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[SANXI] Press Release: Victims of Nauplius

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Xun Yu
Sanxing
#1 - 2016-05-22 01:29:17 UTC
Sanxing
Press release:
Victims of Nauplius

Sanxing was approached by Nushi Aria Jenneth of the Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque with regards to offering aid to the 33,000 victims rescued from the Blood Raider Nauplius.

As an organisation committed to embodying the Five Constants and Four Virtues that are at the core of Jin-Mei society, and to upholding the fundamental dignities and rights enshrined in the Federal Charter, Sanxing was of course honoured to help.

However we were unable to offer unlimited assistance as we were informed that the majority of the victims being slaves would be returned to slavery after their treatment. While Sanxing appreciates that the Societas is restricted by Amarrian law we could not in good conscience give unrestricted aid in these circumstances.

Sanxing was able to however take into our care any free Federal and Republic citizens, all told some 129 individuals, which are being treated in our state of the art facilities in Lirsautton for the modified vitoxin and TCMCs they were subjected to.

We encourage those organisations that are able to offer aid to contact the Societas.

Sang Do Xun Yu
Taishou of Sanxing

Sanxing - 'Three Stars' - Committed to the Jin-Mei and the Federation

Find us on your Neocom on the router: Sanxing

Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2016-05-22 02:31:36 UTC
Ok...


I, Sinjin Mokk of Khanid, lay claim to the rightful ownership of all 33,000 individuals that were recently the property of Nauplius of Khanid. I challenge any Holder or Commoner of Amarr and it's allies to combat to prove me wrong in my assertion.

That being said,

I, Sinjin Mokk of Khanid, do hearby publicly release the aforementioned 33,000 individuals and declare them to be be free citizens of Amarr, granting them all rights and privileges afforded to the status of "commoner," up to and including freedom to travel. Moreso, as a gift for their service to the Empire, I will provide each individual a one-way ticket via InterBus to the destination of their choosing.


I hope this clears up the matter for you Mr. Yu.

Should you require assistance with the individuals in your care in dealing with their TCMCs, I offer my services. As I am a man of business, I'm afraid I'll have to charge .01 ISK per client.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Xun Yu
Sanxing
#3 - 2016-05-22 02:36:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Xun Yu
Lord Sinjin Mokk,

While I appreciate your effort to clear up the matter, and also your willingness to free the slaves as well as attend to their medical needs, it is not in the hands of Sanxing to arbitrate or otherwise administer Amarrian law.

At present our medical personnel are confident in their abilities to attend to the 129 individuals within our care, however I shall forward on to them your offer.

If your intention regarding the slaves is sincere I encourage you to contact the Societas personally.

Sang Do Xun Yu
Taishou of Sanxing

Sanxing - 'Three Stars' - Committed to the Jin-Mei and the Federation

Find us on your Neocom on the router: Sanxing

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#4 - 2016-05-22 02:38:11 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Ok...


I, Sinjin Mokk of Khanid, lay claim to the rightful ownership of all 33,000 individuals that were recently the property of Nauplius of Khanid. I challenge any Holder or Commoner of Amarr and it's allies to combat to prove me wrong in my assertion.

That being said,

I, Sinjin Mokk of Khanid, do hearby publicly release the aforementioned 33,000 individuals and declare them to be be free citizens of Amarr, granting them all rights and privileges afforded to the status of "commoner," up to and including freedom to travel. Moreso, as a gift for their service to the Empire, I will provide each individual a one-way ticket via InterBus to the destination of their choosing.


I hope this clears up the matter for you Mr. Yu.

Should you require assistance with the individuals in your care in dealing with their TCMCs, I offer my services. As I am a man of business, I'm afraid I'll have to charge .01 ISK per client.


And all of a sudden my opinion of you increased a decent amount more. Doubt it means much coming from me but well done...
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#5 - 2016-05-22 09:28:39 UTC
Wow, what a time to be alive, hm?

