EVE General Discussion

Both are valid choices, one provides the wardec corp with the content that they desire, the other means that you're no fun because they can't catch you.

However, fighting back may well extend the wardec, shooting people in the face is what wardeccers pay for, active avoidance makes extending the wardec a waste of money, also the changes to the watch list are advantageous to the persons who actively avoids wardecs while continuing to play.

There are other options Not getting shot in the face because you're avoiding the hunters is as much PvP as shooting them in the face on the undock.

Neither original or good, try again.

You think wardec corps don't or can't mine? I'd put money on you losing in that sort of combat too.
They already do pay the price, and it runs into the billions per week for a few fights.

Instead of a single line buzz word type sentence go ahead and explain how you would fight back against say Vendetta.

Tell me how many pilots and what ships you will fly, how will you catch them, what you will use against their fleet doctrine etc., I am all ears, go for it tiger put me in my place with your tactical brilliance. And don't tell me you have friends because that is lame and so stupid.

If you look at Vendetta's kill board you will find that a certain hisec courier contarct scam ganker ripped them a new one, then engage you brain and think just how many people in hisec are at that position..., then perhaps you sort of get it, but one liners are easy aren't t they, doing is another matter...

Lol. Apparently I'm the one that just throws insults around.


What one individual story or case is, is irrelevant. If you're at the point where you don't believe you can affect the big wardec groups because you're solo, then the great thing about that, is that you have the choice to be a solo player. The mechanics don't force you to play a certain way, so you have the freedom in game to choose how you want to play. Other players may get in the way of that, but that's the way it should. Players affecting choices, not mechanics.

But you want to limit the choices that other players have by asking CCP to place limits through mechanics, while not limiting your own, or providing any counter balance. That's the issue. Change is not a problem.

One sided selfish change is the problem and that's all these proposals almost always boil down to. None of us have any more right to our playstyle than anyone else. We aren't somehow holier than other players, yet so many proposals are simply "grr them and yay me", which is just what your current proposal is too.

The outcome of your proposal would ironically just favour the big wardec groups even more. It would have the opposite effect you want and would reduce the ability of small corps and solo players that have a real issue with someone else, from using the mechanics with the same choice they can now. You've only considered the P I R A T and Marmite type groups, but not considered the myriad of wars that occur at a much smaller scale.

Actually at this point I am suggesting only that Observatory structures have some watch list functionality per constellation, beats me where I am limiting things at this point. A couple of posts back I decided that it was not worth putting an artificial limit on who people can dec because I think not liking someone is a good enough reason. However the proposal I have suggested in terms of Observatory structures means that war dec groups will have something vulnerable in space which has value and they will have to be a bit more picky on who they dec...

You obviously don't read things, you just repeat parrot fashion what you said a number of posts back, its rather funny to see, I expect you will tell me once again after this post that I am limiting things again which will get a huge ROFL from me.

So people look at what I said above in two posts and note that Shae completely missed it, it is hilarious...

I know this works because ive either sufferd or unflicted it upon the other mercs

Vendetta:
Bait orcha, blackbirds, rattlesnake/s.and as many neuts as you can bring

Logoff traps are almost impossible to spot now.

Pull one off and they will second guess you every time they see you

Same will work for marmite.

Pirat : Tornados in bitz, keep eyes on them and warpin at your optimal when they agress something.
Baiting them out of the hub works too, you have to flash a little leg and they will come stomping after you, isolate and murder one of them

Us or baw you can straight up ask for a fair fight

The thing with mercs is everything they do works against them,
all you gota do is catch one of their t3c's and you will likly be able to srp anything you lost in the war from the loot and have enough leftover to turn a profit.

The trick is spoting when they are vunerable and being ready to take advantage of that at a moments notice.

Thanks for your knowledge and suggestions I will file away for use, will need a few more people with me for a couple of those, However I have got a heck of a lot of intel on Vendetta now and I have something in mind if I get another one. At one point I had some mates who also had a war dec and I was going to be bait, but we could not get it sorted when we were all online and they were active, oh well...

