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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#21 - 2016-05-19 18:57:19 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
lots of rp'ers who live in systems where the faction they support are the main rats wont shoot that rat because you know if fcks the immersion and story that the players created, which this sandbox game once promoted.

the reason this daily was made was because they couldnt be bothered to think of something more structured and just wanted numbers raised asap, nothing more, please dont paint it like a well thought idea as its a totally terrible execution
Then do a level 1 security mission for that faction or go shoot a rat a region over when hunting players.

You can believe what you want, but they've already stated there are other opportunities on the way once this one beds the system in a bit. I really can't think of a single type of player that won't be able to achieve this one with relative ease. You've pretty much have had to extract your rookie ship skills to be incapable of this.


yes its the start of a game where you have to follow what ccp want you to do or you are being penalised, not very sandbox is it?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#22 - 2016-05-19 19:02:30 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
yes its the start of a game where you have to follow what ccp want you to do or you are being penalised, not very sandbox is it?
You aren't being penalised, you're simply choosing to do something that doesn't gain you that particular reward. How many other reward generating tasks do you avoid doing? Why are those not equally as bad as this?

And again, other opportunities for other tasks will be coming.

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#23 - 2016-05-19 19:08:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
there is no other tasks which give sp bonuses so i dont feel like im being penalised if i dont login to gain this 5mil sp a year bonus, thats what i like about eve, im not forced to login everyday because i lose nothing for having a life out of game.

yes its the start of a system which will probably require you to login everyday or you will lose something, ive played plenty of mmo's where stuff dies or you get to a stage where you have to login (or run a bot) to fulfill these tasks, even promotes account sharing, its totally bad news. thats what dailies are designed to do

inb4 ask 10 friends on facebook to boost your dps so you kill the pirate dreadnaught.

it is penalisin you because if i dont follow this task that ccp wants me to do then i dont get a reward, even though im active everyday

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#24 - 2016-05-19 19:17:46 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
there is no other tasks which give sp bonuses so i dont feel like im being penalised if i dont login to gain this 5mil sp a year bonus, thats what i like about eve, im not forced to login everyday because i lose nothing for having a life out of game.
You do though. Say you and I play the exact same time and the same activities. If you don't log in for a day you lose 1 days worth of income.

Lan Wang wrote:
yes its the start of a system which will probably require you to login everyday or you will lose something, ive played plenty of mmo's where stuff dies or you get to a stage where you have to login (or run a bot) to fulfill these tasks, even promotes account sharing, its totally bad news. thats what dailies are designed to do
You won't lose anything, you'll simply not gain anything.

Lan Wang wrote:
it is penalisin you because if i dont follow this task that ccp wants me to do then i dont get a reward, even though im active everyday
Literally the same as any other activity that currently gives you a reward.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2016-05-19 19:25:40 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
there is no other tasks which give sp bonuses so i dont feel like im being penalised if i dont login to gain this 5mil sp a year bonus, thats what i like about eve, im not forced to login everyday because i lose nothing for having a life out of game.
You do though. Say you and I play the exact same time and the same activities. If you don't log in for a day you lose 1 days worth of income.

Lan Wang wrote:
yes its the start of a system which will probably require you to login everyday or you will lose something, ive played plenty of mmo's where stuff dies or you get to a stage where you have to login (or run a bot) to fulfill these tasks, even promotes account sharing, its totally bad news. thats what dailies are designed to do
You won't lose anything, you'll simply not gain anything.

Lan Wang wrote:
it is penalisin you because if i dont follow this task that ccp wants me to do then i dont get a reward, even though im active everyday
Literally the same as any other activity that currently gives you a reward.


People are mostly mad about it because it's SP. If the reward was ISK, nobody would of cried as much. CCP is offering their ultimate drugs on which a large part of the player base is already addicted. Of course people will feel forced to do it just like smokers MUST smoke and drug addict are suffering when they skip over their regular consumption.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#26 - 2016-05-19 19:33:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Lucas Kell wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
there is no other tasks which give sp bonuses so i dont feel like im being penalised if i dont login to gain this 5mil sp a year bonus, thats what i like about eve, im not forced to login everyday because i lose nothing for having a life out of game.
You do though. Say you and I play the exact same time and the same activities. If you don't log in for a day you lose 1 days worth of income.

Lan Wang wrote:
yes its the start of a system which will probably require you to login everyday or you will lose something, ive played plenty of mmo's where stuff dies or you get to a stage where you have to login (or run a bot) to fulfill these tasks, even promotes account sharing, its totally bad news. thats what dailies are designed to do
You won't lose anything, you'll simply not gain anything.

