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May release 118.5 - General feedback

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Alex Candelaire
Rested Distribution and Security
#41 - 2016-05-31 22:41:46 UTC
Adding my dislike of the new camera. What was the logic behind getting rid of the old one AND reducing functionality of the new one at the same time? I didn't mind skill injectors or NPC opportunities or jump fatigue but this is just ridiculous.
Midgard Inc.
#42 - 2016-05-31 23:40:27 UTC
I'm with the anti-camera group. These changes aren't wanted/needed.

As has always been the case, if it's not broke, don't fix it. Huge thumbs down CCP. Major disappoint here.
Felix Shoen
Retired Drug Dogs
#43 - 2016-06-01 01:19:49 UTC
When, just....WHEN will you listen to your customers and at least attempt to produce improvements/changes to this game that the customers (the ones who pay your salary) actually want? Some like the new camera. Most do not. For the past few months we have had the option of using either. This option has not cost you a thing to include in the game. You actually had to spend worker hours to REMOVE the option to use either camera. The fact that you now disabled the old camera even though many customers wanted it left in means you have not a clue how to run a service based company. The old adage "give the customer what he wants" is as true today as it was when the first person realized his business would grow by following it. Notice EVE is not growing. Maybe you should have a little talk with the programmers and put the old camera back in. That way, this customer does not go into an epileptic fit while trying to decloak a ship using a fast frigate.
Mykale Kwijybow
#44 - 2016-06-01 01:34:05 UTC
Another vote against the terrible new camera. I had it disabled the whole time it was an option and I will continue to avoid it at all costs. My biggest complaint is that it doesn't give the flexibility of the old camera. Why can't I just set the camera to track a target at whatever angle / position I want? If I can, why isn't the option easy to find in the camera UI like it used to be? These seem like basic requests that everyone wants, yet CCP continues to ignore everyone.

Ignoring your customer base leads to dissatisfied customers and ultimately a dying game ( *cough* World of Warcraft *cough* )

"Give a man a bullet and he'll want a gun. Give a man a gun and he'll give away bullets"

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#45 - 2016-06-01 01:59:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
See, i WANT a new well programmed camera. I just want it to feel like the old camera, the camera that not a single person has ever complained about, then add as many OPTIONS on top of that as you want.

The way CCP has handled this smacks of amateurism.
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
#46 - 2016-06-01 02:14:56 UTC
Meh. If CCP wants to force me out with their Nausea Cam then I'll give em what they want. Lived most of my life before I found internet space ships and I can live the rest the same way. "Adapt and overcome" indeed.

♪ They'll always be bloodclaws to me ♫

Mikkhi Kisht
Vanity Thy Name Is
#47 - 2016-06-01 03:19:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Mikkhi Kisht
I didn't agree with the Overview Icon changes. But was willing to wait for the customizable set as we, the paying customer base was promised. (still not in place, but neither is the return of Region Description flavor text! two years....)

I don't use the new map for my scanning. Since it's all pretty but severely lacking in functionability.

I only tolerated this new camera since the deal was several of it's short points would be addressed and changed before it becoming the only option.

That did not happen. It's still shiny form over useful function with vertigo hiding for a chance to strike again.

So CCP. You want new players to stay in the game, not give up. In the meantime you do just about everything you can think of to push the vets out with unneeded, unwanted changes for shiny change sake. Who gets to teach your R00kies then? How to play Eve, not just plunk down CC numbers for Plex, Aurum, to get at skill injectors? They'll have epic skills, to be sure.

With clue zero how to USE them.

For your sakes and ours, put the old camera back in, until you can iron out ALL the bugs, issues, lacks and complaints with this new shiny camera.

You knew this blowback was coming. That you did it anyways speaks volumes for how you view your 'bitter vets' customer base. You stick to your guns, I'll stick to mine. Game time only from me. I will not buy Plex, Aurum, and I will not use skill injectors on any of my accounts. After all you don't need all that extra income from little nobody me. You're practically minting cash between all the new players and the income glut from Valkyrie. Right....? Shocked
Aristide BriandIII
Lippstadt Creed
Solyaris Chtonium
#48 - 2016-06-01 04:11:58 UTC
Hate to nitpic on the new camera. However, can you restore the 1st person HUD pitch and roll indicators. I find it easier to fly with those on.
Dejara Thoris
Alea Iacta Est Universal
Blades of Grass
#49 - 2016-06-01 04:22:27 UTC
Somehow CCP managed to break the Skill Queue window for me in this release. I'm using my daily opportunities on a non-training alt and if I change its skill queue the game won't let me close the window, apply skill points, or just save the changes. I just get the "Please Buy Training" dialog, which when OK'd goes back to the unchanged skill queue. Before, if I pressed the "Apply" button, it would give me the dialog and save the changes, letting me do the other things. Now it doesn't.

