Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Right. Overview is primarily used for targetting. What he asked for is to have overview indicate things in range. No biggie.

Why this resulted in derision and calls to 'get better' in the name of teh Dev time is a problem with the community. Suggest anything QoL with no direct application to easier ganking or scamming and it will attract a small group of trolls who seem to believe that the challenge in EVE should come from a recaltrant and outdated interface.

Do at least try to comprehend the topic. The suggested feature has nothing to do with the simulation window.

That's the thing about QoL issues. They aren't necessarily needed. They are just a nice thing to have that makes something a bit more pleasant.

It matters not at all that the info is available elsewhere. The topic was about indicating it in the overview.

Op: I feel having this in the overview would improve my QoL in game.
Forum troll: You suck, you don't need this, dev time, available elsewhere, try to suck less.
Op: I use the overview for this function, it would makes sense and be better if this was indicated there.
Forum troll: why is looking elsewhere too hard for you. Suck less it won't be an issue.
Op: I don't use that window for this, the overview does it better except this one small thing.
Forum troll: prove its needed, you still just suck too hard.
Op: it's not needed, it's just a QoL issue, harming none.
Forum troll: just use other window, I do so you should too. My preferences are all that matter.


...and so on.

Asking anything at all about the same info being available elsewhere is off topic. Simple request- indicate it in overview. It's already tracked in the client. It would take very little time unless the code is arcane scribblings that need fixed anyway.

However, a simple answer to your question is that perhaps the op plays at max zoom out where he cannot see individual ships in the simulation window because he is on an older or underpowered machine that has hissy fits in particle clouds, and/or runs several clients at once on the same machine. He may be using the overview much more than you, and this would make some things easier for him.

...and it harms you how?

You see... You don't give a reason why not. You just go off topic about stuff being available elsewhere, and then try to shame him for not wanting to do it like you want him to.

He didn't say the other was too hard, he just said it would be nice if it was in the overview.

So far the only actual objection to that is the information density of the overview itself. I personally mark it in the suggestions favor, as all the other target info is there, and it makes sense for this to be included with that. But it's a point that isn't actually attacking the op for not being elite like everyone else.

So... In no way whatsoever. Got it.

If some future feature requires it, it can be worked in at that time.

No, I mean lets just not do anything else ever again because we might have an even better idea 3 years down the line that takes the same stuff.

That's pretty weak, especially as he's asking for targeting info to be on the most widely used targeting tool in the game.

It could simply show a brighter text when things came into target range, and the same highlight when you mouse over a module when it's in range as it does in the simulation window at the same time.

Point is, if you don't like it that's fine, and if you have a real reason why not feel free to share... But what happened here was a perfectly fine low impact QoL suggestion and the op got treated like he asked for 10million free instant skill points and a lollipop. That is a problem with the community, and it needs to called out every time it happens because it's insane. You don't have to comment on something you don't like if the only thing you have to say is no. You don't have to have a reason to not like it. But if you are going to comment either come with something real and be prepared to honestly discuss and iterate on the idea, or just hold your bile and let the post die.

EvE has long been known for its toxic playerbase, and as the game continues to age we aren't helping by being dill holes on the forums to everyone who hasn't been camping out here for 8 years.

It's not the disagreement that makes it toxic.

It's telling someone how bad they are for not doing things their way that is.

I said their idea was an unessasary waist of time and space. I never said anything about the person who presented it. i don't think anyone did

Ah now we get to the root of the problem. This is not the help other players segment of the forums, this is the you post an idea and the rest of us have a chance to post our responses section of the forum. So in the future simply be prepared, if those who read your idea do not like it they will post a response. And here is a bitter vet (pro) tip for you, do not take objections given personally we do not hate you just the idea. And here is another pro tip for you, instead of posting the same tired old crap about we do not like something because bitter vet or we just want to keep newbies down, or we simply do not want the game to change try to understand our positions and then try to come up with a solid response.

Since you are new to the game and these forums let me give you a few more bitter vet tips to help you.
If you want help the following sections of the forums are where you go to get help.
New Citizens Q/A or the General Discussions
But in reality there is an entire section of the forums called "EvE Gamplay Center" that is specifically for you to ask questions and get answers. Sorry that section is a title only or I would provide link to that as well, but it really is very easy to find.

Now back to the OP.
1 - NO to your idea because I am tired of my UI lighting up like a damned flashing neon sign in a dark alley simply because I move my mouse over something, you may like it I find it irritating and useless.

2 - NO to your idea because the game already has the ultimate indicator of targeting range, it simply will not allow you to target something that is outside your targeting range, there can be no clearer way of displaying your max target range than that. But I want to know if it is in range BEFORE I try to target it, my answer is use your brain and your eyes and the information clearly shown on the overview. Your brain to remember you max targeting range and your eye to see and read the range to target already listed in your overview. But bitter vet you will say and I say no, personal preference see #1 above.