Do ring me a bell if you need help transporting these people.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#6 - 2016-05-22 10:44:03 UTC
Pity, such prejudice towards slaves.
Mengyao Chemineau
Sanxing Yi
#7 - 2016-05-22 11:23:07 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Pity, such prejudice towards slaves.

Tell us another joke, that was a knee-slapper.

Of course, there's nothing funny about the actual situation of 33,000 victims of extreme abuse and degradation under subjugation being dumped back into varying degrees of abusive, degrading subjugation. They're certainly better off with just about any other owner than with Nauplius, but there are no apparent guarantees that any given one of those people will go to an owner who will be sensitive to their post-traumatic needs. It's also certain there will be a number of them who are 500% done with being slaves after what they've been through and your lovely society will have no sympathy for that either.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#8 - 2016-05-22 12:25:13 UTC
Mengyao Chemineau wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Pity, such prejudice towards slaves.

Tell us another joke, that was a knee-slapper.

Of course, there's nothing funny about the actual situation of 33,000 victims of extreme abuse and degradation under subjugation being dumped back into varying degrees of abusive, degrading subjugation. They're certainly better off with just about any other owner than with Nauplius, but there are no apparent guarantees that any given one of those people will go to an owner who will be sensitive to their post-traumatic needs. It's also certain there will be a number of them who are 500% done with being slaves after what they've been through and your lovely society will have no sympathy for that either.

Excuses, excuses.

If you really wanted to help those people you would, but you chose to look for a excuses. You are more concerned about what ifs and what other society would think, such a great humanitarian you are.
Xun Yu
Sanxing
#9 - 2016-05-22 12:35:48 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Mengyao Chemineau wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Pity, such prejudice towards slaves.

Tell us another joke, that was a knee-slapper.

Of course, there's nothing funny about the actual situation of 33,000 victims of extreme abuse and degradation under subjugation being dumped back into varying degrees of abusive, degrading subjugation. They're certainly better off with just about any other owner than with Nauplius, but there are no apparent guarantees that any given one of those people will go to an owner who will be sensitive to their post-traumatic needs. It's also certain there will be a number of them who are 500% done with being slaves after what they've been through and your lovely society will have no sympathy for that either.

Excuses, excuses.

If you really wanted to help those people you would, but you chose to look for a excuses. You are more concerned about what ifs and what other society would think, such a great humanitarian you are.


Lieutenant Ashlar Vellum,

Firstly may I apologise for Wei Chemineau's rather blunt and forthright tone, however in matters of sincere belief he has a tendency to forget himself - a not unforgivable and in part admirable characteristic.

To address rather the matter of your accusation: As an organisation we are committed to upholding the Five Constants and Four Virtues that are at the core of Jin-Mei society, as well as defending those rights affirmed and enshrined in the Federal Charter of the Gallente Federation. Sanxing refuses to play the part of some petty torturer healing up broken bodies and souls only to send them back to the rack upon which they may be broken afresh by so called gentler hands.

This is not a matter of appearances but of the firm conviction of the morals and ethos which are at the core of our being, both as a collective organisation and the individuals who constitute Sanxing - the decision was put to a general vote of all staff as I had no desire to unilaterally decide the matter.

I would suggest that you look to your own affairs and morals before criticising the affairs and morals of others.

Sang Do Xun Yu
Taishou of Sanxing

Sanxing - 'Three Stars' - Committed to the Jin-Mei and the Federation

Find us on your Neocom on the router: Sanxing

Mengyao Chemineau
Sanxing Yi
#10 - 2016-05-22 12:37:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Mengyao Chemineau
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Mengyao Chemineau wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Pity, such prejudice towards slaves.

Tell us another joke, that was a knee-slapper.

Of course, there's nothing funny about the actual situation of 33,000 victims of extreme abuse and degradation under subjugation being dumped back into varying degrees of abusive, degrading subjugation. They're certainly better off with just about any other owner than with Nauplius, but there are no apparent guarantees that any given one of those people will go to an owner who will be sensitive to their post-traumatic needs. It's also certain there will be a number of them who are 500% done with being slaves after what they've been through and your lovely society will have no sympathy for that either.

