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Understanding Cloaking
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Dragon of Stone
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2016-05-16 10:40:54 UTC
Simple solution is to contact who killed you and ask.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#22 - 2016-05-16 11:15:17 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
That last quote is wrong it is the one second ticks that are important.

Oh ok.

In that case:

Dracvlad wrote:
Eve works in one second ticks, so if you have a ship with the same warp speed they will create safe spots in exactly the same place,...

This is not correct.
Terquil
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2016-05-16 11:33:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Terquil
Dracvlad wrote:
Terquil wrote:
You just can't decloak someone who made a third safe between two other safes. Nope. Not gonna happen. If someone says so I want proof or it didn't happen and they just talk BS.

File a petition. Either you weren't cloaked or some bug.


The key word here is celestial, creating a safe between two celestial's then from that safe creating another safe from that BM to another celestial. Stop being stupid and read what I said, if the calibre of Eve players has gone down to such a level that they don't understand what I said then that is your failure to read it and failure to understand it. Sometimes the system layout makes it very easy to work out what a lazy player would use.

He said warping somewhere else, if that had been another celestial then he could have been found by a real hunter with attitude, but if it was another BM then no he would not have been decloaked by someone doing what I described. Now use your brain and think it through, it is not rocket science, jeeez....


Yes pls, read first and understand before bit**slapping around. And re-read what you answered to others first because you or the OP never said anything of a celestial. Don't be a smartass when you clearly don't read right. It's not rocket science you know?
Cranial Rectidus
ElevenBravo
#24 - 2016-05-16 11:33:36 UTC
Krevnos wrote:
One of my corp mates reported yesterday that a bug was causing them to de-cloak randomly on their scouting character while sitting in their safe spot. Apparently it happened to them twice during the day.


Actually this has happened a lot for me for the last couple of weeks while scouting. I can be in scan and probing and suddenly see my D-scan pop up some combat probes within 2 AU and I see that for some reason I am de-cloaked.

This has happened in many forms and maybe once or twice I got busy and forgot to cloak... The rest of the times I simply de-cloak and freak out wondering if someone just bumped me in the middle of nowhere!!
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#25 - 2016-05-16 11:57:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Terquil wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Terquil wrote:
You just can't decloak someone who made a third safe between two other safes. Nope. Not gonna happen. If someone says so I want proof or it didn't happen and they just talk BS.

File a petition. Either you weren't cloaked or some bug.


The key word here is celestial, creating a safe between two celestial's then from that safe creating another safe from that BM to another celestial. Stop being stupid and read what I said, if the calibre of Eve players has gone down to such a level that they don't understand what I said then that is your failure to read it and failure to understand it. Sometimes the system layout makes it very easy to work out what a lazy player would use.

He said warping somewhere else, if that had been another celestial then he could have been found by a real hunter with attitude, but if it was another BM then no he would not have been decloaked by someone doing what I described. Now use your brain and think it through, it is not rocket science, jeeez....


Yes pls, read first and understand before bit**slapping around. And re-read what you answered to others first because you or the OP never said anything of a celestial. Don't be a smartass when you clearly don't read right. It's not rocket science you know?


You are a bit of a dipstick, he said between two celestial's and then said from another spot and that could have been got between another two celetial's and his comment about deep safe was likely not what I would call a deep safe. I of course missed the fact that it was three in rather than two which I hold my hand up to, but even then in certain systems a three deep with limited options from celestials is in theory vulnerable, which is why paranoid people like me burn off in random directions and use expired anomalies. Anyway I am not going to reply again, because I am letting out some methods that I use to hunt lazy dipsticks...

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Ashilta
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#26 - 2016-05-16 12:00:23 UTC
Ashilta wrote:
Morning,

They were cloaked in a deep safe, which had been created some time ago by warping between two celestials, dropping a bookmark, warping somewhere else, warping to the original bookmark, and then warping between the bookmarks to create a third and final bookmark. This way, I greatly reduce the risk of being found 'accidentally'.


What I actually said is quoted.

Celestial A to Celestial B
Drop bookmark in warp, not at the mid point (too obvious)
Warp to Celestial C
Warp from C to Bookmark
Drop bookmark mid-warp, again not at the mid point
Warp to bookmark 1
Warp to bookmark 2
Drop bookmark mid-warp, again not at the mid point
Bookmark 3 is the 'deep safe'
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#27 - 2016-05-16 12:01:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Ashilta wrote:
Ashilta wrote:
Morning,

They were cloaked in a deep safe, which had been created some time ago by warping between two celestials, dropping a bookmark, warping somewhere else, warping to the original bookmark, and then warping between the bookmarks to create a third and final bookmark. This way, I greatly reduce the risk of being found 'accidentally'.


What I actually said is quoted.

Celestial A to Celestial B
Drop bookmark in warp, not at the mid point (too obvious)
Warp to Celestial C
Warp from C to Bookmark
Drop bookmark mid-warp, again not at the mid point
Warp to bookmark 1
Warp to bookmark 2
Drop bookmark mid-warp, again not at the mid point
Bookmark 3 is the 'deep safe'

Yes. What you said was quite clear.

Deep safe would normally also require that it is >14.7 AU from any celestial, so you are off d-scan everywhere, or ideally saved at an incursion site, since it's not possible to go way off grid anymore, except when there is an incursion in system, but what you said was understandable.
Ashilta
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#28 - 2016-05-16 12:05:44 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:

Yes. What you said was quite clear.


I thought so too.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2016-05-16 12:07:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Gully Alex Foyle
Dragon of Stone wrote:
Simple solution is to contact who killed you and ask.
This.

