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What The H-E-Double Hockey Sticks Happened to Mining?

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Cait Nathair
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#101 - 2016-05-17 00:09:32 UTC
1. Find a corp that caters to interests in the sandbox
2. Learn how to protect yourself in the sandbox
a. Learn how to D-Scan
b. Don't use mining drones, carry combat drones and keep them deployed while mining
c. Fit a proper tank to your ship

3. Learn about CODE instead of QQing in the forums
4. Learn how to set CODE to red (maybe ask how to find them and set them in your contacts list?)
5. Get the **** out of highsec
6. ???
7. Profit

If you need help with any of this, please feel free to contact me in-game and I'll do my best to help you out.
Andrey Horvat
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#102 - 2016-05-17 10:42:44 UTC
You should not be AFK mining under any circumstance, ever ever ever. Simple as that. You can be paying less attention, sure. Like while you're mining talking in TS, reading something. But be at your PC and have your hand ready for response.

If you do not take precautions such as aligning to an escape route, mining with a procurer and good fit aswell as if you actually AFK mine you deserve to be suicide ganked.

EVE players belive that they are entitled 100% bulletproof safety in hi-sec and so that they can AFK mine whenever they see fit. This is not the case, this will not be the case.

I am a miner, I use a Procurer. I D-Scan, I don't go AFK, I align to an escape route and I have a tank fit.

And finally add CODE as Orange/Red contact, as soon as they enter your belt. Warp out immediatelly.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#103 - 2016-05-17 10:47:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Aucturis Arbosa wrote:
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Let's see:
- AFK Mining in a retrieve-
- Not docking up while afk
- Fitting your retriever like that(poor thing was begging for a quick death)
- Not using dscan to gtfo when those cats start showing up

You deserved what you got. That's like saying "I'm gonna afk in Street Fighter without pausing the game" and then coming back to see your Ryu KO'd and wondering why the game is bad.


Hey Mr. "I'm better then you" I'm not looking for Trolls....I'm looking for solutions. Sorry I can't spend the 20+hrs a week like you to figure this game out. Solutions or shut the Hell up


- DONT AFK
- DOCK WHEN AFK
- FIT SHIPS PROPERLY
- USE DSCAN TO WATCH FOR CATS

are they suitable enough solutions for you? thxbye

"set code to red" they are -10.0 so they should be flashing red anyway

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Roenok Baalnorn
Baalnorn Heavy Industries
#104 - 2016-05-17 14:34:46 UTC
Aucturis Arbosa wrote:
So I've been away from the game for over a year. Just got back into it and I've been TRYING to mine to build up some money. Unfortunately I've discovered the new "Hotness" in EVE....Asteroid Squatting. When did it become fashionable to absolutely gank a lowly mining rig...in Hi Sec areas and then scream at you for not paying for a mining contract? Ugh

I mean seriously, is this the new "friendly" EVE way of playing? Getting prison gang raped by morons until you either join their prison gang or pay a stupid contract fee and still get blasted by these Heathens? What the hell are you supposed to do to make money? Is AFK mining in HI SEC a relic of the past? I've lost 3 rigs in the last week and I haven't even played that many hours to be honest. Seems like every other time I sign on and try to mine I get podded....I'm starting to think I made a big mistake coming back.

Time to look for new game I suppose?



If you do anything in eve AFKing, then you should NEVER complain about dying. If im AFK, im in a safe place where i cant be shot or scanned usually a dock. Second, High sec mining is pointless. Its like working at walmart when you have a law degree. Mining in null sec will not only solve your ganking and extortion problems but you will make far better money.... but dont do it afk. Either play eve or do something else...not both at same time, at least not both at same time and then complain about it on forums.
Ka Plaa
Doomheim
#105 - 2016-05-17 14:48:45 UTC
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
You'd have a point if it wasn't for the gankers crying all over the forums all the time.

Just as amusing - if not just a little more because of irony - as gankees crying in local and forums too. However, just because some players do something, one is mistaken when one says "all of X-playstyle players do X".



Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Not to mention ZKill doesn't show any of these "other activities" you claim.

Rolling a ganking alt is pretty easy. The players for whom ganking might not be their primary activity in EvE use ganking alts rather than their mains in the vast majority of cases. Of course a killboard will not show that...



Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Cranial's statement lacks subtlety but that doesn't make it false by definition.

All generalisations are wrong. ;)



Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#106 - 2016-05-17 14:55:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Just fly a tanked procurer, tell others around you to fly a tanked procurer, then completely ignore anyone talking about code or the new order in local. They feed off of people reacting, so if you just don't react at all, they get all mad. Even if they bump, just set yourself to orbit something so your ship looks like it's trying to get back then go grab some lunch or something, by the time you get back the bumper has usually got bored of your lack of response.

Ed: Oh and all those people saying you should never be AFK, ignore them too. Mining is the perfect AFK activity, you can mine and play PS4 with ease, just clicking every now and then. Just fit to be AFK so it's difficult for them to disrupt you. Multibox AFK mine too if you can so you can multiply your profits.

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Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#107 - 2016-05-17 15:03:13 UTC
Ka Plaa wrote:
All generalisations are wrong. ;)


Sorry, LOL'd at this. If it's serious the irony is killing me. If it's humor, it's perfect.
Rogwar Toralen
AZLE FUN STUFF
#108 - 2016-05-17 15:54:23 UTC
Join Eve University and learn good safety practices for mining. Then you can teach others. There is no safe place to mine in this game.
Payne Dakara
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#109 - 2016-05-17 17:27:13 UTC
3 step Guide for dummies how to mine AFK in high sec:

1. Stay in NPC corp with your mining alt if you can that will protect you from wardec's
2. Find a quiet system 0.8-0.7
3. Use insured procurer with proper tank fit example:

[Procurer, PROC]
Damage Control II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender
Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender

Modulated Strip Miner II, Scordite Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Mobile tractor unit

That fit will survive 20s against 5 destroyers and even if there are enough gankers 6-7 they will think twice before jumping on you because every time they try to gank you they spend more ISK than you do and with MTU on filed you collect loot form their ships which is pure profit better than mining.

With this fit you can even go and make fun of CODE in Uedama making them made enough so that you make money without even mining.




Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#110 - 2016-05-17 19:18:54 UTC
Payne Dakara wrote:
3 step Guide for dummies how to mine AFK in high sec:

1. Stay in NPC corp with your mining alt if you can that will protect you from wardec's
2. Find a quiet system 0.8-0.7
3. Use insured procurer with proper tank fit example:

[Procurer, PROC]
Damage Control II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender
Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender

Modulated Strip Miner II, Scordite Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Mobile tractor unit

That fit will survive 20s against 5 destroyers and even if there are enough gankers 6-7 they will think twice before jumping on you because every time they try to gank you they spend more ISK than you do and with MTU on filed you collect loot form their ships which is pure profit better than mining.

With this fit you can even go and make fun of CODE in Uedama making them made enough so that you make money without even mining.






This is great advice if your goal is to make your Eve career a short and miserable one. Lets break it down:

1) Don't join an actual player group. Stay in the NPC corp with all the bots and multi-tanking idiots asking how to finish a mining mission. Don't set yourself on a path that might lead to what the game is intended for... you know, interaction with other players.

2) Stay in the systems where literally nothing important ever happens. The ones where no one ever speaks in local, nobody ever has epic pvp, where no one with any ability at all would be caught dead.

3) Select the least productive mining ship possible and then, nerf the crap out of the productivity some more. This will insure that you will need to survive as long as possible because you sure aren't going to be getting much profit/hour. Yeah, you'll be safe. Killing you would be merciful and we don't mind if you suffer at your own hands.

Then you can go to Uedama and mock the CODE. Agents by posting your fit during the pauses between them linking their freighter kills. You can laugh and laugh and laugh....

Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com

Cranial Rectidus
ElevenBravo
#111 - 2016-05-17 20:29:30 UTC
Ka Plaa wrote:
Cranial Rectidus wrote:
The hi-sec gankers are the bottom of the barrel. These are the kids with BB guns bc they aren't good enough yet to use a real rifle. In other words, suicide killing a mining ship is their form of PvP bc they can't do any better against something that can kill them.


What about the many players that don't just hisec gank but do other things in EvE as well? Kinda causes problems with your generalization.



