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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#81 - 2016-05-23 14:49:56 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Hey man, I've seen oceaneering contractors wearing hairnets and they pay those guys hourly.
And yet we all know the type of job I was referring to. Come now, let's not be deliberately obtuse.

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Maekchu
Doomheim
#82 - 2016-05-23 14:50:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Maekchu
Lucas Kell wrote:
Maekchu wrote:
How is this comment mature?
Looking down at other peoples professions is not really the prime example of someone being "mature". A job does not define you as a person and there are different factors that play into why someone has a particular job at a particular time.

I'm making a comment on the type of profession someone that likes to get high and finds badly drawn pictures of frogs with silly captions endlessly funny is likely to hold. A job doesn't define a person but what type of person you are certainly determines what type of job you will hold. Whether you're willing to admit it or not, if your long term career ends you up hourly paid and wearing a hairnet then you probably made a mistake or two along the way.

What research do you have that supports the notion that "higher payed jobs = a specific taste in humor"? I have met many different people both old and young, educated and non-educated make extensive use of memes in local.

What usually defines what job one holds, is their will to work and their own career ambitions. Career paths are just too individual in order to make a generalization like you did. Maybe someone decided to go on early retirement and take part-time with hourly wage, cause they worked their young adult life and are basically settled. Maybe someone just likes to have an hourly wage, cause that is what they believe is enough for them to have a happy life. Maybe someone is between jobs and just got a temporary job to get some income.

There are simply too many factors to categorize people based on their job.

People are different and they lead different lives in different contexts. Your generalization is so broad and inaccurate, that it is as ridiculous and untrue as comments such as "All Black people are thieves", "All Asians look alike" or "All White males are privileged".

The fact that you claim these forums to be more "mature" yet wrote this comment is very ironic.
Hawke Frost
#83 - 2016-05-23 15:02:03 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Hawke Frost wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Snagletooth Scott wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
Anyone who posts a negative opinion to the way the game is headed on Reddit gets downvoted to oblivion. That is why you won't see such posts, and it also makes others reluctant to post their honest opinion.


Aah, Reddit. Where Free Speech goes to die.


Freedom of speech includes the rights of the majority to silence ignore the opinion of the minority.

Just existing doesn't make you special.



Big difference.


Clearly you don't know how a democracy works, otherwise, how do you come across things like hate-speech? Sometimes if what you say is to incite violence or hatred, you find yourself arrested and in prison for quite a long time.

Welcome to the #realworld.


There are more sides to unpopular views than "hate speech", don't strawman.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#84 - 2016-05-23 15:07:50 UTC
Maekchu wrote:
What research do you have that supports the notion that "higher payed jobs = a specific taste in humor"? I have met many different people both old and young, educated and non-educated make extensive use of memes in local.
I'm sure you have, there's exceptions to every rule.

Maekchu wrote:
What usually defines what job one holds, is their will to work and their own career ambitions.
And how much weed they choose to smoke.

Maekchu wrote:
There are simply too many factors to categorize people based on their job.
You say that, but we do it all the time. Most of society has a image of what they think people in all types of job do, whether it's your opinion that street cleaners are under-educated or that bankers and lawyers are fueled by greed. It's all a generalisation and in many cases not entirely true, but it's a good enough, and more importantly well known enough, example to use to make a point.

Maekchu wrote:
People are different and they lead different lives in different contexts. Your generalization is so broad and inaccurate, that it is as ridiculous and untrue as comments such as "All Black people are thieves", "All Asians look alike" or "All White males are privileged".
You're mixing generalisations and stereotypes. The difference is slight, but there is a difference.

Maekchu wrote:
The fact that you claim these forums to be more "mature" yet wrote this comment is very ironic.
That would be the intention. I post on reddit too.

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Maekchu
Doomheim
#85 - 2016-05-23 15:30:05 UTC
Let us just agree to disagree then Lucas, cause it is clear to me that we hold two different views of society and individuals. A discussion wouldn't really lead to anything.

