EVE General Discussion

How do you figure that?

No, you are wrong thing have changed. Highsec is mechanically safer than it ever has been, and still gets safer each year. Ganking, especially ganking for profit, is technically much more difficult than it was 8 years ago when, thanks to insurance, you could whelp a battleship and fail a gank and sometimes even still make a profit. It now requires dedication, organization, calculation and some practice to eek out a living as a ganker (and even that is not enough if you target miners as your prey), as compared to haphazard and profitable explosions anyone could participate in the early era of Eve.

That said, you are right in that ships still get ganked all the time. No matter how much carebears whine, or how many nerfs they managed to get implemented due to their failure to even try to defend themselves, they are still going to die as is the central design of the game. CCP will keep rebalancing, but given ships are suppose to die in highsec, they are still going to die in highsec. If that stops, then CCP will put them at greater risk until they start dying again. Even miners still die, as the players (primarily one heroic one) have organized a SRP program to keep this game play alive.

Highsec is extremely safe, almost perfectly safe if you spend any effort to defend yourself. You'd think after 13 years, carebears would get the message that they are indeed intended to have to do something to defend themselves in this PvP sandbox game instead of coming to the forums for the umpteenth time, asking CCP to save them from the bad people.

Carebears: CCP isn't going to save you. You can whine and complain and beg and sometimes you will get bone tossed to you and a pat on the head from CCP in the form another small buff (which you will usually squander by loading more stuff into your ships), but CCP is always going to put you back out there in space with a bull's eye on your back as the game is intended to work. You are deliberately made content for the other players so it is up to you to do something to protect your space assets.

Ganking is only going to increase from here. With every nerf to non-consensual PvP that CCP implements and each buff to highsec, targets dry up in the other spaces as players increasingly move to highsec to generate resources. Predators will follow and highsec residents will paradoxically be under more attack, not less as we go forward. Really, the only salvation for these poor highsec carebears is to get these non-carebear highsec squatters back out into the other spaces (so the predators will follow) by fixing the broken risk vs. reward income balance which CCP seems unwilling to do.

This is waxing too philosophical now. The game is working more-or-less as intended. Bottom line: CCP purposely makes you content, CCP intends for ganking to exists, CCP has looked hard and has found ganking has no detrimental effect on new players, and carebears, CCP is not going to to save you. Stop your "think of the children" lobbying to be made safe and just play the game, or go play something else where you are not the content on offer for the other players.

try to shoot that 'peaceful' destroyer sitting on gates waiting for pod to kill. You will find new mechanics for you: concord. And it does not help if you digged killboard and found out that this pilot kills 10 pod each day. He is protected until he aggressed.

I'm in a BS full with Deadspace modules to the brim and some lousy catalyst with the most notorious ganker flys by. What do you do? Do you engage him and loose you blinky ship to concord or do you just leave him alone?

One of the things that keeps people inline RL is, that you can't tell how the others will react. If I **** of this girl in the subway someone might come to help her. In high you need to wardecc someone so you wave a big flag: here is the danger. That's exactly why you don't find this behaviour in low or Null. Anyone who is the hunter may be the target a second later. You are more cautious because it's all unpredictable.
In high there is no reason for caution cause you can see it comming and even if you loose, it's not some shiny ship but a lousy cat with no shields and just some weapons. The miner puts 200+M Isk in danger, the freighter pilot 1+B and the ganker 20-30M ISK max. These ships are an easy kill for 90% of the other ships that fly around there but because of Concord they would loose an expansive ship just for the inconvenience of a ganker. So the ganker is save thanks to Concord.

CODE says 'defend yourselves, miners!', hides behind skirts of Concorde.

FYI: The only thing hiding behind concord is the bumper, because he doesn't actually aggress.

The loot truck? Goes suspect.
The gankalysts? Are -5 or worse and can be shot on sight.
the blapthrashers sitting at gates with positive sec status .... gee, might it be they're waiting for criminals to show up? Those are the ANTIgankers you f*%$*T******** dimw*****

I repeat my question: which criminals are protected by concord?

CCP spent a lot of effort designing the security status system which really does make repeat offenders 'outlaws' quite quickly and thus free-to-shoot. I recently had occasion to train up some new ganking alts, and within a day or two of enforcing the Code they were free to shoot and being chased by the faction police. Podding miners is especially punitive although still so satisfying one cannot help but do it and take the security status hit.

If that doesn't work (or you tag up), a single act of highsec piracy still puts you at risk by giving a trade-able killright to your victim that also can 'turn off' CONCORD making you free-to-shoot.

[Really? Are you truly so ignorant of the crimewatch mechanic, the security status mechanic and how flagging works, that you believe this? Gankers, especially those who do it regularly receive no protection from Concord, they're generally flagged either as criminals or as outlaws, both of which mean you can shoot them in the face and Concord won't bat an eyelid or leave the doughnut stall.

How? Once they hit a certain sec status Concord don't give two tosses if you shoot them in the face; most gankers wear their low sec status as a badge of honour in my experience. Their PvE and other alts, while Concord will visit retribution upon whomever attacks them without the appropriate flags, the players themselves will probably be taking active steps to avoid predators and thus don't tend to get caught; gankers know what it takes not to be ganked, they follow their own advice.