on it and allowing yourself to try and see from their perspective. It makes you rather disagreeable and it's easier to just poke fun at you instead of trying to engage in any serious disscussion as we already know that you're unwilling to try to reach an agreeable compromise....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#283 - 2016-06-23 03:02:19 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
To be fair I only intend to when my people are brought up, I think half (or atleast a notable amount of times) my views are just seen that way even though I'm merely playing devil's advocate.

Then again this statement will probably be viewed as a troll..... Doncha just love catch 22s?


I've never quite understood why Kim hates the Minmatar & is so rude about us. I mean the Republic is an ally of the Federation but that's more a matter of political convenience and having something to persuade the Empire not to roll right over us.

I certainly don't need to hate someone to fight them. I just have to believe that the fight is worth it.

Well, I can easily explain it with my experience.

I have never met any minmatar before I become a capsuleer. Of course I knew about their existence, that there is some sort of Minmatar Republic on other end of our cluster, and there live Minmatar people, who fly ships on fission reactors (I just liked physics in the academy) and use chemical-propelled weaponry. I was slightly fascinated by dangers they encounter daily by using such technologies but I never really know anything about these peoples themselves.

After I was dumped into space, I was somewhat disappointed by minmatars, because I saw them wearing indecent clothes, showing open skin and having these ridiculous paintings on their faces, not speaking about other parts of bodies, that they were even eagerly showing, that was making me feeling incredibly uncomfortable. Still, it didn't earn them my rudeness, I tried to behave towards them politely and respectfully.

The real reason in my rudeness towards them lies in more direct interactions. Well, of course I have met quite a few of them when I was serving Her Majesty for about one year in 24th's crusade. Though these were TLF members and I have treated them as I treat all other enemies of the State.

Unfortunately, all my interactions with minmatar people outside of their TLF organizations wasn't pleasant as well. Those, whom I have considered good people, all of them have shown their sides that... well, that was prevented me from treating them as people at all. There was Ayallahs, Literias, and many others, who would just come out to speak lies about me.

In short, the reason of my hatred towards minmatar people lies in minmatar capsuleers, whom I have interacted with.

Have I answered your question?


Now, I don't want to upset you. But have you ever stopped to consider (and bear with me on this one) that with so many people acting that way towards you, that maybe you are the problem? Not that I'm saying that there is anything wrong with being formal or patrotic, just, maybe turn it down a noch or two and get some thicker skin.... metaphorically speaking. You have a habit of attacking anyone (verbally or physically) who would point out a character flaw you have or made a remark that challenges your world view instead of reflecting on it and allowing yourself to try and see from their perspective. It makes you rather disagreeable and it's easier to just poke fun at you instead of trying to engage in any serious disscussion as we already know that you're unwilling to try to reach an agreeable compromise....


I think it's more of an issue of generalizing a whole group of people based on the interactions of a few..... I don't recall her ever saying any of us were good people though a select few I recall hearing about constantly.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#284 - 2016-06-23 03:10:50 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
To be fair I only intend to when my people are brought up, I think half (or atleast a notable amount of times) my views are just seen that way even though I'm merely playing devil's advocate.

Then again this statement will probably be viewed as a troll..... Doncha just love catch 22s?


I've never quite understood why Kim hates the Minmatar & is so rude about us. I mean the Republic is an ally of the Federation but that's more a matter of political convenience and having something to persuade the Empire not to roll right over us.

I certainly don't need to hate someone to fight them. I just have to believe that the fight is worth it.

Well, I can easily explain it with my experience.

I have never met any minmatar before I become a capsuleer. Of course I knew about their existence, that there is some sort of Minmatar Republic on other end of our cluster, and there live Minmatar people, who fly ships on fission reactors (I just liked physics in the academy) and use chemical-propelled weaponry. I was slightly fascinated by dangers they encounter daily by using such technologies but I never really know anything about these peoples themselves.

After I was dumped into space, I was somewhat disappointed by minmatars, because I saw them wearing indecent clothes, showing open skin and having these ridiculous paintings on their faces, not speaking about other parts of bodies, that they were even eagerly showing, that was making me feeling incredibly uncomfortable. Still, it didn't earn them my rudeness, I tried to behave towards them politely and respectfully.

The real reason in my rudeness towards them lies in more direct interactions. Well, of course I have met quite a few of them when I was serving Her Majesty for about one year in 24th's crusade. Though these were TLF members and I have treated them as I treat all other enemies of the State.