But personally, I would consider a person who looks down on someone purely based on their job as "immature". I found your initial comment ironic, which is why I responded to it, given you being in favor of the eve forums being much more mature than reddit.

In the end, my opinion on eve forums vs r/eve is that it honestly is a pointless comparison. Both mediums have their share of bad posts and brilliant posts. Use what you find comfortable to use yourself. I also support CCP gathering information/player feedback from more than only the official forums. Having more diverse feedback gives them a more nuanced picture of their game and provides more data for them to work with.
Davian Thule Pirkibo
Black Rabbits
Black Rabbit.
#86 - 2016-05-23 15:39:24 UTC
This thread went from seeing a big difference in ideals of eve forums and r eve to someone comparing r eve to trump supporters, who don't have good jobs or likely do not, to all manner of generalisation of tens of thousands of people on there to a debate regarding societal views.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#87 - 2016-05-23 15:52:17 UTC
Maekchu wrote:
Let us just agree to disagree then Lucas, cause it is clear to me that we hold two different views of society and individuals. A discussion wouldn't really lead to anything.
Potentially, though I think if you were to be honest with yourself you are aware of many generalisations around people's employment. I mean who do you think is more likely to be physically stronger, a bricklayer or a banker?

Maekchu wrote:
But personally, I would consider a person who looks down on someone purely based on their job as "immature". I found your initial comment ironic, which is why I responded to it, given you being in favor of the eve forums being much more mature than reddit.
So would I, but seeing that I'm a reddit poster, and that I'm not looking down on the job, simply making an observation about a type of person. An observation made quite commonly I might add.

Maekchu wrote:
In the end, my opinion on eve forums vs r/eve is that it honestly is a pointless comparison. Both mediums have their share of bad posts and brilliant posts. Use what you find comfortable to use yourself. I also support CCP gathering information/player feedback from more than only the official forums. Having more diverse feedback gives them a more nuanced picture of their game and provides more data for them to work with.
There we will have to disagree. r/eve is biased in favour of the groups that run it. If CCP were to start posting info first onto something awful forums, people would explode with rage about how CCP are working with goons. Working with TEST is apparently fine.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#88 - 2016-05-23 15:53:21 UTC
Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote:
This thread went from seeing a big difference in ideals of eve forums and r eve to someone comparing r eve to trump supporters, who don't have good jobs or likely do not, to all manner of generalisation of tens of thousands of people on there to a debate regarding societal views.
See? And some people still have the nerve to say these forums aren't interesting! P

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Davian Thule Pirkibo
Black Rabbits
Black Rabbit.
#89 - 2016-05-23 16:10:25 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Maekchu wrote:
Let us just agree to disagree then Lucas, cause it is clear to me that we hold two different views of society and individuals. A discussion wouldn't really lead to anything.
Potentially, though I think if you were to be honest with yourself you are aware of many generalisations around people's employment. I mean who do you think is more likely to be physically stronger, a bricklayer or a banker?

Maekchu wrote:
But personally, I would consider a person who looks down on someone purely based on their job as "immature". I found your initial comment ironic, which is why I responded to it, given you being in favor of the eve forums being much more mature than reddit.
So would I, but seeing that I'm a reddit poster, and that I'm not looking down on the job, simply making an observation about a type of person. An observation made quite commonly I might add.

Maekchu wrote:
In the end, my opinion on eve forums vs r/eve is that it honestly is a pointless comparison. Both mediums have their share of bad posts and brilliant posts. Use what you find comfortable to use yourself. I also support CCP gathering information/player feedback from more than only the official forums. Having more diverse feedback gives them a more nuanced picture of their game and provides more data for them to work with.
There we will have to disagree. r/eve is biased in favour of the groups that run it. If CCP were to start posting info first onto something awful forums, people would explode with rage about how CCP are working with goons. Working with TEST is apparently fine.

