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Dear CCP, consider changing daily reset to downtime instead after 22h
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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2016-05-27 12:50:59 UTC
I keep hearing this argument that it's a "tiny boost"

Do the math, it's an increase of 20%, that's not "tiny"

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#62 - 2016-05-27 13:09:08 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
The above logic makes no sense. I log on to do the things I enjoy until I'm satisfied, I shouldn't have to worry about my SP gain in the background nagging me like a bad migraine


You don't have to worry about it because even if you don't kill a single rat in the whole week, you will still get exactly as many SP as you would if this new feature had not been added. Your SP gain is still exactly the same as it was before.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2016-05-27 13:13:20 UTC
"you don't lose what you never had in the first place"

Flawed logic again and one of the dumbest things I've EVER heard anyone say.

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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#64 - 2016-05-27 13:18:16 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
"you don't lose what you never had in the first place"

Flawed logic again and one of the dumbest things I've EVER heard anyone say.


If you heard them say it, then you have voices in your head you might need looked at.

Writing that you heard it said is just as flawed.

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Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2016-05-27 13:59:04 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I keep hearing this argument that it's a "tiny boost"

Do the math, it's an increase of 20%, that's not "tiny"

Tiny is the amount you miss. You are doing stuff anyway so you just shoot a rat on the way. Maybe you miss out 1 or 2 per week: thats tiny. With Basic imps I get 420.000SP /week and I really don't care if I get +50,+60 or 70.000 on top from dailys. It's nice sure, but nothing I will loose sleep over if I miss them. If you really miss a big amount the question should be: why are you paying for EVE when you almost never log in?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#66 - 2016-05-27 14:02:39 UTC
Geronimo McVain wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I keep hearing this argument that it's a "tiny boost"

Do the math, it's an increase of 20%, that's not "tiny"

Tiny is the amount you miss. You are doing stuff anyway so you just shoot a rat on the way. Maybe you miss out 1 or 2 per week: thats tiny. With Basic imps I get 420.000SP /week and I really don't care if I get +50,+60 or 70.000 on top from dailys. It's nice sure, but nothing I will loose sleep over if I miss them. If you really miss a big amount the question should be: why are you paying for EVE when you almost never log in?


For the hourly SP they gain while not logged of course...
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#67 - 2016-05-27 14:04:03 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
"you don't lose what you never had in the first place"

Flawed logic again and one of the dumbest things I've EVER heard anyone say.



I wish I could fill my tax report with "lost" money I never had in the first place so I could get far enough in the red to get full reimbursement for what I paid over the year. Sadly, it is not recognized as a loss...
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2016-05-27 14:11:09 UTC
When the bar is set so low for such a significant boost, it becomes mandatory.

And your tax report analogy is so far off the mark it's not even relevant.

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#69 - 2016-05-27 14:11:45 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I keep hearing this argument that it's a "tiny boost"

Do the math, it's an increase of 20%, that's not "tiny"

It's a 20% increase if you were to do it every single day. By that logic, you're missing out on tons of ISK because you're unable to play for 23 hours a day because you can't do your favorite ISK making activity.

There is no difference here. You miss out on ISK because you can't play all the time. You miss out on SP because you can't play all the time.

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2016-05-27 14:37:12 UTC
by that logic you are dedicated every second of the day to making isk whereas this is an activity (however cumbersome) that takes minutes.

The fact is that the effort to reward ratio on this activity is completely out of whack, making it pretty mandatory for any pilot to take advantage of it.

Before the whole unique quality of this game was not penalising you for how much time you can spend on it in terms of your character progression. Now we are slowly moving towards the grind model, more time = more sp.

Skill injectors started the trend off, however this was fairly acceptable as it was a redistribution of SP and also added something to the market rather than creating SP from nothing.

These "dailies" have no other impact in the game apart from making an arbitrary activity give a significant advantage to the player who chooses to do so. People who cannot log in every day will resent this kind of game direction as it punishes them for having to adhere to other obligations out of eve.

People who even DO have the time to log in every day will resent this activity, as has been seen by many games who have adopted this style of daily mission. I played WoW for 5 years and I know how I feel about dailies after that.

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Dibz
Doomheim
#71 - 2016-05-27 15:22:57 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
What about kills? Could have gotten so many kills if you had just logged on more! Or what about ISK? Such an optimized ISK per hour but you missed out on it all because you couldn't log on and had a life! Damnit CCP why do you force this upon us! Stop forcing us to play your game!! Evil


I don't care about kills, nor am I all that bothered about optimal ISK per hour.

