EVE General Discussion

Truly you are a shining Knight, Spiny friend.

Solution: mine in a tanked Skiff, and only in a belt with Retrievers, Mackinaws or Hulks.

It's like in scuba diving: you don't need to swim faster than the shark - just faster than your buddy.

In regard to the post from one of the RPers last page about 'play the game the way it was intended' etc, deploring anti-gamk lobbying, I'd like to point out that feedback is welcomed by the devs, and anything other than 'this is fine' is by definition lobbying for a change to the game mechanics. There's a dude complaining about the jumpgate lightning animation doing his head in, there're others protesting daily opportunities, or calling for the new camera to be tweaked so it's more like the old one, or suggesting ways to alter the bounty system. The forums have long been full of players asking for change.

All of those people are by CODEs definition not following the mantra 'play the game the way it was intended'. Unless...

Unless, like me, you realise that changes to the game that come about from player requests are just as much 'intended' as those that are the sole invention of the devs. We generate content when our feedback changes the game.

'Nerf gankers in hisec, please, CCP!' is just feedback. And feedback is WAI.

Excellent. I'm very happy to be part of a group that's enabled this to happen. It's a shame that in an MMO, gankers should have to be forced to seek out other players in the way you describe, but some people just don't play the game properly until they're shown how to.

You're welcome.

Be sure to contract me all your stuff and isk before you leave.

You are referring to a survey of 15 day old players in basically their trial period, a very small and specific sample. Any one who has done statistics will just laugh at your extrapolation.

Only CCP will know for sure and actions speak louder than words, because they revised the tanks of mining ships to the correct level so people who wanted to be difficult to kill could sit in something difficult to kill and accept a lower yield while those who wanted more yield could sit in something less tanky and take losses.

The balance of mining ships is perfectly fine now and CODE can continue to butcher new miners who don't have the skill or knowledge to jump into the right ship.

EDIT: This crying about ganking being nerfed is funny and incorrect. The AG movement started blowing up wrecks, and you lot cried to CCP and they changed it, so quickly it was astounding and yet you whine about nerfs. Facepalm..

what is it with you code guys trying to lay claim to pretty much every gank tactic that's been in EVE since year 1.

8 years ago or so,, me,, mr new guy, mate in game says this.

the following ships get ganked all the time.

alt scouts
pods
haulers
miners
ships that are full of bling or rare.

nothings changed, just the excuse some give for doing it.

so kids,,,, to sum things up.

auto pilot = bad
ignoring local = bad
not using DS = bad
flying what you can't afford to lose = bad
afk in space = bad
not setting some people to red (read ignoring local also) = bad
not having friends = bad
not setting your ship up right = bad
not willing to learn your enemies tactics = bad

i could go on and on but those few points will guide you through EVE without fail and will always be your best allie.

No, you are wrong thing have changed. Highsec is mechanically safer than it ever has been, and still gets safer each year. Ganking, especially ganking for profit, is technically much more difficult than it was 8 years ago when, thanks to insurance, you could whelp a battleship and fail a gank and sometimes even still make a profit. It now requires dedication, organization, calculation and some practice to eek out a living as a ganker (and even that is not enough if you target miners as your prey), as compared to haphazard and profitable explosions anyone could participate in the early era of Eve.

That said, you are right in that ships still get ganked all the time. No matter how much carebears whine, or how many nerfs they managed to get implemented due to their failure to even try to defend themselves, they are still going to die as is the central design of the game. CCP will keep rebalancing, but given ships are suppose to die in highsec, they are still going to die in highsec. If that stops, then CCP will put them at greater risk until they start dying again. Even miners still die, as the players (primarily one heroic one) have organized a SRP program to keep this game play alive.

Highsec is extremely safe, almost perfectly safe if you spend any effort to defend yourself. You'd think after 13 years, carebears would get the message that they are indeed intended to have to do something to defend themselves in this PvP sandbox game instead of coming to the forums for the umpteenth time, asking CCP to save them from the bad people.

Carebears: CCP isn't going to save you. You can whine and complain and beg and sometimes you will get bone tossed to you and a pat on the head from CCP in the form another small buff (which you will usually squander by loading more stuff into your ships), but CCP is always going to put you back out there in space with a bull's eye on your back as the game is intended to work. You are deliberately made content for the other players so it is up to you to do something to protect your space assets.

Ganking is only going to increase from here. With every nerf to non-consensual PvP that CCP implements and each buff to highsec, targets dry up in the other spaces as players increasingly move to highsec to generate resources. Predators will follow and highsec residents will paradoxically be under more attack, not less as we go forward. Really, the only salvation for these poor highsec carebears is to get these non-carebear highsec squatters back out into the other spaces (so the predators will follow) by fixing the broken risk vs. reward income balance which CCP seems unwilling to do.

This is waxing too philosophical now. The game is working more-or-less as intended. Bottom line: CCP purposely makes you content, CCP intends for ganking to exists, CCP has looked hard and has found ganking has no detrimental effect on new players, and carebears, CCP is not going to to save you. Stop your "think of the children" lobbying to be made safe and just play the game, or go play something else where you are not the content on offer for the other players.

How do you figure that?