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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#41 - 2016-05-22 10:54:37 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:

Except "bullshit" actually means any unpopular opinion. If someone posts something contrary to the widely accepted opinion it gets downvoted into oblivion. The entire thing just breeds an environment where everyone says the same thing regardless of whether or not it's actually true and there's no critical thinking involved at all.

It's pretty much the system I've ever seen a "discussion" site.

You get more varied, rational discussion on 4chan than reddit.


I don't agree. I think you can present unpopular ideas on r/EVE, if you formulate yourself normally and politely. Take these forums for example. people expect to be listened to after including angry personal attacks on the intelligence levels and professional expertise of CCP developers. that is not how it works. And I am happy these guys will get downvoted to oblivion on r/EVE.

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Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2016-05-22 11:12:29 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
i see people being told to go kill themselves on redit and have done for years.
**** that community.


The r/eve Reddit is the cesspit of the Eve community.
Or, in the words of Sir Alec Guinness, "You'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy"

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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#43 - 2016-05-22 11:25:43 UTC
Hawke Frost wrote:


Unpopular views is not necessarily the same as "whine threads". Lets go back to my initial example: everyone gets 30 mil extra skill points and 10 free titans.

Given the average... person we can be pretty sure that if CCP would voice this idea on reddit that a vast majority would be ok with it because in their short term interest it's a good idea. What are the chances a post going "this is a dumb idea for so many reasons", explaining the issues, would get down voted to hell?

We can also be sure that there'd be more in favour of the idea on Reddit than on this forum percentage wise, for all the reasons explained above. I'm not saying Reddit is bad, I'm not saying this forum is good. I AM saying that "reddit is better because of down votes" too simplistic and in fact dangerous because unpopular views aren't necessarily bad views. I could add a Godwin but that would be too obvious.


I acknowledge that unpopular opinions are not bad opinions. I still think these ideas will most often only be downvoted if they are accompanied by rude text. This is however only my opinion.

I have a problem with your example as I think it is a hyperbole constructed in a way such your view will the only correct outcome. I don't agree with the assumptions, about how people of reddit would welcome this as we simple do not know and this is pure speculation. If this indeed was the case that everyone wants this I do not automitically agree upon the premise that it is bad for EVE, just because you think people tire of EVE more quickly. I think that aegis sov is a good examples of that you cannot predict the total outcome of a change.

I would agree with your last point if we were talking real life, I do think though that "Dangerous" is too strong a word for a video game forum. I think the advantage with reddit in regards to this forum is that constructive ideas are not burried in nonconstructive comments like here. I agree with your point that some voices would not be heard, but tbh. CCP are big boys. If they want to risk everything by only hearing the sweet talkers, it is their choice. I don't they to this though. I do see the strength in that it is easier to get to the constructive ideas on reddit imo. even if it is only a subset of the constructive ideas proposed. It is then CCPs obligation to pick something balanced from that.

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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#44 - 2016-05-22 11:28:41 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
i see people being told to go kill themselves on redit and have done for years.
**** that community.


The r/eve Reddit is the cesspit of the Eve community.
Or, in the words of Sir Alec Guinness, "You'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy"


If you go there now, and actually look through the featured threads, they are less negative than the posts on GD here. just saying.

"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2016-05-22 11:36:09 UTC
I know 'us against them' arguments are more popular, but I'm happy that there are two major EVE forums instead of just one.

Both have their pros and cons.

Reddit currently outshines EVE-O imo if you want last-minute updates on what's going on in EVE (wars, events, interesting new features, bugs, unexpected downtimes, etc.).

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Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#46 - 2016-05-22 11:45:27 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Snagletooth Scott wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
Anyone who posts a negative opinion to the way the game is headed on Reddit gets downvoted to oblivion. That is why you won't see such posts, and it also makes others reluctant to post their honest opinion.


Aah, Reddit. Where Free Speech goes to die.


Freedom of speech includes the rights of the majority to silence the opinion of the minority.

Just existing doesn't make you special.

By silencing minority you are not getting freedom of speech. You get discrimination.

