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Loot table differences pirate factions/ drone region
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Bingham McSnuggles
Bobs Wrath
Kickstart my Heart
#21 - 2016-05-16 13:47:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Bingham McSnuggles
morion wrote:
the drops were called alloys there were approximately 1/2 a dozen or so flavors they as a pool refined to all mineral flavors.
the term used back then for drones was allude to as gun mining as basically you shot things for minerals
and traditional mining in drone regions was about Zero.

I seem to recall the alloys were also a rather compressed pre package of minerals ratios as well they were nifty a bit to nifty.
drones in all manner of agent missions dropped them as well.



yes im aware of that issue, and i totally understand why it got nerfed so hard. but ccp could have replaced the alloys with some random loot ( t1 mods or whatever) instead of just removing any kind of loot form rogue drones. its a little bit too much nerf. but time will bring changes, i have to be patient ;)

btw, fo some people mining in null got hard again, due to those infested carrier spawns in belts . so rathe u dont mine cause its not worth it because the rats already drop minerals, or u lose ships while mining because of that spawns :D
and lets be honest honest, when i was in fountain i reprocessed all that random loot to minerals...which is basically nearly the same as those alloy thingy, i think ;)
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#22 - 2016-05-17 00:34:19 UTC
Now that refining has been thoroughly nerfed, and JF logistics is more difficult (minorly so), it's probably time that CCP put drone alloys back into drops.
Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2016-05-17 08:09:40 UTC
The reason that some space is better than other space is to give you a reason to go invade other space.

ie CCP don't ever need to try perfect balance the drops / bounties etc.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2016-05-17 11:21:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiddle Jr
Rawketsled wrote:
Now that refining has been thoroughly nerfed, and JF logistics is more difficult (minorly so), it's probably time that CCP put drone alloys back into drops.



didn't they compensate alloys drop cut off by bounties? and what would you expect from Drones anyway? they are all rogue ones...

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Commander Spurty
#25 - 2016-05-17 15:55:41 UTC
AN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION: Drones used to drop minerals (but no bounty) and it was an issue because you could 'mine with guns'. Mineral prices plummeted.

CCP SPOT THIS AND PERFORM AN 'ADJUSTMENT': Sadly, just 'turning off the drops and replacing them with a bounty' was their solution. Which is strange, as we now have all of these Drone modules and no one dropping them. Be nice if they [CCP] could back fill the meta versions. - I just read what I typed and it feels so wrong that I'm now 'unsure' they didn't actually do this.

So, perhaps they just forgot to turn on the drops for Drones again?

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Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
#26 - 2016-05-17 18:49:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Cien Banchiere
I lIve in the Drone Lands too. Ratting is not exactly rewarding except for the 10/10 everyone gets doing hordes. That is literally all rafters do now and so people have so many 10/10s lined up its just a endless cycle. The capital rats have kinda spiced it up but barely.

I know people will be like "argh but it's ISK" Yes, it is. But the whole goal of people know is just how fast can you do 10/10s and well, they just grow old. I like meta modules and loot drops.
Nalia White
Tencus
#27 - 2016-05-17 19:02:24 UTC
like others said drones were used for "gun mining". with the right ship you could get more minerals than mining. the loot of drones were only used for that, reprocessing into minerals. they did not have bounties on them at that time though.

then ccp stopped that and removed the drone alloys and gave them bounties instead (good move i think, but sadly another ISK generator). they said they would replace the loot with something... and it's been that way since then. they just said it :)

ah not exactly... drones got faction and officer drops. as someone else said before that there were only the bounties.

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Rawketsled
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#28 - 2016-05-17 23:44:28 UTC
Gun Mining did devalue pretty much the entire asteroid mining industry.

What I think should be done is the loot tables should be used to tally up the average mineral drop from modules. Not the mineral value, but the minerals themselves. Then use that to compute drop rates of drone alloys that give an equivalent volume of minerals.

The important thing to consider here is that drone alloys won't benefit from the {asteroid} reprocessing skills, so they'll still refine for worse than ores. It's a buff to the Drone Regions, one that will possibly hurt the mineral market a bit, but make a few regions of s
Bingham McSnuggles
Bobs Wrath
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#29 - 2016-05-17 23:58:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Bingham McSnuggles
Nalia White wrote:
like others said drones were used for "gun mining". with the right ship you could get more minerals than mining. the loot of drones were only used for that, reprocessing into minerals. they did not have bounties on them at that time though.

then ccp stopped that and removed the drone alloys and gave them bounties instead (good move i think, but sadly another ISK generator). they said they would replace the loot with something... and it's been that way since then. they just said it :)

ah not exactly... drones got faction and officer drops. as someone else said before that there were only the bounties.



well i never seen faction drops so far. only blueprint copies, which also dont drop very often. and to clarify things: pirate fation ships give same bounty as drones + bounty ;)
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2016-05-18 01:55:45 UTC
Bingham McSnuggles wrote:


well i never seen faction drops so far. only blueprint copies, which also dont drop very often. and to clarify things: pirate faction ships give same bounty as drones + bounty ;)



this is the way how CCP does fix their own mistakes.

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Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2016-05-18 08:41:31 UTC
do anomalies -> farm capital rats -> loot capital rats.
Should make plenty of money so you can just import whatever minerals you need.
Yes drone regions are worse than pirate factions but then again this is EVE we live with the injustices of everyday life.
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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2016-05-18 10:14:31 UTC
When i was living in Droneland back in 2011-2012 i used to make my ISK from 10/10 escalations. When you train a little, prepare your ships and fits and get used to it it takes like 1 hour and nets you guarantied 500+ million ISK. People sell bookmark for 150 mil so it's 350 for an hour. I had 3 alts and used to buy and run 2 escalations each evening. Made pretty lots of easy ISK.

I don't know what is there now. But if 10/10 are still present and people sell it then maybe they worth something?

Other way is more WHy: you scan for wormholes leading to 0.0-systems somewhere else and run anomalies there Lol

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