Excuses, excuses.

If you really wanted to help those people you would, but you chose to look for a excuses. You are more concerned about what ifs and what other society would think, such a great humanitarian you are.

All they are to you is economic assets, and you just want to pinch coins by guilting a Federal corp into fixing up your assets for free. If you're so concerned about those people, put your money where your mouth is and give aid to SFRIM's med efforts. If you already did that, well good on you and I'm sorry I misjudged you, but get your great and Godly brethren to do the same.


Edit: Sorry Taishou, didn't see your post until after I posted this one.
Maria Daphiti
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#11 - 2016-05-22 13:12:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Maria Daphiti
Xun Yu wrote:
Sanxing

However we were unable to offer unlimited assistance as we were informed that the majority of the victims being slaves would be returned to slavery after their treatment. While Sanxing appreciates that the Societas is restricted by Amarrian law we could not in good conscience give unrestricted aid in these circumstances.



Because, like, it's totally better that they suffer:

Hallucination and delirium.
Liver failure.
Kidney failure.
Heart failure.
Progressive lung scarification, developing over a projected period of 1 - 2 weeks. Death by organ failure commonly occurs before this onsets to any serious degree.
Hallucination and delirium.
Erectile dysfunction.
Seizures.
Increased heart rate (triggered by rapid lowering of blood pressure).
Muscular weakness.
Pulmonary oedema. The build-up of fluid in the lungs is frequently signalled by complaints of itching in the chest, a "rattling" cough (possibly producing a bloody mucus), panic and shortness of breath.
Rapidly developing lung scarification.
Coma.
Liver failure.
Kidney failure.
Injury to the heart.
Death.**

Than spend a even single day with a liberal progressive holder who tries to educate and care for their slaves!

So noted!

**http://wiki.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?title=The_Vitoc_Problem
Mengyao Chemineau
Sanxing Yi
#12 - 2016-05-22 13:16:54 UTC
Again, why does a Federal corp have to be the one to take care of "your" people for you?
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#13 - 2016-05-22 13:26:14 UTC
Mengyao Chemineau wrote:
Again, why does a Federal corp have to be the one to take care of "your" people for you?


It doesn't. The victims are all being given great care and assistance for all of their medical and psychological traumas. That SANXI refused to give more aid due to the fact some of these people are enslaved tells more about them then us when all are being given the same level of care.

Yes, many of these people will end up in the care of carefully selected Holders that makes a lot of people baulk, but it is, however, the law of the Empire. If you'd rather these people freed, please petition to the relevant Imperial authorities for that to be able to happen.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#14 - 2016-05-22 13:30:36 UTC
Xun Yu wrote:


I would suggest that you look to your own affairs and morals before criticising the affairs and morals of others.

Sang Do Xun Yu
Taishou of Sanxing


Perhaps you should have done likewise before making a self-gratifying post about helping a small number of the people your principles allowed, before making justification as to why you refused to provide further help in an obvious, but exceedingly polite, criticism of our system.

I for one agree it's broken and imperfect, but I'd never allow my opposition to something get in the way of being basically decent and atleast helping to patch people up, regardless what their future may or may not hold.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Xun Yu
Sanxing
#15 - 2016-05-22 13:38:43 UTC
Jueshi Utari Onzo & Nushi Maria Daphiti,

Thank you for that information Nushi Daphiti, Sanxing is well aware of the result of the Amarrian slavery control methods and the consequences that they have upon individuals.

Jueshi Onzo, as a publicly registered corporation Sanxing, like any other registered with SCC, operates with a level of transparency in mind and our press releases are designed to inform - they are neither an act of self-congratulation or gratification.

When informed that the Societas would be unable to free the slaves Sanxing did not chastise the organisation, but understanding the nature of the law and respecting the self-determination of the Amarr upon the matter, resolved to do what we could. Thus it is puzzling to me, and to Sanxing, that we are being criticised for not doing enough - may I ask what aid PIE has given? Or CVA? Or the Amarr authorities themselves? I hope that they have provided fully and without reservation all the necessary aid to see these individuals returned to full health.