We are a minority group on r eve
Kai Loom
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2016-05-23 16:57:35 UTC
Why do CCP post on /r/eve?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/about/traffic/

Nearly 600k uniques a month
15 mil page views a month
800k page views a day

The fact that CCP has access to a demographic which a portion of DOES NOT subscribe to the game is a real boon here, weed smokers or not.

/r/eve is a PR tool whether you like it or not.
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2016-05-23 17:23:41 UTC
Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Maekchu wrote:
Let us just agree to disagree then Lucas, cause it is clear to me that we hold two different views of society and individuals. A discussion wouldn't really lead to anything.
Potentially, though I think if you were to be honest with yourself you are aware of many generalisations around people's employment. I mean who do you think is more likely to be physically stronger, a bricklayer or a banker?

Maekchu wrote:
But personally, I would consider a person who looks down on someone purely based on their job as "immature". I found your initial comment ironic, which is why I responded to it, given you being in favor of the eve forums being much more mature than reddit.
So would I, but seeing that I'm a reddit poster, and that I'm not looking down on the job, simply making an observation about a type of person. An observation made quite commonly I might add.

Maekchu wrote:
In the end, my opinion on eve forums vs r/eve is that it honestly is a pointless comparison. Both mediums have their share of bad posts and brilliant posts. Use what you find comfortable to use yourself. I also support CCP gathering information/player feedback from more than only the official forums. Having more diverse feedback gives them a more nuanced picture of their game and provides more data for them to work with.
There we will have to disagree. r/eve is biased in favour of the groups that run it. If CCP were to start posting info first onto something awful forums, people would explode with rage about how CCP are working with goons. Working with TEST is apparently fine.

We are a minority group on r eve

Yea, you got edged out by Horde.


"Who run r/Eve?"- Pandemic Horde.

"Damn it, you said no more downvote brigades!" - reddit.

"Who run r/Eve?"- Pandemic Horde.

"Horde run r/Eve."- reddit.

"Say again, louder." - Pandemic Horde, flips on PA speakers.

"Pandemic Horde!" - reddit.

"Pandemic Horde, what?" - PH

"Pandemic Horde, run r/Eve." reddit

"Downvote brigade, lifted." PH


"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#92 - 2016-05-23 17:41:54 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The main difference between here and Reddit is that on Reddit I have made points and inquiries in threads the a dev would reply to within the day, either directly or in the reply chain, whereas here in the "official" forums we can have 50 pages of people begging for some clarity or any kind of answer on any kind of topic and get absolutely nothing (save for editing from an ISD because they won't kick out the trolls).

Devs on EVE forums are like eagles: We don't have them anymore...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#93 - 2016-05-23 18:14:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The main difference between here and Reddit is that on Reddit I have made points and inquiries in threads the a dev would reply to within the day, either directly or in the reply chain, whereas here in the "official" forums we can have 50 pages of people begging for some clarity or any kind of answer on any kind of topic and get absolutely nothing (save for editing from an ISD because they won't kick out the trolls).

Devs on EVE forums are like eagles: We don't have them anymore...


To a DEV, This forum is like an Eagle flying into a wood chipper: ie you don't do it if aren't crazy. Go to the upcoming features forum and look at any thread where CCP Rise has posted for example, madness ensues (in the form of "you should lose your job" posts).

On reddit we can downvote the unduly abusive smucks into oblivion, on these forums the worst you can do is call them an abusive smuck and report them, hoping an ISD eventually agrees that said poster is an abusive smuck lol. If i worked for CCP I wouldn't post on these forums unless the company made me do it, and if they made me do it I too would probably end up at Riot Games lol.

I've only been interacting with Reddit for a few months, didn't like it at first because of how the site is layed out. Before that I'd have probably had the same kind of reaction others have here (ie "but this is THE eve forum, they should post here!"). Hell, i think I have had that reaction.