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Trader20
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2016-05-22 11:49:48 UTC
I can't forgive the wall of text style that reddit uses. It's like having a discussion in notepad.
Hawke Frost
#48 - 2016-05-22 12:15:17 UTC
sero Hita wrote:
Hawke Frost wrote:


Unpopular views is not necessarily the same as "whine threads". Lets go back to my initial example: everyone gets 30 mil extra skill points and 10 free titans.

Given the average... person we can be pretty sure that if CCP would voice this idea on reddit that a vast majority would be ok with it because in their short term interest it's a good idea. What are the chances a post going "this is a dumb idea for so many reasons", explaining the issues, would get down voted to hell?

We can also be sure that there'd be more in favour of the idea on Reddit than on this forum percentage wise, for all the reasons explained above. I'm not saying Reddit is bad, I'm not saying this forum is good. I AM saying that "reddit is better because of down votes" too simplistic and in fact dangerous because unpopular views aren't necessarily bad views. I could add a Godwin but that would be too obvious.


I have a problem with your example as I think it is a hyperbole constructed in a way such your view will the only correct outcome.


It is, obviously. But lets be honest, it if would happen then what are the chances that it would get upvoted massively and any and all negative posts would end up on the bottom of the abyss?

That is my problem with the system. I'm not saying I know better, I AM saying that I'm probably less stupid than the average person and so are a bunch of us including you and a whole bunch of posters on Reddit. But if push comes to shove they/we will get outvoted by the vast majority of idiots that inhabit this planet. That makes it a terrible system.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2016-05-22 12:20:01 UTC
Hawke Frost wrote:
That is my problem with the system. I'm not saying I know better, I AM saying that I'm probably less stupid than the average person and so are a bunch of us including you and a whole bunch of posters on Reddit. But if push comes to shove they/we will get outvoted by the vast majority of idiots that inhabit this planet. That makes it a terrible system the perfect system for the vast majority of this planet's inhabitants.
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Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
#50 - 2016-05-22 12:27:51 UTC
There is also voat if anyone care about /r/eve being too much of a circlejerk

Personally I don't mind /r/eve because this is the only place you can get news about eve online in only one place. News and dev post always get upvoted
Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#51 - 2016-05-22 12:40:24 UTC
Reddit is great because it keeps all of the unwashed masses out of the official forums.
Maekchu
Doomheim
#52 - 2016-05-22 12:51:23 UTC
Why are we even arguing over what community is better?

First, does it even matter? Second, both communities are equally ********.

You can find great posters on both mediums, but both forums are equally filled with whiners and ranters. On reddit, you do have the possibility to downvote these yourself, while on this forum you need to wait for a lock.

Some of you say, that the official forum contains the "better" quality posts, but honestly take a look at some of the threads posted across the boards. Can you still claim that the posting quality here is supreme?

TL:DR It all doesn't matter. You all suck at posting relevant stuff, except for a rare few. Use whatever forum you find comfortable. Eve is dying, the world is ending... This thread is pointless.
Davian Thule Pirkibo
Black Rabbits
Black Rabbit.
#53 - 2016-05-22 13:33:37 UTC
A lot of the people who fear censorship on Reddit, or specifically r/eve there's a tab right beside the default "hot" tab at the top of the page that takes you directly to the downvoted stuff, and it's easy to change the display to chronological order just like an ordinary forum
Cristl
#54 - 2016-05-22 17:03:39 UTC
Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote:
A lot of the people who fear censorship on Reddit, or specifically r/eve there's a tab right beside the default "hot" tab at the top of the page that takes you directly to the downvoted stuff, and it's easy to change the display to chronological order just like an ordinary forum

Where is the tab to filter out the tiresome childish bullshit though?
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#55 - 2016-05-22 18:22:04 UTC
I have to be active user to post on o-forum, I may be anybody to post on reddit.

Sometimes I wonder why devs keep bothering with offical forum since every news about game get posted on reddit first.

