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IPO SOLD OUT - New Progressive Lottery Game -- Seeking Players

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Trogdor Montague
Jaque Pot Holdings
#1 - 2016-05-14 01:50:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Trogdor Montague
I am finally ready to build a dream I've had for a long time, an open, fair progressive lottery system similar to that of the popular Powerball and Mega Millions games here in the USA.

For the low entry fee of 1 million isk, you have the opportunity to win one of many prizes, up to a guaranteed jackpot of 1.5 billion, or the current market value of 1 PLEX, whichever is higher! Based on the law of averages, 91% of all money collected will be given right back to the players in the form of prizes, with a 9% margin going to myself and the rest of my investors. 1 in every 17 tickets sold will at least double their investment.

Drawings will be held every Thursday via a YouTube Live Stream using Random.Org at or around 00:00 Eve Time unless otherwise notified. While I need to get a couple of these under my belt before committing, I'd like to hold a drawing every week.

Half of the revenue generated by every ticket purchase goes into our specific Jack Pot Fund Wallet, increasing the grand prize with every ticket sold.

JaquePot players should send ticket requests by "Giving Money" to my corporation, Jaque Pot Holdings in increments of 1 million isk. If you don't provide a comma-separated list of numbers you want to draw in the "reason", we'll issue some randomly-generated ticket numbers. Either way, we will confirm your entry as soon as we are able via an in-game mail.

4 "Black Balls" are pulled from a pool of 1-50
1 "Gold Ball" is pulled from a separate pool of 1-30
The order of the pull does not matter at all

Here's the full payout schedule.
Jackpot Prize - 1:6,909,000 - 4B 1G
1bn - 1:238,241 - 4B 0G
750mil - 1:37,549 - 3B 1G
100mil - 1:1,113 - 2B 1G
50mil - 1:1,295 - 3B 0G
10mil - 1:114 - 1B 1G
5mil - 1:42 - 0B 1G
2mil - 1:38 - 2B 0G
Overall Odds of Winning: 1:17
Prize Money Awarded 91% of Sales


For investment information, I have started the website http://corporate.jaquepot.com, which will publicly display sales, profitability, dividend, and ownership information, as well as serve as a stock market for the corp. Our exact operating procedures can be found at http://corporate.jaquepot.com/bylaws

We are hoping to raise enough with our Stock IPO to fund 10 full minimum Jackpots by selling 1,500 shares at 10 million ISK each. I expect a minimum Earnings Per Share of 30 isk per ticket sold, plus some additional revenue from corporate tax.

Shares can be purchased by sending an in-game mail to my Alt character "Jaque Pot" to discuss details of the transaction.

If anyone has questions or comments, please feel free to reply in this thread, or message me directly in game. I hope the EVE Online community can get as excited about this as I am.
Trogdor Montague
Jaque Pot Holdings
#2 - 2016-05-14 02:04:50 UTC
Our first drawing will be held on 2016.06.02. Ticket sales close at 20:00 Eve Time on 2016.06.01
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#3 - 2016-05-14 03:11:34 UTC
Here we have yet another one - go get him bois.

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.

Trogdor Montague
Jaque Pot Holdings
#4 - 2016-05-14 03:23:48 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Decoy
*snip* For your protection, please do not post personal information on the boards. ~ ISD Decoy
Plleasure Hub
Municorn
#5 - 2016-05-14 04:48:14 UTC
After thorough auditing of your YouTube account, I have come to the conclusion that this might actually be a legitimate venture.

I found that your Favorites list contains:

  • Nerd video about designing Excel macros
  • Numberphile
  • Cat laser bowling
  • Michael Jackson


I rate you 4.5 / 5 on the Meme Match Worthiness Scale.

Furthermore, your Twitter account has activity dating back to 2012, over 200 followers, and proof that you are indeed the owner of the account and the YouTube channel.

I have one concern though. You appear to be a wrestling fan. I'm not sure how I feel about that. Granted, I say this as a former wrestling fan. This particular fact does not help your case.

Overall, though, this does look like it could be a real thing. You have invested a lot of time and effort. I wish you the best of luck!

