EVE General Discussion

Dear CCP,

I noticed today that the "Recurrent Opportunities" were live and tried it out.
I am sure this is meant for players to be more active and go out and about in New Eden to do stuff. Much like the increased brokers fee forced my trading alt out of the station to get that standing up so I wouldn't be ripped off each time I placed a sell order.
Which I am perfectly fine with actually because it provided another element that I had to deal with in order to streamline my operations as much as possible. i.e increased level of difficulty.

However, regarding Recurrent Opportunities.
It INSTANTLY made me think of another game that I played for years, (Yes it was WOW, please don't hate me everyone) and I cannot say it was a good feeling.
Recurrent opportunities or "dailies" is a slippery slope, ultimately it will ruin the game. Logging in to do something that in this case will grant you just shy of 4 MILLION SP each year is just too good to pass on. Consequently I will log in everyday and do this daily with no increase in content what so ever. And the only outcome is turning players into mindless busy-workers feeling like they have to complete this task or else they will lose out. NEVER a good feeling.
Trust me, I know, and anyone else who played WOW knows.

Now lets look at that example, WOW.
They started with dailies and then they expanded on the subject much like you have planned. Introducing "content" like this might be easy and you might think "Hey lets make some more so players can spend some more time each day doing this and in the process they might come across some pvp or contesting over the dailies".

I'm sure Blizzard though the same way you are thinking right now, but it spiraled out of control and nowadays the players are stuck in their "content providing activities" and the community is basically non existent. Much like the subscribing customers...

I am not even going to debate on the issue that the reward for these dailies are SP. I am sure you can guess my thoughts on that.

PLEASE CCP do not ruin the game. It does not need to be easier, it does not need to constantly keep you occupied, it does not need to force you to log in. We still will, but not if you take away the reason so many of us play this game and that being it's unforgiving and relentless nature.


Anyway, those are just my thought as an experienced mmorpg player...

What play style does it incentivize?

Wow talk about throwing stuff at a wall and hoping something sticks.

1. Isn't time always a factor in game? Time is what determined the rate at which you acquire SP which in turn determined a considerable amount of what you could do (fly a BS, use a T2 module, etc.). If anything, this changes it that a little bit.

2. This is a good point and I'd like to see this point addressed by CCP.

3. Okay, but gaining SP has always been stupidly easy. You just set up your training queue and log in now and then to update it.

4. Much of what new players can do is mind numblingly boring. Mining and missions, IMO, suck donkey balls. Trading is boring. Ratting sucks too. PvP is about the only thing that is not horribly boring. I have to do some of these boring things so I can afford the ships for PvP, but generally speaking they are boring.

5. Brand spanking new SP are created every day in vast quantities.

6. Not getting a benefit is not imposing a cost nor damaging. If I win the lottery and get millions are you somehow made poorer?

7. No, if anything it provides an additional benefit for time limited players. Now you can log in blap a single rat and get a nice reward. Shouldn't take too terribly long.

8. So, go shoot another type of rat in another region.

So out of your 8 I see 1 where you really had a good point. Should have ran with that one.

Personally, I imagine this will be something newer players take more advantage of. I won't be using it much. Depending on how it works, is shooting a rat with a bunch of other people sufficient? If so I'll get some extra SP on occasion when an FC has us shoot the gate rats. Other than that, I doubt I'll get this benefit very often and I certainly will not be logging in every day just to get it. I have 135 million SP already. Getting 10,000 each day is not much...at least not enough for me to feel like I need to log in every single day and go shoot a rat. It is called opportunity cost.

I'll leave this here for you.

Opportunity Cost

And yes, I'll likely be passing up much of that "free" SP.

i like this feature, nice small bonus, but encourges people to log in. how is this a bad thing?


also it is only 10k sp and 3.5 million in a ENTIRE YEAR assuming you logged on every day......

Same talk about injectors 3 months ago, over 200 pages, mostly criticism...Now most people are used to them, same thing will happen to "dailies". The game does not obligate you to do them, plus you can earn the bonus just by doing your usual activities, so It will pass, like every time. It sure needs to develop in some way though. I know CCP can handle it.

I would argue that is hardly playing the game at all. Imagine the fits people would throw if you actually had to shoot another player for the bonus though.

No, because it suits me and actually promotes player interaction. I wouldn't actively support it either though.

People said that about a lot of changes, generally incorrectly.

Literally impossible.

They already miss out on hundreds of other activities they could partake in each day. Why does the limit make it worse? And why do people not freak out if they don't complete the epic arcs they can only repeat once every three months?

And not only is WOW still an absolutely massive game with a huge amount of revenue, but the existence of dailies is not generally considered one of it's major failings. The utter destruction of old content in cataclysm and the introduction of kung fu panda however...

So wait, it's unforgiving and relentless, but if they add missions you can complete once per day, that all goes away? It's not and has never been unforgiving and relentless since the only thing you can really lose is ISK, which is dead easy to make, and the introduction of recurring opportunities won't change a thing about that regardless.

It suit your you, sure.
Player interaction? People would shot an alt, 0 player interaction.