When generalizing it usually always offends someone who doesn't quite fit into it or has to do with one part of it. No avoiding hitting people you don't want to when you fire a shotgun in a crowd with the intention of hitting one specific person. For the most part I think we all know where I am going with my statement on the gankers in hi-sec. No sense explaining in detail or debating it. We know who I am referring to.... those regulars in hi-sec that constantly post up their mining barge kill reports as bragging rights and advertisement even though they suicide ganked to get it. Obviously these are the people with no real claim to PvPness other than the lowest form of killing other players. I mean... killing an AFK or active player in a mining barge that really can't do anything but run... and having to suicide to kill pos target in the first place? Makes me laugh.... these are the types who get scared off by my battle-ibis =).
Spine Ripper
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#112 - 2016-05-17 21:13:10 UTC
Cranial Rectidus wrote:
Ka Plaa wrote:
Cranial Rectidus wrote:
The hi-sec gankers are the bottom of the barrel. These are the kids with BB guns bc they aren't good enough yet to use a real rifle. In other words, suicide killing a mining ship is their form of PvP bc they can't do any better against something that can kill them.


What about the many players that don't just hisec gank but do other things in EvE as well? Kinda causes problems with your generalization.



When generalizing it usually always offends someone who doesn't quite fit into it or has to do with one part of it. No avoiding hitting people you don't want to when you fire a shotgun in a crowd with the intention of hitting one specific person. For the most part I think we all know where I am going with my statement on the gankers in hi-sec. No sense explaining in detail or debating it. We know who I am referring to.... those regulars in hi-sec that constantly post up their mining barge kill reports as bragging rights and advertisement even though they suicide ganked to get it. Obviously these are the people with no real claim to PvPness other than the lowest form of killing other players. I mean... killing an AFK or active player in a mining barge that really can't do anything but run... and having to suicide to kill pos target in the first place? Makes me laugh.... these are the types who get scared off by my battle-ibis =).


When remarking about a subject it is more convincing when one has some actual experience. 0-6 lifetime doesn't cut it as an expert on the pvp lifestyle.

Perhaps your comments are meant to be ironic. In any case, I think everyone understands that a miner is probably unqualified to opine upon the relative leetness of different kinds of pilots who actually have shot someone. Since you know that CODE. post their killmails as a warning to non compliant miners I can only assume you have little understanding of the use of force in enforcing your will upon other entities. I am sure the submarine Captains of WWI and WWII would be quite humiliated by your disdain for warriors who destroyed ships that couldn't shoot back as this was, of course, their primary prey.

As I say, you have no understanding of the purpose of ganking, no actual experience at pvp and little cause to belittle superior players because you don't care for or are afraid of them. Forum pvp isn't the same as when I enter your system. Better dock up there.

All Highsec miners must follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct or be subject to bumping or ganking.  No permit, no mining. www.minerbumping.com

aldhura
Blackjack and Exotic Dancers
Top Tier
#113 - 2016-05-17 21:48:47 UTC
Galaxxis wrote:
Returns on high-sec mining are already so crappy, I'm not sure why anyone would even bother ganking these miners. It's like beating up a homeless person because they're pan handling.


Like eve gankers, there are people who take great joy in doing these kind of things.
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#114 - 2016-05-17 21:59:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Brokk Witgenstein
Spine Ripper wrote:

stuff


Dat smacktalk yo.

Except Zkill reinforces everything Cranial said.

As for mining, there are basically three approaches (in highsec)

1. have enough friends on grid to scare off the gankers.
2. make enough profit and simply ignore it.
3. fit for tank, cutting into your own profits somewhat but without the hassle of getting another ship every once in a while.

either one of these works.
Spine Ripper
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#115 - 2016-05-17 22:24:14 UTC
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Spine Ripper wrote:

stuff


Dat smacktalk yo.

Except Zkill reinforces everything Cranial said.

As for mining, there are basically three approaches (in highsec)

1. have enough friends on grid to scare off the gankers.
2. make enough profit and simply ignore it.
3. fit for tank, cutting into your own profits somewhat but without the hassle of getting another ship every once in a while.

either one of these works.


Zkill shows that Cranial doesn't know anything about pvp except how to die to it.

On the other hand, I would expect you to understand that pvp has a purpose beyond a green killboard. So it is with CODE. We have a reason for killing the miners, we have the ability to kill them and we have the resolve to keep killing them no matter what the game throws at us. Maybe WH pvp is too much F1'ing and they don't tell you why you are shooting people. We fully understand the purpose of our actions.