It either was:

1) A bug
2) Your mistake (you didn't actually cloak)
3) Someone managed to probe you before you cloaked, or at any other time you were not cloaked in that safespot

If you ask them they should clear up 3).

If that's not the case, petition it and CCP should be able to determine whether it's 1) or 2).


Quick advice: before you go AFK while cloaked, double-click in a random direction and get your ship moving. That helps avoid 3). EDIT: even better, if you're not being probed first burn at least 20km or so in a random direction, then cloak and continue moving for good measure.


o/

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Terquil
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2016-05-16 12:08:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Terquil
Yeah we understood perfectly fine. At least some did....


Oh well dark, those methods weren't invented by you and you're not the only one who hunts that way. In whs you have even finer methods of creating safes, but ofc you know that ;)
Nalia White
Tencus
#31 - 2016-05-16 12:09:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Nalia White
Dracvlad wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Eve works in one second ticks, so if you have a ship with the same warp speed they will create safe spots in exactly the same place, so it sounds like someone used the same ships and created their safe doing the same thing...

By any chance did you make an attempt to calculate the likelihood of 2 people creating safe spots within 2km of each other before suggesting it?


We have done it to someone...


yeah of course. :)

so you tell me that there was a cloaker in your system on some safespot and you just warped between celestials and created safespots until you were 2km near him?

holy ****, how can you even suggest such an impossible thing and telling us we should believe it?

most likely you forgot to cloak or were decloaked before warp somehow and you thought you were still cloaked. happened to me so many times on my cloaky alt so i just put it out there :)

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#32 - 2016-05-16 12:13:12 UTC
Ashilta wrote:
Ashilta wrote:
Morning,

They were cloaked in a deep safe, which had been created some time ago by warping between two celestials, dropping a bookmark, warping somewhere else, warping to the original bookmark, and then warping between the bookmarks to create a third and final bookmark. This way, I greatly reduce the risk of being found 'accidentally'.


What I actually said is quoted.

Celestial A to Celestial B
Drop bookmark in warp, not at the mid point (too obvious)
Warp to Celestial C
Warp from C to Bookmark
Drop bookmark mid-warp, again not at the mid point
Warp to bookmark 1
Warp to bookmark 2
Drop bookmark mid-warp, again not at the mid point
Bookmark 3 is the 'deep safe'


Thanks I will send you a mail in game.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Ashilta
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#33 - 2016-05-16 12:23:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Ashilta
Nalia White wrote:
most likely you forgot to cloak or were decloaked before warp somehow and you thought you were still cloaked. happened to me so many times on my cloaky alt so i just put it out there :)


The character in question had been in system and cloaked for some considerable time. The character is used as eyes for intel, whilst my main does things in the next system. I had checked, periodically, that they were cloaked and they were. I am satisfied that this isn't what happened.

Petition submitted - I'll let you all know the result.

Dracvlad wrote:
Thanks I will send you a mail in game.

Please don't.
Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#34 - 2016-05-16 14:00:31 UTC
Do you have a cat?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#35 - 2016-05-16 17:55:19 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Eve works in one second ticks, so if you have a ship with the same warp speed they will create safe spots in exactly the same place, so it sounds like someone used the same ships and created their safe doing the same thing...

By any chance did you make an attempt to calculate the likelihood of 2 people creating safe spots within 2km of each other before suggesting it?



Dude.

Dracvlad is the only player I know who successfully hunted down and killed an AFK cloaker. His intel capabilities in the background make me eternally glad he's not a merc.

I have not been so afraid of another player since Herr Willkus and King Rothgar ( who can scan you down without you getting a chance to see the probes).


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#36 - 2016-05-16 18:16:07 UTC
Ashilta wrote:

Dracvlad wrote:
Thanks I will send you a mail in game.

Please don't.




Best thing said in this thread, +9001

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Bishop Bob
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2016-05-16 18:29:22 UTC
Ashilta wrote:
... one of my toons ...


If you have 2 accounts active at the same time on 2 different monitors, it might be possible to press a key on one account when the focus is on the other one. This means that it might be possible to accidentally uncloak your second account without realising it and then find the hostile POS you are scouting has shot your Cov Ops. Of course, this is all theory and can't have happened to anyone 3 times...
Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#38 - 2016-05-16 20:48:59 UTC
It's my understanding that you can find uncloaked people on line safes with out probes.

However, under cloak nobody has been able to find me... however, I can think of a way you can be found.

If you had a momentary power loss or internet glitch, it could have been down long enough to trigger the auto warp function. I watched my Corp Mate disconnect twice last night and in the minute it took him to get back on line, his ship would warp off in a random direction. Once it even warped back to the original spot.

If this happened, your cloak would drop and you would be vulnerable. This is a hazard of AFK cloaking from my understanding.

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etgfrogs
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2016-05-16 21:13:01 UTC
Without a timer you will log out near instantly in space, so that isn't likely unless the person has a way of forcing someone to disconnect with a push of a button.

The only thing I can think of is someone already had probes down and was tracking the OP before they cloaked. Then they simply screened the area with scan probes so that one would bump them which will deactivate cloak. This sort of thing is less likely to happen in a smaller ship, but in something like a capital with its slow warp speed and large area it can get bumped, I could see it happening.

The last thing I can think of is some type of overview setting that allows scans to see cloaked ship. But that more falls in with tinfoil hat thoughts.
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#40 - 2016-05-16 21:25:18 UTC
I had an instance where I cloaked a ship in a null belt, and rats uncloaked/killed it leaving me afk in a pod for 2 hours.

Better question is "how did no one find me?"

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