Lan Wang wrote:
it is penalisin you because if i dont follow this task that ccp wants me to do then i dont get a reward, even though im active everyday
Literally the same as any other activity that currently gives you a reward.


income, i earn my income out of game, the joys of eve i can offer my rl skills and be paid for it ingame, its a bit hypocritical for you to say that, if we login at the same time and both shoot rats and i dont login 1 day i lose that 10k sp, thats being penalised for not logging in.

income has no real merit if you dont log in, nobody really cares, the daily is designed to get people to login or they feel like they lose something

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2016-05-19 19:36:15 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
there is no other tasks which give sp bonuses so i dont feel like im being penalised if i dont login to gain this 5mil sp a year bonus, thats what i like about eve, im not forced to login everyday because i lose nothing for having a life out of game.
You do though. Say you and I play the exact same time and the same activities. If you don't log in for a day you lose 1 days worth of income.

Lan Wang wrote:
yes its the start of a system which will probably require you to login everyday or you will lose something, ive played plenty of mmo's where stuff dies or you get to a stage where you have to login (or run a bot) to fulfill these tasks, even promotes account sharing, its totally bad news. thats what dailies are designed to do
You won't lose anything, you'll simply not gain anything.

Lan Wang wrote:
it is penalisin you because if i dont follow this task that ccp wants me to do then i dont get a reward, even though im active everyday
Literally the same as any other activity that currently gives you a reward.


income, i earn my income out of game, the joys of eve i can offer my rl skills and be paid for it ingame, its a bit hypocritical for you to say that, if we login at the same time and both shoot rats and i dont login 1 day i lose that 10k sp, thats being penalised for not logging in.

income has no real merit if you dont log in, nobody really cares, the daily is designed to get people to login or they feel like they lose something


With all those comment about how people feel, is this a good thread to drop a HTFU?
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#28 - 2016-05-19 19:40:42 UTC
yeah it will sound soo much better coming from a goon Lol

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Neadayan Drakhon
Heuristic Industrial And Development
AddictClan
#29 - 2016-05-19 19:42:00 UTC
currently there are 2277 posts in the thread on the feedback center thread about this, most of them against dailies to varying degrees of "grrr"

Very little support for the idea as is; some support for a modified version of the idea, and a lot of vehement opposition to it.

I fall into the "vehemently opposed" group. Dailies in EVE is a horrible idea that should never see the light of day. What is CCP thinking, why are they incappable of listening to their players?

As a whole, we do not want this. Yes there are some who do, and many more who probably don't care one way or the other, but the VAST majority of those who chose to voice an oppinion stated in no uncertain terms that this is a bad idea and they did not want it implemented.

Will it be effective in increasing logins? Most likely. But it will be for the wrong reasons, which have been explained and re-explained ad nauseum in the main thread.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2016-05-19 19:48:11 UTC
Neadayan Drakhon wrote:
currently there are 2277 posts in the thread on the feedback center thread about this, most of them against dailies to varying degrees of "grrr"

Very little support for the idea as is; some support for a modified version of the idea, and a lot of vehement opposition to it.

I fall into the "vehemently opposed" group. Dailies in EVE is a horrible idea that should never see the light of day. What is CCP thinking, why are they incappable of listening to their players?

As a whole, we do not want this. Yes there are some who do, and many more who probably don't care one way or the other, but the VAST majority of those who chose to voice an oppinion stated in no uncertain terms that this is a bad idea and they did not want it implemented.

Will it be effective in increasing logins? Most likely. But it will be for the wrong reasons, which have been explained and re-explained ad nauseum in the main thread.


The most vocal about jump fatigue were against it, the most vocal about skynet carrier/supers were agaisnt it. The most vocal about any subject are always the ones who don;t want it because the others just won't bother posting about it.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#31 - 2016-05-19 19:49:01 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Terranid Meester wrote:
CCP have obviously not listened to the reasons why this is a bad idea, and are going full fled idiocy with no brakes.
No real response from CCP regarding the issues with it. They obviously do not give a rats arse. This is what they said in their skill injector blog 'while we make sure there is one single mechanism that brings new skillpoints in to the system – training.' Shows you what the word of CCP is worth really when less than a year later they change their minds.

Not much reason for a CSM if this is the response from CCP. Thanks for not listening CCP.
Bring back Unifex.
Not everyone hates it though, so you're suggesting the opinion of the people against it is somehow more important than the opinion of the people for it.

I give it two thumbs up!


its the fact that it incetivises 1 playstyle while giving a middle finger to every other playstyle


That's exactly what the Rubicon Plan (2013-2018) is doing for PvE and highsec. So cry me a effin' river because you can't shoot your alt for a "PvP daily opportunity" and are forced to touch PvE poo or pass without 10,000 free SP a day.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2016-05-19 19:52:28 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
yeah it will sound soo much better coming from a goon Lol


At the end of the day, no matter what the corp/alliance ticker there is under my name, the message is still the same. It's not like I gain anything more than anyone else out of this. I don't have any alts to earn this multiple time and I don;t log everyday. I also don't plan on logging every day for that because 10k SP is not worth it to me. Some people think it's worth doing something they hate and that's their choice but I really think they should accept that CCP don't force them to do anything and they are also not losing anything if they don;t do it except the opportunity to do it.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2016-05-19 19:53:25 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:

The most vocal about jump fatigue were against it, the most vocal about skynet carrier/supers were agaisnt it. The most vocal about any subject are always the ones who don;t want it because the others just won't bother posting about it.

