EVE General Discussion

Oh good. Nullsec will become a wasteland again and I can use wormholes to get past the intel channels and go exploring in deep null without seeing another soul for weeks.

Yesssss... hundreds of tiny nullsec SOV pockets with different time zones with the ebb and flow of player interest makes nullsec great and empty again. I support carriers blapping small gangs easily because the carrier that cynos out to some edge zone to get kills on that gang is not AFK ratting in the system in which I'm scanning and hacking.

Because of course once that script "sees" someone else in local, they have to do something to protect that racket.


Ah the good old days - except there were no SoE ships back then. Heck the concept of SoE ships were just artwork by a player named Nova Fox and players begging for exploration ships. It took years to get them.


2016: Making nullsec great again.

(for me)

When are they going to nerf carriers? Well... Not before they nerf Svipuls!

Take that as you will!

I checked the last two days, assuming something recently got your goat enough to post on GD.

I thought you were heading towards commenting on cloaky campers, however if they drop carriers directly on people more fool them, because carriers now are better long range, note that the capital neuts work on sig radius so they don't completely overpower sub caps, you have to be prepared to escalate that drop. But how do they instra everything on field, fighters are just not that good, yes they can kill stuff fast but those fighters are very vulnerable.

To kill these carriers you have to go in with stufff to tank the fighters and some ships to rep them, you cannot use a kitchen sink fleet like before. It has to be brick tank T3's with logi.

Yes excessive dropping is an issue and has been an issue many times in this game, but all you need to do is make them scared to drop because you have a counter drop or you have set up to kill their drops with the right sub caps. Yes I know it is easier said then done, but carriers should not die to solo destroyers or gangs of destroyers and they have made carriers a viable fun ship.

Sounds like your issue has nothing to do with Carriers at all but with Cynos. Maybe you should repost requesting cynos to be nerfed?

Or... maybe you should consider carrying a cyno and have friends with caps nearby to respond should you need it. Also: not everyone has a Network Sensor Array fitted to their carrier.

So, when small gangs are pouncing on solo pvp'ers, that's okay, it's just bad luck of that poor soul.

When an evil nasty carrier pounces on a small gang, it's a game busting thing that needs nerfed?

I don't get the base logic you are using that says under a bil ISK small gang should be able to take on a 3+ bil ISK carrier. Money, skill and otherwise this makes no sense.

I don't care how good of a cruiser/battle cruiser group you have on the oceans today, you run up against a carrier and you're toast. In the modern Navy, the carrier protection task force isn't there to intercept other surface ships, the carrier can deal with those, it's there to create a detection buffer zone against submarines.

I don't see why EVE would be any different.

If you really want to stop this, you need to 'get even' with the carriers by hunting them down and killing them. They are costly enough that you'd only do that kind of roaming if you have the ISK to burn. Set traps for them, hit them with your corporation or alliance. They are sitting ducks once the fighters are down.

Eve becoming logical. Large ship defeats swarm of small ships. FINALLY!

Caldari S U P R E M A C Y

And I don't remember that at all! Gosh darn it!

Hold on. Wait. A Cap class ship is killing a small gang... and it's only allows to use fighters... damn i was reading the opposite so many times before... and now this.

2 falcons can very easily defang a carrier, already seen a few gangs killing carriers doing that, fighters are extremely sensitive to ewar

The fighters themselves are yes, but the Cap with a Networked Sensor Array is quite hard to jam, as it not only gives a 900% bonus to scan res (aka how Triage did) but also bonuses to Sensor Str like how a Sebo does now.

Remember the carrier is giving up the ability to use his own Ewar, like the new Heavy Scrams, that have some good range and VERY high warp disrupt (STR 8 for T2). Now that doesn't really matter when the cap can use a bubble on a gate and be a long ways off, but he is also far away from his fighters, meaning they wont be able to reload there ability easily (or at all depending on the range).

If the cap pilot is smart he will target and kill that falcon as soon as it hits grid, as does anyone when ECM shows up.





@OP

Carriers used to be jacks of all trades masters of none. They pretty much were one of two things, OMG LOGI!!!!!!!!!! or OMG DRONES!!!!!!!. Now they lost there major Logi part, so whats left is OMG FIGHTERS!!!!!! They can still pantheon but not as well as before (f u CCP for overnerfing that). There local reps got hit hard too, along with there EHP and everything. Hell a Carrier today is about the tank of 2-3 Battleships (600-700k EHP of caps now down from being 1mil+) that is before any armor plates/shield extenders and going pure resist tank like before the patch. Its not hard to take out a lone carrier with black ops/torp bombers, they go down pretty easily. A 8 man gang of cruisers getting a warpin on a lone carrier will tear it up before many of you die (yes SOME of you will die, that didn't change). T3 Cruisers can actually tank a carrier pretty damn well, I have had personally a hard time shooting a particular Tengu, never did kill him to find out his fit. So it IS possible to tank a cap, special ability and all.

In the new world of post Citadel patch, it will take time for scrubs like you to ADAPT to the new changes. Small gang PvP roams will always be around, the ships used just might change. HINT: There is are ECM frigates called the Griffin (T1) and Kitsune (T2) that wreck all kinds of havoc on fleets. They are CHEAP and easy to fly and are very good force multipliers.