"There's no meaningful difference between a real and a virtual world. It's pointless to ask anyone who they really are. All you can do is accept and believe in them, because whoever they are in your mind, is their true identity." — Kazuto Kirigaya

Trogdor Montague
Jaque Pot Holdings
#6 - 2016-05-14 05:02:32 UTC
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Plleasure Hub wrote:
I have one concern though. You appear to be a wrestling fan. I'm not sure how I feel about that. Granted, I say this as a former wrestling fan. This particular fact does not help your case.


Full Disclosure: Not just a wrestling fan, but a former ring announcer... Nick Sentowski was my ring name. If you find All-Star Championship Wrestling or NWA Wisconsin videos, you're likely to see me either behind a camera, or at ringside. I recently got back into watching wrestling for some unexplainable reason... I guess it's an addiction of sorts... It just won't leave me alone!

I'm hesitant to share my Google Docs spreadsheet, but I honestly did start working on this back on 9/8/2010... Kinda weirded out that I could find that in my revision history.
Plleasure Hub
Municorn
#7 - 2016-05-14 05:11:01 UTC
Hey, do what makes you happy! I'm not sure why I stopped being a fan. It just happened. Funny story though.. I read an article that advised setting up a Google Alert for your name, so you can be more aware of your digital presence. I discovered that I share a name with some amateur wrestler guy who films these dramatic championship matches out in the woods somewhere. It's hilarious. xD

"There's no meaningful difference between a real and a virtual world. It's pointless to ask anyone who they really are. All you can do is accept and believe in them, because whoever they are in your mind, is their true identity." — Kazuto Kirigaya

Trogdor Montague
Jaque Pot Holdings
#8 - 2016-05-14 05:19:58 UTC
Lol... awesome!
Cista2
EVE Museum
#9 - 2016-05-14 06:29:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Cista2
I like this and I shall possiby send you some money. I (of course) have also considered starting a lottery, so no matter how this goes, I could probably learn something.

Now some questions:

- why did you decide on a model of unlimited ticket sales? This can swing both ways, so if too few tickets are sold, you will build a massive deficit. If too many are sold, ticket holders will feel deceived of winning chances.

- how did you calculate that the expected dividends are 30 ISK per ticket sold?

- who are the current board members?

My channel: "Signatures" -

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#10 - 2016-05-14 10:35:27 UTC
Would like pledge 20bn golden balls

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

deeks87 deacon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2016-05-14 11:21:47 UTC
Do what everyone else does, start a livestream in game and run a lotto from an ingame chat. Takes a few weeks to gain trust and a client base. But i run one a few years back and it raked in billions of isk and payd out billions. Was fun i must admit.

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virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2016-05-14 11:29:03 UTC  |  Edited by: virm pasuul
Trogdor Montague wrote:

4 "Black Balls" are pulled from a pool of 1-50
1 "Gold Ball" is pulled from a separate pool of 1-30
The order of the pull does not matter at all

Here's the full payout schedule.
Jackpot Prize - 4 Black & 1 Gold Match​ - 1:6,909,000
1bn - 4 Black & 0 Gold Match - 1:238,241
750m - 3 Black & 1 Gold Match - 1:37,549
100m - 2 Black & 1 Gold Match - 1:1,113
50m - 3 Black & 0 Gold Match - 1:1,295
10m - 1 Black & 1 Gold Match - 1:114
5m - 0 Black & 1 Gold Match - 1:42
2m - 2 Black & 0 Gold Match - 1:38
Overall Odds Of Winning 1:17


I believe your probability maths is a bit off, although probability maths is hard so it could be me who's wrong.
Jackpot Prize - 4 Black & 1 Gold Match​ - 1:6,909,000
4/50 * 3/49 * 2/48 * 1/47 * 1/30 = 24/165,816,000 = 1:6,909,000 - correct
1bn - 4 Black & 0 Gold Match - 1:238,241
4/50 * 3/49 * 2/48 * 1/47 = 24/5,527,200 = 1:230,300
750m - 3 Black & 1 Gold Match - 1:37,549
4/50 * 3/49 * 2/48 * 1/30 = 24/3,528,000 = 1:147,000
and so on.......

that bit is sort of hard to get right
but there's no excuse for this -
5m - 0 Black & 1 Gold Match - 1:42 WTF????
there's 30 gold balls, the odds on this one is 1 in 30, there's no maths involved here
2m - 2 Black & 0 Gold Match - 1:38
4/50 * 3/49 = 12/2450 = 1:204.16r

It would be nice to actually see someone do something genuine in market discussions for a change, so I wish you luck with this. If you are serious and this is not a scam you need to understand the math behind it. It cannot work without the correct math.