The war dec mechanic and watchlist changes seem balanced in many ways. You would be surprised but last week I killed a noob and got talking to him after. He used an atron to attack my battleship. I gave him advice and 500 Mil to join a good pvp Newbro friendly group.

Wars cost alot of isk and let's face it, the way citadels work, the defender has a long time to find help. There are many ways to trap us and fight back.

If you take that as whining for my own situation you are dead wrong, personally I have no issues with operating around war decs. Yes I cannot do some things that I want to do in hisec without dropping some toons out of corp, which I did, and doing other things in out of the way places, which I did, and setting up to kill them, which I tried to do with some mates, but getting the right timing was not possible and that I had already made one blanket war deccer decide I was too much of a pain to continue with. I have made my plans for the next time I get a war dec from this group, I won't say what I have planned but it came from the intel I gathered over two weeks.

My suggestion is to give the noob players something to create leverage, if you read what I said, the observatory structure suggestion which gives back some of the watch list functionality, but enables people to mess with their network is one such way. Its little steps like that which will enable people like Ralph King-Griffin to play his game, but enable people to step up above trying to nab a GTFO ship.

Let us hope that CCP does what I have suggested and see if that changes the dynamic in hisec, I am not in favour of artifical limits on war decs, but a point of conflict in space that gives real value is a good way to do it.

I admit i haven't read the whole post, and that my english is awfull but I had to reply to some comments i read.

I'm playing Eve for years, coming back from time to time. I'm mainly doing LvL 4, science/prod, high/low sec exploration with a 30m sp main.

This time i succeeded in bringing some friends in the game.

We wanted to have something to do together so i asked them what they wanted to do. Ofc i knew only part of them would stay.

They started Pve, lvl 1 missions, then lvl 2...enjoying the game. Aiming for lvl 4, BS then incursions.

Soon i took them for big lvl 4 mission where we played together and had fun. It was better isk for them and i could learn them a few things in safety.

They didn't want to PvP because they knew there is so much to know to do it, couldn't afford to lose ships and hadn't the SP to compete.

One of them finally was soon bored by Eve PvE and gave exploration a try. He discovered he could make unreliable but better Isk/hour rapidly and flew solo. After a few weeks he left the game, bored.

I "lead" a small corp, only to use a POS for TII invent/prod in High sec.

One of my buddy relaunched an old account and joined us, accepted my corp invitation and started semi-afk mining ice. He was a PvE, science/prod player like me with around 10m sp.

In less than an hour he was bumped by a Mach and ganked by a catalist fleet. I could escape given i had seen them landing in time and was just wondering what that Mach was doing in there. He had isk, so that was not a problem but we investigated and found that bumping miners was permitted and riskless. He stopped mining ice and found that dumb.

A few min later we had two wardecs. After evaluating our options, I disbanded the corp because we had too much to lose and nothing to gain. Our labs put in safety, and production stopped.

Next week, war ended, i put again the POS, my buddy and I restarted prod/invention having lost a LOT but we had won a few hours to play other games.

During the next month, a couple of friends lost faith in Eve and gave up, they just wanted to play together and felt the game didn't game enough to do in PvE for small fleets that felt rewarding.

Finally I ended with my prod buddy and we were wardec again a few days ago. Again I stripped the POS. He and I were using the Isk made by prod to afford losing a few ship in low sec exploration, WH and trying Lv4 burner missions. And I felt rewarding to find something to produce, invent it and sell it. With the wardec we're just bored again.

At least the burner mission I tryed, because I felt I could afford them, forced me to get good frigate skills. And I fitted a PvP frig and roamed near our system. I found one of those so elite pro pvp player in a cruise. I attacked him, he was just station hugging.
I'm bored. My buddy is bored. Game is just too boring for us. We leave the game.

I heard Dreddit is recruiting? :lol:

Seriously though, sounds like EVE is not the game for you and your friends, if you can't create content and abhor PVP in general.

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Kaelhula Waki
Galaxy Comittee of Ship Destruction <--- NPC ships?