You are assuming that all opinions are equally valid but they aren't. All that matters is who is right.

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Neadayan Drakhon
Heuristic Industrial And Development
AddictClan
#34 - 2016-05-19 20:04:17 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
The most vocal about jump fatigue were against it, the most vocal about skynet carrier/supers were agaisnt it. The most vocal about any subject are always the ones who don;t want it because the others just won't bother posting about it.

True, but it's hard to count those who can't be bothered to voice an opinion one way or another. Granted, this isn't a voting process, and I'm not trying to say that it is, but CCP has lately had a bad habit of ignoring its players. Do it too much and it'll come back to bite them as people reach their own thresholds of tolerance for what CCP is doing.

I don't like dailies, nor do I like skill trading, are either (or both) enough to get me to quit? Nah, I like too much of the rest of this game. Doesn't mean I won't complain about the bad ideas, in the (futile) hope that CCP will listen.

I do try to throw my support for good ideas too, not just complain about bad ones. Unfortunately its a lot easier to find the energy to complain than to support.
Gedrick frogue
Heuristic Industrial And Development
AddictClan
#35 - 2016-05-19 20:08:40 UTC
I'd really like to know the reasoning behind why CCP haven't listened to the players (again) and their current regime of giving away what amounts of money?

After all with the introduction of skill injectors they introduced a direct way of translating real life money into isk and then into skill points, clearly we're paying CCP too much if they can give money away, something they seem to be doing with abandon with delayed replies to petitions etc

Hey while we're all venting why do they feel the need to be sneaky? Remember the way they 'introduced' the change to the watch list? no? it was listed under Miscellaneous!

Yup let's just keep ploughing onwards and not give two sh*ts to what the players are screaming at you ccp, nice work

OK i'm all done :)

Fly Safe and dont forget to farm those free skill points everyone :D
NovaCat13
Ember Interstellar Inc.
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#36 - 2016-05-19 20:18:34 UTC  |  Edited by: NovaCat13
I'm glad they renamed them "recurring," that solved all problems raised in their main thread. /s

Just say NO to Dailies
Neadayan Drakhon
Heuristic Industrial And Development
AddictClan
#37 - 2016-05-19 20:22:15 UTC
NovaCat13 wrote:
I'm glad they renamed them "recurring," that solved all problems raised in their main thread.

I saw that stealth change, but the implementation is still going to be daily...

CCP needs to make people want to log on. The only thing people should feel like they're missing out on by not logging in is the fun of whatever they choose to be in EVE. Not the carrot dangling from the stick.
000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
#38 - 2016-05-19 20:23:16 UTC
Hm, i dunno... sooo... u shoot an npc and get a few extra skillpoints? Does this sum it up?


just as long as it doesn't turn into 'the bigger/more dangerous the npc, the more points u get' thingy, where big Alliance 0.0 players get an edge.

Actually for the new player this is a nice boost, for me personally, it won't make me log in/undock more often then i allready do, but thats because i'm a grumpy ol'vet and allready have millions of points What?Big smile
NovaCat13
Ember Interstellar Inc.
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#39 - 2016-05-19 20:26:40 UTC
Neadayan Drakhon wrote:
NovaCat13 wrote:
I'm glad they renamed them "recurring," that solved all problems raised in their main thread.

I saw that stealth change, but the implementation is still going to be daily...

CCP needs to make people want to log on. The only thing people should feel like they're missing out on by not logging in is the fun of whatever they choose to be in EVE. Not the carrot dangling from the stick.


I fixed my OP to reflect exactly what I meant.

Just say NO to Dailies
Neadayan Drakhon
Heuristic Industrial And Development
AddictClan
#40 - 2016-05-19 20:29:01 UTC
000Hunter000 wrote:
Hm, i dunno... sooo... u shoot an npc and get a few extra skillpoints? Does this sum it up?


just as long as it doesn't turn into 'the bigger/more dangerous the npc, the more points u get' thingy, where big Alliance 0.0 players get an edge.

Actually for the new player this is a nice boost, for me personally, it won't make me log in/undock more often then i allready do, but thats because i'm a grumpy ol'vet and allready have millions of points What?Big smile

the type of rat doesn't matter (as far as I've been able to tell); so no, the null alliances with bigger rats won't get an advantage over the highsec miner killing a belt frigate

and if CCP had limited it to new players in some way - accounts under 1 month old, or characters under 5m SP (below the extraction threshold) it might've been easier to accept, though still a bad idea