Its a sure bet that behind every game in Vegas the maths is rock solid and has been double, triple, and even quadruple checked. Maths probability is hard, but you cannot run a gambling business without it.
Trogdor Montague
Jaque Pot Holdings
#13 - 2016-05-14 11:56:42 UTC
Cista2 wrote:

- why did you decide on a model of unlimited ticket sales? This can swing both ways, so if too few tickets are sold, you will build a massive deficit. If too many are sold, ticket holders will feel deceived of winning chances.


In terms of my profitability, the margin is the same either way... No matter how many tickets I sell, I should average a pretty consistent margin. The more money entered into the lotto system, the higher the JackPot will get, but my average percentage of margin will stay the same.

Just like the aforementioned Powerball and Mega Millions, ehe same set of ticket numbers can be played by multiple players.

Being a lotto rather than a raffle, there is no guaranteed winner in any drawing... I could sell 10 tickets that all split a jackpot level payout, or I could sell a billion tickets that didn't get lucky at all... It really is a fair deal from all angles.


Cista2 wrote:

- how did you calculate that the expected dividends are 30 ISK per ticket sold?

Thanks to the post below from virm pasuul, I'm going to need to re-evaluate once I double-check my maths... The number was derived from:

(Ticket Price * Assumed Margin) / Shares

Ticket Price:1,000,000
Assumed Margin:.09
Shares: 3,000

Cista2 wrote:

- who are the current board members?

As of right now, it's just me... If this takes off to the point where I do decide to build a website to handle some of the bookkeeping for me, my friends that help with programming, or help me with all the fund transfers, will be given shares out of my pocket as compensation for their contribution.

One such POTENTIAL contributor, Clara Xavier, was already gifted 100 shares simply for introducing me to Eve Online and being way too patient and generous with me when I was starting (and still today). So while I'm the only board member, I will not be a 50%+ owner after the IPO shares sell.
Trogdor Montague
Jaque Pot Holdings
#14 - 2016-05-14 12:13:46 UTC
virm pasuul wrote:
Trogdor Montague wrote:

4 "Black Balls" are pulled from a pool of 1-50
1 "Gold Ball" is pulled from a separate pool of 1-30
The order of the pull does not matter at all

Here's the full payout schedule.
Jackpot Prize - 4 Black & 1 Gold Match​ - 1:6,909,000
1bn - 4 Black & 0 Gold Match - 1:238,241
750m - 3 Black & 1 Gold Match - 1:37,549
100m - 2 Black & 1 Gold Match - 1:1,113
50m - 3 Black & 0 Gold Match - 1:1,295
10m - 1 Black & 1 Gold Match - 1:114
5m - 0 Black & 1 Gold Match - 1:42
2m - 2 Black & 0 Gold Match - 1:38
Overall Odds Of Winning 1:17


I believe your probability maths is a bit off, although probability maths is hard so it could be me who's wrong.
Jackpot Prize - 4 Black & 1 Gold Match​ - 1:6,909,000
4/50 * 3/49 * 2/48 * 1/47 * 1/30 = 24/165,816,000 = 1:6,909,000 - correct
1bn - 4 Black & 0 Gold Match - 1:238,241
4/50 * 3/49 * 2/48 * 1/47 = 24/5,527,200 = 1:230,300
750m - 3 Black & 1 Gold Match - 1:37,549
4/50 * 3/49 * 2/48 * 1/30 = 24/3,528,000 = 1:147,000
and so on.......

that bit is sort of hard to get right
but there's no excuse for this -
5m - 0 Black & 1 Gold Match - 1:42 WTF????
there's 30 gold balls, the odds on this one is 1 in 30, there's no maths involved here
2m - 2 Black & 0 Gold Match - 1:38
4/50 * 3/49 = 12/2450 = 1:204.16r

It would be nice to actually see someone do something genuine in market discussions for a change, so I wish you luck with this. If you are serious and this is not a scam you need to understand the math behind it. It cannot work without the correct math.

Its a sure bet that behind every game in Vegas the maths is rock solid and has been double, triple, and even quadruple checked. Maths probability is hard, but you cannot run a gambling business without it.



YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT

I had an error in my formula that was slanting the whole system heavily in my favor... I'm going to jump up to the top post and correct the odds. I'm adding a payout for matching any one ball, so 1 in 8 will win, and I'll keep the 9% margin
Trogdor Montague
Jaque Pot Holdings
#15 - 2016-05-14 12:38:05 UTC
Actually, I responded too soon. Your math doesn't take into account the possibility of someone winning multiple prizes but not being paid out for the Lesser prizes. I will reevaluate my formulas this evening and update appropriately. At work for the next few hours.
Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2016-05-14 12:38:35 UTC
Trogdor Montague wrote:
Cista2 wrote:

- why did you decide on a model of unlimited ticket sales? This can swing both ways, so if too few tickets are sold, you will build a massive deficit. If too many are sold, ticket holders will feel deceived of winning chances.


In terms of my profitability, the margin is the same either way... No matter how many tickets I sell, I should average a pretty consistent margin. The more money entered into the lotto system, the higher the JackPot will get, but my average percentage of margin will stay the same.

Just like the aforementioned Powerball and Mega Millions, ehe same set of ticket numbers can be played by multiple players.

Being a lotto rather than a raffle, there is no guaranteed winner in any drawing... I could sell 10 tickets that all split a jackpot level payout, or I could sell a billion tickets that didn't get lucky at all... It really is a fair deal from all angles.


Cista2 wrote:

- how did you calculate that the expected dividends are 30 ISK per ticket sold?

Thanks to the post below from virm pasuul, I'm going to need to re-evaluate once I double-check my maths... The number was derived from:

(Ticket Price * Assumed Margin) / Shares

Ticket Price:1,000,000
Assumed Margin:.09
Shares: 3,000

Cista2 wrote:

- who are the current board members?

As of right now, it's just me... If this takes off to the point where I do decide to build a website to handle some of the bookkeeping for me, my friends that help with programming, or help me with all the fund transfers, will be given shares out of my pocket as compensation for their contribution.

One such POTENTIAL contributor, Clara Xavier, was already gifted 100 shares simply for introducing me to Eve Online and being way too patient and generous with me when I was starting (and still today). So while I'm the only board member, I will not be a 50%+ owner after the IPO shares sell.


I would be willing to be a board member in your venture.
Cytherea Deesse
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2016-05-14 14:29:29 UTC
If I were you, I would remove your rl information. I haven¨t looked on your links so not sure how much info the contain, but if any personal things, then plz remove
virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2016-05-14 14:40:29 UTC
Trogdor Montague wrote:
Actually, I responded too soon. Your math doesn't take into account the possibility of someone winning multiple prizes but not being paid out for the Lesser prizes. I will reevaluate my formulas this evening and update appropriately. At work for the next few hours.


I'm pretty sure my math stands. You only pay the highest odds win for each ticket. e.g. if someone wins the jackpot you only pay the jackpot, you don't pay every possible win all the way up to and including the jackpot.
The only way they can win more than once is if they have more than one winning ticket.
The odds above are all for a single ticket.

It would be different if you were running multi win games like Eep's slot machines on I Want ISK. Those have up to 9 different permutations per pull. In this case each of the 9 permutations can win, and they all get paid out.
Trogdor Montague
Jaque Pot Holdings
#19 - 2016-05-14 17:13:48 UTC
virm pasuul wrote:
Trogdor Montague wrote:
Actually, I responded too soon. Your math doesn't take into account the possibility of someone winning multiple prizes but not being paid out for the Lesser prizes. I will reevaluate my formulas this evening and update appropriately. At work for the next few hours.


I'm pretty sure my math stands. You only pay the highest odds win for each ticket. e.g. if someone wins the jackpot you only pay the jackpot, you don't pay every possible win all the way up to and including the jackpot.
The only way they can win more than once is if they have more than one winning ticket.
The odds above are all for a single ticket.

It would be different if you were running multi win games like Eep's slot machines on I Want ISK. Those have up to 9 different permutations per pull. In this case each of the 9 permutations can win, and they all get paid out.


Working on my recalculations now... See http://www.durangobill.com/PowerballOdds.html for an explanation of the calculation methods I'll be using.
virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2016-05-14 18:26:42 UTC
That links looks good. If it comes up with different results to me it is right and I am wrong, assuming you plug the numbers in right :)
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