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#56 - 2016-05-23 09:24:04 UTC
I wouldn't say Reddit is a horrible site, but /r/eve certainly is a horrible subreddit with horrible people.

The fact that most devs are more active on that piece of filth instead of their own official forums still baffles me to this day quite honestly. It's probably what made that place so popular to begin with.

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Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2016-05-23 09:46:59 UTC
*snip*

But that mean that there are more readers down voting them than readers up voting them. So the majority of those that vote appreciate the idea. I.e. the majorly on reddit like it, like the OP said. [/quote]

According to your logic Trump will be a great president.[/quote]

No, according to my logic if Trump get the majority of votes he become the president. [/quote]

But would that be a good thing, would a majority vote be the right decision, the right solution?[/quote]

It is called democracy, you know. The right of the masses to make what I feel are stupid decision.
They should follow my benevolent dictatorship as I know everything better than anyone.
[/quote]

20% of votes are needed to win the states needed for the election.
but that's derailing from this thread,
ccp needs to stop using reddit/twitter to post things that someone like me who refuses to use those media to post important and potentially game breaking information.
oh we're announcing a contest not in the forum but instead on twitter where only 2% of the game sees it. *blergh*

Also REMOVE THAT DAMNED ADVISE FROM THE LAUNCHER TO JOIN AN ACTIVE CORPORATION.
you're supposed to be impartial to people's decisions ingame and although you make it sound nice and sweet and dandy to there are people like me who are in an active NPC corp and quite happy with activities organized by said corporation.
I find this offensive and racist.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2016-05-23 10:36:15 UTC
Henry Plantgenet wrote:
there are people like me who are in an active NPC corp and quite happy with activities organized by said corporation.
I find this offensive and racist.
#npcsarepeopletoo

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Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2016-05-23 10:39:39 UTC
Im scared of reddit

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Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#60 - 2016-05-23 10:52:32 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
None of which changes the fact that r/eve aren't changing the game. CCP are. So if there's going to be butthurt over changes, then surely the butthurt should be directed at CCP first, rather than "r/eve so terrible. They don't care about the personality of the game because they agree with CCP". Pretty petty really.
They aren't changing the game directly but CCP do listen to feedback there. Many players posting on reddit are players who can't post here, either because they no longer sub to the game or they have been outright removed from the forum. That's a bad crowd to take feedback from even if there are a few people in there who are normals. It's also unbelievably biased. Imagine the outrage if CCP started posting more on and gaining feedback through on the somethingawful forums. It would be understandably bad because it's CCP directly interacting with a biased in-game group. Reddit is no different and that will remain the case all the time the subreddit isn't entirely CCP moderated.

Jenn aSide wrote:
I've been posting here for years, and I've only recently started visiting reddit. Tbh, reddit is just a better experience. There, the worst posters get a kind of social penalty for constantly posting bullshit, here the best you can do is use a very poor ignore function. And there is more freedom and less moderation.
It doesn't surprise me that you prefer a system that squashes less popular opinions and wildy boosts immature meme posts and personal attacks.

sero Hita wrote:
Because when it affects the majority, it is only fair that the majority decides what happens.
But that's not what r/eve is. CCP posting up on r/eve and taking feedback is simply getting feedback from a different minority, one that includes players that no longer play and that have been banned by CCP.

sero Hita wrote:
r/EVE is better IMO due to the downvoting of negative complain threads.
And if that's all that was downvoted, I'd agree. The idea of reddit downvoting is that you downvote troll posts, not opinions you disagree with, yet most people downvote opinions they disagree with or posters they are on the opposing side of the game to. So what you end up with is a single viwepoint from people at the bottom end of the maturity scale. Biased opinion and "dank memes" is pretty much all it's good for, so basically if you're older than 12 it's not much use.

sero Hita wrote:
I don't agree. I think you can present unpopular ideas on r/EVE, if you formulate yourself normally and politely.
That is definitely not true. There's certain people who can get away with unpopular opinions because they posted enough meme generator images to counter their opinion, but for the most part if someone disagrees with the mob, no matter how politely, they get buried, while "get f****d" gets top comment votes.

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