Unfortunately, all my interactions with minmatar people outside of their TLF organizations wasn't pleasant as well. Those, whom I have considered good people, all of them have shown their sides that... well, that was prevented me from treating them as people at all. There was Ayallahs, Literias, and many others, who would just come out to speak lies about me.

In short, the reason of my hatred towards minmatar people lies in minmatar capsuleers, whom I have interacted with.

Have I answered your question?


Now, I don't want to upset you. But have you ever stopped to consider (and bear with me on this one) that with so many people acting that way towards you, that maybe you are the problem? Not that I'm saying that there is anything wrong with being formal or patrotic, just, maybe turn it down a noch or two and get some thicker skin.... metaphorically speaking. You have a habit of attacking anyone (verbally or physically) who would point out a character flaw you have or made a remark that challenges your world view instead of reflecting on it and allowing yourself to try and see from their perspective. It makes you rather disagreeable and it's easier to just poke fun at you instead of trying to engage in any serious disscussion as we already know that you're unwilling to try to reach an agreeable compromise....


I think it's more of an issue of generalizing a whole group of people based on the interactions of a few..... I don't recall her ever saying any of us were good people though a select few I recall hearing about constantly.

There's that too.....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Arnulf Ogunkoya
Clan Ogunkoya
Electus Matari
#285 - 2016-06-23 17:52:36 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
I've never quite understood why Kim hates the Minmatar & is so rude about us. I mean the Republic is an ally of the Federation but that's more a matter of political convenience and having something to persuade the Empire not to roll right over us.

I certainly don't need to hate someone to fight them. I just have to believe that the fight is worth it.

Well, I can easily explain it with my experience.

I have never met any minmatar before I become a capsuleer. Of course I knew about their existence, that there is some sort of Minmatar Republic on other end of our cluster, and there live Minmatar people, who fly ships on fission reactors (I just liked physics in the academy) and use chemical-propelled weaponry. I was slightly fascinated by dangers they encounter daily by using such technologies but I never really know anything about these peoples themselves.

After I was dumped into space, I was somewhat disappointed by minmatars, because I saw them wearing indecent clothes, showing open skin and having these ridiculous paintings on their faces, not speaking about other parts of bodies, that they were even eagerly showing, that was making me feeling incredibly uncomfortable. Still, it didn't earn them my rudeness, I tried to behave towards them politely and respectfully.

The real reason in my rudeness towards them lies in more direct interactions. Well, of course I have met quite a few of them when I was serving Her Majesty for about one year in 24th's crusade. Though these were TLF members and I have treated them as I treat all other enemies of the State.

Unfortunately, all my interactions with minmatar people outside of their TLF organizations wasn't pleasant as well. Those, whom I have considered good people, all of them have shown their sides that... well, that was prevented me from treating them as people at all. There was Ayallahs, Literias, and many others, who would just come out to speak lies about me.

In short, the reason of my hatred towards minmatar people lies in minmatar capsuleers, whom I have interacted with.

Have I answered your question?


I see.

Well, I can't speak for the moral character of Matari you have had personal involvement with as I don't think I know any of them that well. However as to your observations about visible skin and tatoos.

As I understand it one of the main objections of the Caldari as a people to the conduct of the Gallente as a people is that they are trying to change and warp Caldari society and culture in ways that are unwelcome. Our culture includes displaying one's status and history on our skins. I'm sorry if that makes you uncomfortable but, surely you can respect our right to conduct ourselves as we see fit in our own territory? To do otherwise would be more than a little hypocritical, no?

Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.

Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#286 - 2016-06-24 20:29:55 UTC
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
I'm sorry if that makes you uncomfortable but, surely you can respect our right to conduct ourselves as we see fit in our own territory? To do otherwise would be more than a little hypocritical, no?


Diana Kim is definitely more than a little hypocritical.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

morion
Lighting Build
#287 - 2016-06-25 03:06:53 UTC
That's pretty hurtful Diana Kim.

Tribe have thick skin.

Stick those racist words in the trash my love.
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#288 - 2016-06-25 15:58:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Galente
Diana Kim wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Pilots;


As for acceptance, let me put forward a situation, Kim. The CEP has declared the Templis Dragonaur to be a terrorist group. The Caldari Navy has a standing order to engage terrorist groups.You encounter a Templis Dragonaur attacking a defenseless Gallente civilian convoy, and are the only force able to come to the aid of the civilians. Do you engage the Templis Dragonaur?


I will engage Templis Dragonaurs vessel only if I will receive direct order from a fleet commander or superior Protectorate or Navy officer to commence the attack.