Now after some time at Reddit I totally understand.
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2016-05-23 18:32:25 UTC
I'm active on both /r/eve and the EVE forums. (And FHC for what it's worth.) I find /r/eve vastly more informative about events in the game. Wars, migrations, dunks - they get way, way more exposure on /r/eve than here. GD has more people ranting about some aspect of the game without offering any fixes, or asking a question which has likely been asked before (which is legit, I have questions myself, but that's no foundation for an interesting online interaction) or reporting some issue they've encountered. I skim the EVE forums (and spend a fair bit of time in the EVE Technology and Research Center section because interesting stuff gets discussed there often) but the majority of my EVE-related reading happens in /r/eve and FHC because I hear about what people are actually doing and I can converse with the people playing in systems near me. I also find the discussions about the game itself to be of higher quality on /r/eve since redundant and inflammatory posts here are just as prominent as interesting and contributive posts whereas they fall to the bottom on /r/eve.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#95 - 2016-05-23 18:41:08 UTC
Kai Loom wrote:
Why do CCP post on /r/eve?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/about/traffic/

Nearly 600k uniques a month
15 mil page views a month
800k page views a day

The fact that CCP has access to a demographic which a portion of DOES NOT subscribe to the game is a real boon here, weed smokers or not.

/r/eve is a PR tool whether you like it or not.
That's some god awful PR bro.

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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2016-05-23 19:25:18 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Kai Loom wrote:
Why do CCP post on /r/eve?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/about/traffic/

Nearly 600k uniques a month
15 mil page views a month
800k page views a day

The fact that CCP has access to a demographic which a portion of DOES NOT subscribe to the game is a real boon here, weed smokers or not.

/r/eve is a PR tool whether you like it or not.
That's some god awful PR bro.

One of my friends wanted to try Eve, he went on reddit to find out more about the game and now refuses to play it because of reddit. So yeah, that is some God awful PR.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#97 - 2016-05-23 19:41:01 UTC
I think even this thread is an example of why the eve forums are superior to reddit. Each post is fairly well written and contributing to an interesting discussion even though I don't agree with everything.

Now if this was on reddit we'd get a one sided discussion with the majority of the posts from irrelevant people who probably aren't even subbed jumping on the bandwagon and spamming memes.

I've used reddit a few times and it's just an echo chamber like much of social media with little interesting discussion. One thing reddit is good for is for getting up to date info on events in the game, but then I'd go elsewhere to read up on them.

FHC is very good too, although it always seems a bit dead even compared to these forums.
Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
#98 - 2016-05-23 21:43:17 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Kai Loom wrote:
Why do CCP post on /r/eve?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/about/traffic/

Nearly 600k uniques a month
15 mil page views a month
800k page views a day

The fact that CCP has access to a demographic which a portion of DOES NOT subscribe to the game is a real boon here, weed smokers or not.

/r/eve is a PR tool whether you like it or not.
That's some god awful PR bro.



Seems to be working out well for them. At first, I felt bad for you because I thought you were just dense. Now, I realize you just go out of your way to be a pain in the ass. Your constant trolling trying to play devils advocate is off putting. GD has no discussion. It's a long list of whining posts from people like you. You complain about personal attacks on /r/eve then insult anyone who may be a reddit user. gg
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#99 - 2016-05-23 22:08:23 UTC
Cien Banchiere wrote:
Seems to be working out well for them.
*looks at EVE offline* Maybe not. Even the war to destroy goons hasn't got the population out of the trenches. Good thing they've got all these microtransactions keeping them going.

Bro, personal attacks get you nowhere. And to be quite honest, if you don't like the discussion here, why are you here?

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Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
#100 - 2016-05-23 22:51:58 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Cien Banchiere wrote:
Seems to be working out well for them.
*looks at EVE offline* Maybe not. Even the war to destroy goons hasn't got the population out of the trenches. Good thing they've got all these microtransactions keeping them going.

Bro, personal attacks get you nowhere. And to be quite honest, if you don't like the discussion here, why are you here?



It's not the discussion I don't like. It's people like you who go out of their way to derail the discussion and cry victim I don't like.