Sanxing offered what help we could while still remaining true to the ethos that is at the core of our organisation. If a principled position cannot be respected within an Empire founded upon religious principle that is indeed most curious to me.

Sang Do Xun Yu
Taishou of Sanxing

Sanxing - 'Three Stars' - Committed to the Jin-Mei and the Federation

Find us on your Neocom on the router: Sanxing

Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#16 - 2016-05-22 13:56:58 UTC
CVA has, indeed, provided assistance. Fourth District even lost a freighter in the process of trying to supply medical equipment and staff, so if you want to sit here pointing fingers of who's doing what I suggest you snap your hand back in your pocket. All of our aid is unilateral and will be provided regardless of the status or citizenship of these victims. The only one laying out limitations here is you.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Aedre Lafisques
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#17 - 2016-05-22 14:18:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Aedre Lafisques
(I missed some posting in the interim, but I'll let it stand as my position passively. I don't think it matters here to point fingers at who helped how, let's just decide what we want to do.)

I would like to express gratitude to Sinjin Mokk for his actions. This is the sort of thing that Capsuleers, and really, leaders and the rich should do with their resources and abilities and should be applauded and honoured.

That said, since this is going so well, like to propose another angle to which these people can be helped by other Amarrians of good standing. I usually stay out of these conversations, but as no one has brought it up, I feel obligated to put this forward.

Should any of the former slaves want to return, we should help them do so. We have rehabilitation resources here in the Federation, as I'm sure does the Republic, to help them deal with free life but it should be weighted that we are dealing with people. It isn't just 30 000 slaves or 30 000 victims. While I don't expect a large number of them will want to return, a few might. And quite frankly, that would be exercising 'freedom'. The right thing to do is identify responsible holders that are willing to take in cases that need special attention. Contrary to popular belief, these exist, and I'm quite sure they would be proud to come forward if we were to ask on behalf of individuals.

Now that they are free, they have a choice. Their first choice should not be illusory. They will not know who to go to, and that information should be freely given to them, along with the rest. To those of us who exercise choice constantly, it is important to consider how bewildering this actually is. The first few instances should be well-explained, but also comprise of real decisions. It should mean something, to choose freedom. I'm sure most will take their chances.

Those that understand what their choice and return probably understand they themselves are unlikely to succeed in a free environment. Not giving them that opportunity is assuming they can't make decisions for themselves. Being free is not as easy as simply becoming free. It's not responsible as curators (which is now what we are as we discuss what to do with them) to release them all into society without consulting them during the rehabilitation process.
Mengyao Chemineau
Sanxing Yi
#18 - 2016-05-22 14:30:05 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
CVA has, indeed, provided assistance. Fourth District even lost a freighter in the process of trying to supply medical equipment and staff, so if you want to sit here pointing fingers of who's doing what I suggest you snap your hand back in your pocket. All of our aid is unilateral and will be provided regardless of the status or citizenship of these victims. The only one laying out limitations here is you.

Sorry for your freighter crew loss. Truly.

It's great to hear you're rendering aid. (Would have liked to hear about it before now.) Just this once, I'll hazard speaking for Sanxing by saying I'm sure we're all happy that the other 32,870-odd victims are receiving aid from more than one Imperial loyalist organization.

That said, I'm sure it's a lot easier to provide aid without limitations under these circumstances when you already support the system of slavery.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#19 - 2016-05-22 14:35:21 UTC
Xun Yu wrote:
Thus it is puzzling to me, and to Sanxing, that we are being criticised for not doing enough - may I ask what aid PIE has given? Or CVA? Or the Amarr authorities themselves?


Most of these organizations don't feel the need to make a public statement every time they take action.
Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing Yi
#20 - 2016-05-22 14:42:08 UTC
I used to be a slave.
I was part of Sanxing's decision to limit our aid in this cause, and I supported the limiting.
I will not discuss my reasons with slavers.
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