However, the cituation that I will find myself in the area of operation of TD by accident is highly unlikely, and there's another option - that I was sent there to intercept a group. In that case I will engage TD vessels as well, but on condition that the targets will be specified explicitly (again, by a superior officer who will send me into the area), i.e. will be named as Templis Dragonaurs vessels, and not 'terrorist' or something like that.

And of course, in that case only after they finish their job.


Daily reminder that this was a thing Diana Kim said.

Diana, this is what you don't understand. Nobody lies about you because nobody needs to lie about you. You say these sort of things open-ended in highly public places. We all know what you are like. You're convincing nobody, you are the boy who cried wolf and you always will be.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Aradina Varren
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#289 - 2016-06-25 21:32:30 UTC
This thread is still happening. Let's recap.

Terrorism is okay, if you agree with it.

One of the dudes posting here claims to be over 200 hundred years old and wants to torture long, long dead people to death.

Jason is a man-whore(Not related. Simply worth stating.)

Diana is probably a sixteen year old with hormone problems and is still a racist.

I'm confused and bored and kinda hungry.

Did I miss anything?

Feels Pretty Soft to Me.

Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#290 - 2016-06-26 01:36:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Slayer Liberator
Aradina Varren wrote:
This thread is still happening. Let's recap.

Terrorism is okay, if you agree with it.

One of the dudes posting here claims to be over 200 hundred years old and wants to torture long, long dead people to death.

Jason is a man-whore(Not related. Simply worth stating.)

Diana is probably a sixteen year old with hormone problems and is still a racist.

I'm confused and bored and kinda hungry.

Did I miss anything?

I don't mean the ones directly responsible I mean the Provists who support their actions but on everything else you are correct
Diana Kim
Kenshin Katana.
United Caldari Space Command.
#291 - 2016-07-29 21:15:50 UTC
Aradina Varren wrote:
This thread is still happening. Let's recap.

Terrorism is okay, if you agree with it.

It might be okay from the common sense, but not okay for military professionals, like Caldari Navy and yours truly. It is a waste or resources and effort for dubious and insignificant gains.


Aradina Varren wrote:

Diana is probably a sixteen year old with hormone problems and is still a racist.

Definitely not.

Aradina Varren wrote:

I'm confused and bored and kinda hungry.

Did I miss anything?

The subject.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#292 - 2016-07-30 04:54:06 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Aradina Varren wrote:
This thread is still happening. Let's recap.

Terrorism is okay, if you agree with it.

It might be okay from the common sense, but not okay for military professionals, like Caldari Navy and yours truly. It is a waste or resources and effort for dubious and insignificant gains.


Aradina Varren wrote:

Diana is probably a sixteen year old with hormone problems and is still a racist.

Definitely not.

Aradina Varren wrote:

I'm confused and bored and kinda hungry.

Did I miss anything?

The subject.

Yea you are a hohormonal 18 year old who is DEFINITELY racist
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#293 - 2016-07-30 05:01:14 UTC
For the love of me, WHO WAS THE NECROMANCER THAT REVIVED THIS!?!

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#294 - 2016-07-30 05:06:26 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
For the love of me, WHO WAS THE NECROMANCER THAT REVIVED THIS!?!

Kim did it
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#295 - 2016-07-30 05:52:29 UTC
Slayer Liberator wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
For the love of me, WHO WAS THE NECROMANCER THAT REVIVED THIS!?!

Kim did it

ffs



*Sigh*

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#296 - 2016-07-30 06:00:22 UTC
Eh. Ignore it. She's just trying to rile people up in a minimalist way now that the CRC is actually trying to enforce its rules.

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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#297 - 2016-07-30 06:04:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Claudia Osyn
Makoto Priano wrote:
Eh. Ignore it. She's just trying to rile people up in a minimalist way now that the CRC is actually trying to enforce its rules.

Aux needs to lock this thread before it becomes **** storm all over again..... Or it's just going to sit at the top of my feed being click bait for those who can't resist.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#298 - 2016-07-30 06:24:51 UTC
Sad thing is (not really that sad but still) it probably won't get that bad due to just that....
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#299 - 2016-07-30 06:46:37 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Sad thing is (not really that sad but still) it probably won't get that bad due to just that....

Give it a day or two...

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Karina Ivanovich
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#300 - 2016-07-30 07:27:27 UTC
I would like to remind everyone that there are some Caldari that do not find the other races to be detestable. Most Caldari are welcoming of every race, including Gallenteans, as long as they also respect our own culture and customs.

Some call me insane. If the universe is sane, then I embrace that label.