Wormholes

I'm not sure this is confirmed.

I'm not raising hell, just stating how I feel about citadels. What else do you expect me to discuss about on the forums? You can also contribute to this discussion by pointing me to any sort of proof that reinforces your statement. It's easy to miss in a wall of text that is the dev blog.

Don't have just one citadel. Pretty simple, mediums are are about as cheap as a large faction tower was and more resilient.

Spread your assets around like you did with POSes, citadels are replacing POSes but people seem to have this idea that they're meant to consolidate all existing POSes into one structure. This makes 0 sense.

I think what people want is their 10 deathstar POSes to be combined into one structure and put everything in there, this won't and will never be a reality because it just means your assets are now "safe".

Insert rich as f*** meme.

Hahaha :D just what i thought ... "we actually wanted to have 3-4 keepstars, but we didn't want to get too much attraction about our ISK-situation ... btw did i mention about our 200 dreads and carriers we could bring into a fight"

Don't wanna see the tears of the c1 ppl reading this and now using their abacus to be like "if we save here with fuel and don't get blown up for 2 weeks, we might be able to afford that one medium ... "

I think you vastly overestimate most nullsec groups ability to properly mount any WH offensive. I can say with some certainty, because I researched this for the Fanfest presentation, nullsec has NEVER evicted even a mid size corp from a wormhole. The closest I could find was test bringing 200 people to try and evict a 40ish man corp. Test lost.

Is there some truth to your concern that the loot fairy will make people more likely to burn down citadels knowing theyre juicy loot pinatas? Maybe, but i doubt its much more than obvious POS pinatas.

Something I think you are failing to take into account is how easy it is to evac a citadel. Rapecaging a citadel is almost impossible, and between the citadels ability to blap bubbles/ hictors, and the massive tether range stopping people from flying back and forth between citadels is extremely difficult.

As noobman pointed out, some redundancies in your defense plan makes it a lot more effort to burn multiple citadels down than POSes. In a POS when it gets RFed all your hangars lock up, guaranteeing that loot may drop. Not so in a citadel, the only thing that you cant do is outright trash all your stuff once its in armor. ( Null confirmed on TF thats supposed to be working).

Additionally, you can spread out your citadel timers, significantly increasing the amount of time attackers need to invest to burn your entire system down. With 7 mediums you can make sure each is only vulnerable 1 day a week, forcing attackers to have to spend an entire week ( and maybe a whole week of hole control) to burn you out. As pointed out several times, structure bashing isnt fun, and I cant see anyone spending that kind of time investment for anything but a grudge.

I cant speak for everyone, but im not going to spend my corp's entire week to get your medium citadel's worth of loot when you can just keep moving the stash to a new citadel. I dont really care how much it is, thats just not fun.


Now, if you cant figure out how to try and mount a defense vs invaders, than nothing has really changed anyways, but from the perspective of a defender, citadels give you a lot more options, and time to plan.