As I've written elsewhere, I'm in the "Don't like the new camera" group. I'm slightly visually impaired, and the increased instability make it harder to use. At this point, given the new maps, camera, overlay, and scanners, I'm assuming that CCP only hires people with perfect corrected eyesight as UI devs. There is software to help with some accessibility issues, such as colour-blindness, but it is really hard to beat someone with the impairments actually using the UI.
Waegen Hoerford
The Fyrd
Silent Infinity
#50 - 2016-06-01 04:29:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Waegen Hoerford
I prefer the old camera. I just started using the new camera a couple of weeks ago (knowing the old one will be turned off soon), and have got use to it, but I still prefer the old camera. The main issue for me is; with the old camera you could click on a item in the overview or a bracket on screen and the camera would focus on that. I haven't used it, but the tracking button may do the same thing, but who has time to click on a button to change your view during combat? Also, the new camera was brought in as a trial - did CCP actually consult with users when they decided to make it a fixture and turn off the old camera? from the posts here it doesn't seem likely. I want to be playing EvE when I retire in 17 years time, but if CCP keep ignoring the player base like this, that's not likely either.
Rob Kashuken
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#51 - 2016-06-01 04:36:53 UTC
Question on the data/relic analyser combination thing - when CCP are in the process of running module tiericide to reduce the number of modules in the game, why introduce new modules that only come from drops, instead of merely merging the standard T1/T2 modules together?
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#52 - 2016-06-01 04:47:14 UTC
New camera is terrible. Please bring back the old camera.

\m/ O.o \m/

"You're a freak ..." - Solecist Project

CJ 'Husky' Ulmarck
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2016-06-01 06:03:18 UTC
Hopefully some useful feedback here instead of rage, but it seems the New Map may have had some issues in this release.

Whenever I open the "Jumps in the last hour" setting it tells me [no label: UI/Map/ColorModeHandler/JumpsLastHour]

I don't get this message for "number of pilots docked" or "ships destroyed in last 24 hours" however, so I don't think it is a problem with my client.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#54 - 2016-06-01 07:57:14 UTC
CJ 'Husky' Ulmarck wrote:
Hopefully some useful feedback here instead of rage, but it seems the New Map may have had some issues in this release.

Whenever I open the "Jumps in the last hour" setting it tells me [no label: UI/Map/ColorModeHandler/JumpsLastHour]

I don't get this message for "number of pilots docked" or "ships destroyed in last 24 hours" however, so I don't think it is a problem with my client.

Wow, stop raging.
Erebus 'TheChin' Sundance
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2016-06-01 08:39:04 UTC
Thanks for adding a pan ability in first person mode, I have been requesting this since it was introduced.

I'm glad to see you finally added the right click pan ability to the other modes, the zoom is not as far now, please extend it.

There are other issues with the new camera, but most of this thread is dealing with those...

+1 for adding a on/off toggle for pressing 'c' to track.

+1 for a slider for camera speed.

+1 for up/down speed to match left/right speed.

+1 for night vision and thermal modes.

+1 for hot pants.

Also, your patch notes did say we were going to get the upwell apparel, now they don't... however the eve updates for 118.5 does still suggest they will be included.

"Upwell Consortium Prizes

After the successful marketing of their new breed of structures, the Upwell Consortium is now happy to release branded apparel as rewards for those who took the time to support the recovery of research components from the Serpentis Corporation in January YC118.

This apparel will be deployed with the 118.5 release to all pilots who are eligible for the rewards."

Little Fawn
New Eden Reclamation
#56 - 2016-06-01 09:06:47 UTC
"Align with camera" for using D-scan with the solar system map is broken. When you move the camera and release the mouse button, the camera jumps randomly to another angle.
Killer NenYim
Nocturnal Tumescence
#57 - 2016-06-01 09:38:57 UTC
the new camera is unintuitive, and horrible to use in general, please give me the old one back
helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#58 - 2016-06-01 09:45:14 UTC  |  Edited by: helana Tsero
Little Fawn wrote:
"Align with camera" for using D-scan with the solar system map is broken. When you move the camera and release the mouse button, the camera jumps randomly to another angle.

Can confirm this. Dscan is broken using the solar system map. Align with camera, using the radial menu to 5 degree dscan a anomaly all randomly break. You can tell its broken because as the quoted person stated the camera randomly moves to another angle.

Missed several targets due to this bug that has been present for weeks.

"...ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new.... thats where eve is placed... not in cave."  | zoonr-Korsairs |

Meanwhile Citadel release issues: "tried to bug report this and the bug report is bugged as well" | Rafeau |

Darth Nenny
Nocturnal Tumescence
#59 - 2016-06-01 09:47:01 UTC
after updating my client today, i just spent a good 10 min trying to get the new camera to work.... let me point out that im yet to work out how to zoom out slowly so i don't feel sick in my guts, and that the overall experience have been CRAP!

please give the option to use old camera as this one is just total BS. as it makes me feel quite ill from playing. its highly possible ill just quit as i play for fun, not play to get sick...
Rainbow Child
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2016-06-01 10:04:41 UTC
As many others that wrote about camera ... please give us option to use old one or new ... or just erase new from game - maybe that camera is attractive to new not familiar with eve players only. It is not about players habit but functionality. Fighting 1vs x players now it is a nightmare!

The most horrible scenario now for me is a situation where the old map will be out of game. Please dont do that! I know it is so shiny and pretty but it will not cook me a dinner! :D I would kick her but from my apartment if she will be unable to scan a signature properly and fast ;). In such scenario going to play farmville instead of EVE would be a great option :D