Warfare & Tactics

Well I think having people being able to stay logged in while sleeping and working as dumb in terms of a game. Next thing you will tell me you support AFK mining or AFK Ishtar ratting. We accept that we have to have blocks to just logging out but that means there is no penalty to leaving your character logged in somewhere as area denial.

My suggestion was based on so many people saying he is AFK what is the issue, and the simple answer is that you do not know if he is AFK, so if that is the driver for you saying no issue lets flag him as AFK. My mind is more focussed on the data gathering side of it then anything else on whether they are potentially really active.

I am going to say up yours to the next part, to acuse me of wanting to PvE in safety is rubbish, its to stop people from having such massive impacts while sleeping and working. Some people said and what if he is not really AFK and uses that to his advantage and I said, great, he is at his keyboard, I am totally fine with it. That is a whine on your part accusing me of wanting to PvE in safety, nope I hate the AFK part, purely and simply that and if you want to put words in my mouth or accuse me of wanting total saftey you are diverting attention from the real issue, people having a massive impact while AFK.

EDIT: To further ram home the point

I like hunting these people, but if he is at work or sleeping then all my efforts are wasted, setting up bait ships lighting trick cyno's etc. etc., it is all for nothing, because the scumbag is either at work or sleeping, so how do I interact with the person so I can kill him. The flag will enable me to say ahhh there is nothing I can do against that player to kill him at this point because he is not operating his character, I will wait until he is active then. So if you want to say oh you want to PVE in safety, I call you out on that rubbish I want to blow the idiots ship up and pod him too and how can I do that when he is AFK?

My business is to blow up his ship and pod him, how can I do that when he is sleeping or at work? And why should I have to waste time setting up bait and traps when he is not even at his keyboard? Why should I spend time working to get him to come in on me when he is not even at his keyboard, answer me that?

Oh you want a flag for when someone is at the keyboard but we have to infiltrate a corp just to findout if someone is online...
The doublethink is strong in this thread.

How to counter a cloaky camper 101

Method 1: Move to a different system

Method 2( my personal favorite): Rat or mine in a ship that has a good tank. For example a heavy tanked snake or a battleskiff for mining. Create or join a standing fleet in your pve system(s). Go about your business as normal. If cloaky camper warps in you simply give a shout out on TS or intel or both. Your fleet members swoop in and kill or run cloaky camper off. cloaky camper remains a cloaky camper since attacking targets in the system is risky. This method can also be used to bait the camper, especially with a battleskiff.


Both methods have been proven to work well. Cloaky campers are little more than a nuisance if you know how to deal with them

Yawn, I have killed so many cloaky campers, the issue is never them, its what they can drop on you and to suggest otherwise is completely ********.

So Roenok Baalnorn you support AFK play cool beans.

Roenok Baalnorn, instead of you I went and looked at the OP's systems, they have 4 or 5 systems, they are next to Solar who tend to have people who drop blues, do you know nothing about the game in 0.0? Let me point it out so you get it, Solar have people who drop blues, its the way they are. The OP has 4 to 5 systems you can cover that with a couple of people .

Yeah go and rat or mine in a ship with a good tank and give a great kill mail, the OP said that he is operating outside the main TZ of his alliance, what then? Come on give me some strategies or tactics that will win big, you can do it...

To the OP, these people are members of the church of the HTFU, they give you crap advice that they will never do themselves, so HTFU members go and have sov next to Solar and see what happens...

OP, direct your tears towards this thread, thank you.



i can't really understand what you are trying to say here. they chose to live beside Solar, nobody forced them to do that. if Solar hot drops blues i don't think afk-cloaking is the issue here anymore.

the big strategy here is to reset Solar and force them to move, if the OP's corp can't then either they move or OP quits the game because honestly speaking i don't think this game suits the OP.

afk-flagging is just a band-aide solution, lots of things people can do to avoid afk-flagged, lol.

First of all I saw Solar do this type of thing in the past with Red Alliance aligned groups, during the Red Alliance war against -A- and friends. There were a group of them that just farmed kills of their allies with neutral accounts who were blue to Solar. In any case the OP is unlikely to be aware of who this is and I would have to do some careful digging to find out for sure. In any case its often the reality of 0.0.

The OP sounds like he wants to hunt them, which means he wants to play the game, the people AFK cloaking camping are not in fact playing the game, they cannot be baited, see the issue or do you chose to ignore it like everyone else. I have killed plenty of campers in my time, but on very few occasions did I get them when they were AFK.

AFK flagging is a way to do this and keep the existing log off system. If you are talking about using a bot then that is against the rules and they will be banned, do you support that type of game play I don't.

AFK flagging is the only solution to deal with this issue once and for all and if people use that AFK flagging while at the keyboard to get kills well good on them, they are at their keyboard and playing and that is the important part.

Actually you should finish the sentence why it is a bad idea, but you are like so many Eve posters, a one liner wonder-boy.

What you just said is OK because you are at the keyboard, as soon as you do anything in that client you will be flagged as active, so the only thing you can do to game this is sit in a site and nab someone there, but here is the rub, you have to wait an hour for that tag to be applied and if you do anything with that client the timer re-sets.

It is so telling that you could not finish that sentence however...

Continue with your line of thought, because either the player is at his keyboard or he is using a bot, I would of course be monitoring that player over an extended period and if he is continiously not reporting as AFK then I would have to assume he is either superman or using some sort of bot, but I would be reporting him to CCP to check for input mechanisms.

Or do you have some other weird and wonderful suggestion like a mechanical method to click your left mouse button every hour?

However while you are asleep and working you cannot do it, unless you can login at work or you account share when sleeping, however just because someone can do this in his active period means I am gathering intel on his real activity, so .it enables me to gather that intel faster. Of course he can try to game it, but that's fine.

Any other thoughts?