But every day I don't bother to log in and kill an NPC is roughly 4 hours added to my skill queue. Every 6 days I don't log in and kill an NPC is roughly one whole day extra added to my skill queue.

If we were talking about 15 minutes' worth of training per day then your "min-maxing to oblivion" comment wouldn't have been so wide of the mark. As it is, roughly 4 hours' worth of free SP per day is a big deal.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#72 - 2016-05-27 15:30:47 UTC
i'm sure the devs had their reasons in mind when they decided it to be 22h, not a whole day.
Dibz
Doomheim
#73 - 2016-05-27 15:37:00 UTC
Geronimo McVain wrote:
Tiny is the amount you miss. You are doing stuff anyway so you just shoot a rat on the way.


I huff gas in wormholes, where is the rat that is "on the way"?

Unless your definition of "on the way" is to spend extra time traveling to a 0.8 system or below and hop between asteroid belts until I'm lucky enough to find one that's not just full of wrecks, and then go back to what I actually wanted to do.
Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2016-05-27 16:04:47 UTC
Dibz wrote:
Geronimo McVain wrote:
Tiny is the amount you miss. You are doing stuff anyway so you just shoot a rat on the way.


I huff gas in wormholes, where is the rat that is "on the way"?

Unless your definition of "on the way" is to spend extra time traveling to a 0.8 system or below and hop between asteroid belts until I'm lucky enough to find one that's not just full of wrecks, and then go back to what I actually wanted to do.

If you are living in a WH you can rat with your buddies: They might want to have the SP too. If you are just visiting, search for an Level 1 Agent. Get Mission, kill rats and the next day you finisch the Mission, get new one.......
You neither need to loot nor do you need finish it in time. You can even get the Mission and kill just one rat per day till the Mission runs out or you killed all the rats, like some SP Cache.
Josef Djugashvilis
#75 - 2016-05-27 16:17:09 UTC
Matt Faithbringer wrote:
There is one main argument against it, that some people would just log in semi-daily before&after downtime and pick 20k SP during 20 minutes. Ok, some people would probably do that. Other people (like me) are at work and/or sleeping.

What would be positives? I plan on doing them in the morning, before going to work. Ok, why is that a problem? Because I have to alarm clock on the weekends not to destroy my schedule for monday. In general, switching between evening ratting to morning ratting and vice versa is pain in current system. You either need to miss one day or have ability to log during work or whatever you do during your day.

Does the positives outweighs the negatives? imho yes.

discuss.


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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#76 - 2016-05-27 18:02:27 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I played WoW for 5 years and I know how I feel about dailies after that.


You feel bad for having grinded reputations you though you needed but didn't actually need? Yeah I guess I would feel bad too if I did useless things in a game.
Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2016-05-27 18:18:03 UTC
BTW: I'm playing EVE because it's fun. I can live with the fact that I'm not the best, don't earn the most Money, don't fly the shiniest ship and I still have fun. Why do People always want to be the best and need to have everything. Have fun, and if you miss that ISK or SP or so be it. If your happiness depends no such things in EVE I doubt that your REALLY having fun in EVE. Fun in a game is more then the perfect killboard, the most ISK etc. It's about the fun of playing the game and not besting everyone else.
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#78 - 2016-05-27 22:55:34 UTC
Geronimo McVain wrote:
BTW: I'm playing EVE because it's fun. I can live with the fact that I'm not the best, don't earn the most Money, don't fly the shiniest ship and I still have fun. Why do People always want to be the best and need to have everything. Have fun, and if you miss that ISK or SP or so be it. If your happiness depends no such things in EVE I doubt that your REALLY having fun in EVE. Fun in a game is more then the perfect killboard, the most ISK etc. It's about the fun of playing the game and not besting everyone else.

It's that vocal sliver of min/max -ers that are complaining. The majority of players see it as 'just another thing in EvE.'

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Sepheir Sepheron
State War Academy
Caldari State
#79 - 2016-05-28 11:02:43 UTC
I agree with OP also. The idea is fine for logging in once per day to do this, I just don't like it being a certain time of the day rather than anytime during each individual day. +1
kardjaval
Curtana Joyeuse and Durendal Security
#80 - 2016-05-28 11:35:57 UTC
Wow...people are blowing up on you big time...as if they don't even understand what the annoyance is with this...

to all the guys BITCHING about this guy bringing up a perfectly valid complaint...care to explain to me HOW it daily opportunities would change if it was switched from a 22-hour cooldown to a reset at daily reset once per day deal.

the fact is, functionally...there would be little change