You don't have to like what we do or even accept that what we do has merit. But what you can't deny is that we do what we say we will. Zkill definitely reinforces that. The OP wanted to know why he was getting ganked in highsec. Lots of good answers as to why and how to deal with it. But Cranial and others used it as an opportunity to denigrate gankers. I just pointed out that he was a pathetic carebear and shouldn't be considered as worth listening to.

Your advice, to be honeest, failed to save 86 miners and other assorted bot aspirants. Today. So far anyway. The night is young.

All Highsec miners must follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct or be subject to bumping or ganking.  No permit, no mining. www.minerbumping.com

Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#116 - 2016-05-17 22:30:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Morgan Agrivar
Payne Dakara wrote:
3 step Guide for dummies how to mine AFK in high sec:

1. Stay in NPC corp with your mining alt if you can that will protect you from wardec's
2. Find a quiet system 0.8-0.7
3. Use insured procurer with proper tank fit example:

[Procurer, PROC]
Damage Control II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender
Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender

Modulated Strip Miner II, Scordite Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Mobile tractor unit

That fit will survive 20s against 5 destroyers and even if there are enough gankers 6-7 they will think twice before jumping on you because every time they try to gank you they spend more ISK than you do and with MTU on filed you collect loot form their ships which is pure profit better than mining.

With this fit you can even go and make fun of CODE in Uedama making them made enough so that you make money without even mining.





Shhhhh....don't tell them to stay in NPC corp. Then you cannot get wartarget Skiff kills... :)
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2016-05-17 22:34:19 UTC
Spine Ripper wrote:

On the other hand, I would expect you to understand that pvp has a purpose beyond a green killboard. So it is with CODE. We have a reason for killing the miners, we have the ability to kill them and we have the resolve to keep killing them no matter what the game throws at us. We fully understand the purpose of our actions.


That sounds reasonable. I've been wondering about what those reasons might be for quite some time though; and thus far "for tears" is all I got.

Care to enlighten me?
Shaade Silentpaw
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#118 - 2016-05-17 23:10:53 UTC
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Spine Ripper wrote:

On the other hand, I would expect you to understand that pvp has a purpose beyond a green killboard. So it is with CODE. We have a reason for killing the miners, we have the ability to kill them and we have the resolve to keep killing them no matter what the game throws at us. We fully understand the purpose of our actions.


That sounds reasonable. I've been wondering about what those reasons might be for quite some time though; and thus far "for tears" is all I got.

Care to enlighten me?


It's pretty simple. They are either just plain trolls, or they don't have the balls for actual PVP in low/nullsec - so they gank easy, unsuspecting targets in highsec instead to try to compensate for it. Then they come up with silly excuses about how they're trying to counter some non-existent negative influence that miners and 'carebears' are having on the game in an attempt to screen it.
Spine Ripper
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#119 - 2016-05-18 00:11:54 UTC
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Spine Ripper wrote:

On the other hand, I would expect you to understand that pvp has a purpose beyond a green killboard. So it is with CODE. We have a reason for killing the miners, we have the ability to kill them and we have the resolve to keep killing them no matter what the game throws at us. We fully understand the purpose of our actions.


That sounds reasonable. I've been wondering about what those reasons might be for quite some time though; and thus far "for tears" is all I got.

Care to enlighten me?


Most people just read The Code and the blog posts. For the real in-depth answer you have to go to the Manifestos.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40762

OR, highly recommended...

you can listen to James explaining about the New Order and highsec.


https://soundcloud.com/rob-thompson-270292003/griefing-harassment-bullying-and-the-new-order

The rest of the background documentation is at www.minerbumping.com in the LINKS.


All Highsec miners must follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct or be subject to bumping or ganking.  No permit, no mining. www.minerbumping.com

Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2016-05-18 02:58:57 UTC
Thanks for posting those links. I'll never ask The Question again, although I'll be honest with you: I couldn't finish reading it. Really needs a bulletpointed summary.

I got as far as three pages of sperg, then my attention wandered. What I did read sounded like a load of baloney and excuses so it wasn't exactly the eye-opener I was hoping for.

Still, thanks for trying.