EVE General Discussion

The people against this are simply min-maxing to a ridiculous extent. It's 10k. It's a tiny SP boost. Don't be like a monkey with its fist in a jar trying to get the last peanut out when you're already sat on a massive pile of peanuts. Let it go, monkey.

I'm clearly not opposed to the whole idea. There is however, the matter of precedents: "The Hunt" earns you 10k SP, fine .... what if several more of these opportunities get implemented? What if I can earn 10k for shooting a rat, another 10k for scanning down a site, perhaps 10k on top for shooting a player and 10k for mining a roid?

As long as we're talking 10k SP a day it's acceptable - yet I'm not comfortable with other players getting 40-50k SP extra on a daily basis. Because at that point we're making expensive implants a joke, and people only able to play during the weekend would indeed start falling behind despite paying the same monthly fee.

2ct from Yours Truly,

I imagine with EVE, the opposite would be true though. If CCP created dailies that were very involved, the screams of "themepark MMO" would be heard from space. At the same time the benefits of having daily goals are obvious, hence their use in most mmos. I'm sure over time they will evolve to be more than just shooting a single NPC, but I wouldn't expect them to become too involved or time consuming.

Where were You when CCP removed learning skills? You know: those skills which provided small boost to rate of getting SP. And yet, some people never undocked before they finished all the learning skills to V (which takes something like month or two) BEFORE training anything other. Because 'MUH RATE OF GETTING SP'.
And CCP removed these skills. I wrote at that time that this is just the beginning of long road. And now we are here with dailies. Yes, you don't HAVE TO do them but you will 'lose your rate of getting SP'. Doesn't it sound familiar?

People said that about a lot of changes, generally incorrectly.


It is not something that will happen overnight, like I said in my original post.

Literally impossible.


Literally not very impossible at all, I guess that's an argument?

They already miss out on hundreds of other activities they could partake in each day. Why does the limit make it worse? And why do people not freak out if they don't complete the epic arcs they can only repeat once every three months?


Simply because the incentives for these are not SP based.

And not only is WOW still an absolutely massive game with a huge amount of revenue, but the existence of dailies is not generally considered one of it's major failings. The utter destruction of old content in cataclysm and the introduction of kung fu panda however...


If you played the game then I'm sure you know that logging in to do dailies wasn't much fun at all.

So wait, it's unforgiving and relentless, but if they add missions you can complete once per day, that all goes away? It's not and has never been unforgiving and relentless since the only thing you can really lose is ISK, which is dead easy to make, and the introduction of recurring opportunities won't change a thing about that regardless.
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It's easy to cherry pick sentences from my post and hammer down on them but you have to look at the post in it's entirety. In truth, this isn't so bad. But what I am trying to convey are my concerns about the future.

@Raging Bull: You are right a digit was missing.
80 million or more Skill Points at time of use = 150.000 unallocated Skill Points

They hired EA's head of monetization. Soon there after we got skill injectors and daily opportunities.

I have no problem with skill injectors or this. Both are a waste of time to me and if you want to get a measly 10k SP a day by doing something insanely boring then knock yourself out.

I will agree their picking up speed on the slippery slope but their doing an decent job of implementing this stuff so far.

While I can see the other side of the argument I've also seen companies go full on sell out mode and make it so the more money you spend the bigger the benefit.

Imagine if CCP made it skill injectors gave the same amount of SP but at 50 million SP you had to pay twice as much to get 500k SP and 100 million you had to pay 4 times as much.

As far as the daily opportunities go, who gives a sh!t about 10k SP per day? I mean really it's not the SP that you guys are breaking out the pitchforks for it's the idea behind it. Guess what? This is a niche game at best. CCP is trying to get new people by creating 'catch up' mechanics. You guys don't care about the good of EVE you just complain about change at every turn.

If you want to question my stance on this stuff go look up my post history. I was one of the biggest advocates for keeping skill injectors out of the game when they first announced it but the way it was implemented was great and it turned out to be a good thing for EVE.

The problem is not the game but the playerbase who will do the stupidest thing in the name of faster SP. You will ahve people do stupid **** in that name all the time until CCP decide we all get SP at a flat rate no matter what and I really don't see that happening.

Correct. If I want to PvP I have to do one of the following:

1. Make ISK in game via PvE which is, IMO, generally horrible. Ratting sucks, missions suck, PI sucks, and mining sucks. Personally I pick the ones that for me suck the least.
2. I open up my wallet, buy a PLEX and sell it for ISK in game.
3. Scam people, which has the potential downside of damaging your reputation in game, but hey you can always do it on alt nobody knows about.

That’s pretty much it. I have to do one of these things if I want to PvP. So all these arguments about having to do something is largely complete Bravo Sierra.

Second, if I walk by $10 lying on the ground I am not made worse off by not picking it up, even if somebody else notices it and picks it up I am still not made worse off. Further, the greater my personal wealth the less significant that $10 becomes. This last notion gets back to opportunity cost which everybody gets when it comes to mining your own minerals (well, usually in that many people either ignore transaction costs, and some even conclude that mining is a worthless endeavor), but fail to grasp the larger meaning. The more SP I have, the less benefit I’m getting from that 10,000 SP/day. So the more SP I acquire that should be negatively correlated to logging in just to get that 10,000 SP/day. If I am logging in and getting that SP would be part of my normal activities…fine, but if not I should not feel like I have to do, just like a person should not feel like they have to look for that penny they dropped and rolled off in some random direction.

If you have 50, 60, 100 million SP and you are still feeling compelled to log in for that 10,000 SP/day…okay, but maybe you should see a doctor about that OCD.