EVE New Citizens Q&A

Alright, I am gonna clarify before you all go stright for my neck... The community in Eve is special, Its friendly and helpfull, and if you need it people are willing to give you their shirts of their backs.. I can Respect that.


But there comes a time in Eve, when you as a new player want to experience ****... You want to leave your mothers arms and Explore the world or in this case New Eden. And this is where the issue comes into play..

If you stay in rookie chat for too long, your gonna get brainwashed into thinking that New eden is a Dangerous place (wich it is, dont get me wrong) And that you should just do mining in the first few weeks.. Its safe afterall so why not right? Your mother wants to keep you close and is not ready to let you go!

You see the people in this game is so tied down to their ISK that risking even a few million means crizis. And if you want to fly anything but a T1 Frigate your crazy and out of your mind... It seems that they have some crazy idea that ISK is related to IRL money.. Its not. Let me tell you this, ISK in game have NO Real money value.. AT ALL. Can you buy isk for real money? Yes. But that doesnt make ALL ISK have real money worth.. At all. And when you ask any player or friend "Do you want to try Eve?" What do you normally get as a answer? "I dont want to lose REAL MONEY" and that shows exactly how ****** up this is.. When media says **** in eve have real money value.. It scares people for even trying this game, But back to my point.

So since i started playing Eve, My goal was to fly a stratios.. I have no other goal then that.. To experience the stratios. How ever I am a bit far off of the isk goal yet. Just sitting on 240m Currently. But when i tell people "I want to fly the stratios :DD" And i am genuinly excited about that, People, and especially the vets will tell you "Are you crazy... You cant fly a Stratios, Stick to the T1 Frigate untill you can lose the stratios 5 times over." Now lets do math on this, alright.. Estimated price for a fully fitted Stratios is 400million ISK (could be more, could be a bit less) But lets say Its 400m isk.. I Would need 2 billion ISK to even get to enjoy the stratios..... So its gonna take me months before i even get to Lose my first stratios.

I havent been tied down to my ISK.. I Dont care if i lose anything in the game, ITS A GAME.. Its not impossible to get back to the stratios losing it isnt the biggest Issue. Its a game after all..
I get it tho, Flying a stratios as a newbie is maybe not the best idea.. But hey, Going into wh's as a new player wasnt the best idea either, but it paid off.


The game Eve does a good job as a mother to let their children go and explore the world... But When you talk to vets and some newer players alike, its like you are being put into a stright jacket and put in a mental hospital for saying anything but "I Want to fly the T1 Frigate"

How can you make people fall in love with a game that have such unhealthy mentality? Its a game, its not a job. Its for entertainment, not a second job. People work their ass off to fly different ships, yet they are so scared of flying it because in their mind ISK have REAL money value...

I have personally never had anyone in any other game get so pissed at me for saying I want to fly something then i have in Eve. And its the biggest ******* turnoff ever...

Honest opinion :)

Yeah, But when you buy 1 billion isk, Why do you buy it? To sit on it? If i where to spend 20 euro or what ever the price is for 1 billion isk, I would spend it because i wanted to fly the stratios, no question asked.. I'd waste that Money on 2 stratioses, because afterall thats my entertainment.. If you hoard the isk like greeder, then why did you spend money on it? Wouldnt buying a few beers or some food out be worth the money more then? Afterall your not gonna spend it in the game were you "wasted" it .

If your so busy flying T1 frigates, 30 minutes of mining in a venture will pay that t1 frigate for you if it should get down to it. Or 2 and a half hour if you want to lose the t1 frigate 5 times over, just sayin

It's great that you have a relaxed mentality towards loosing ISK but I think what the vets are trying to say is that as soon as you board it, be prepared to loose it; like any ship on Eve. They're not nagging Nan's, they just don't want you to be disappointed because It can be very disheartening to loose something you worked hard to achieve and in the end, barely get to use.

A good starting point to get you familiar with the Stratios, flying around cloaked etc is the Astero; it looks similar and it's much cheaper. You're can loose several Asteros for the price of one Stratios but of course it depends what you want to use it for.

Good luck though

They're not called bitter vets without a good reason.

The beauty about Eve is that you don't have to listen to people telling you what you can and can't do, you can just do whatever the hell you like and learn things as you go along. You just have to be ready for the sea of "I told you so" xD But yeah, there's no need to be ass under the guise of helping someone, don't pay any attention to those types. As Ralph said you'd be wise to ignore them., Else It's as good as feeding the Jita local scammers lol

That is CCP's propaganda department not vets doing this. Also iirc you get booted out of rookie chat once your account becomes 30 days old so I don't think it's a whole bunch of vets in there telling you stuff. I believe it is mostly other new players.

Any new account gets rookie chat for the first month, i was in there recently and there were a couple of other vets giving advice and answering questions.

I had to call a couple of people out on stuff regarding pvp but there was someone else in there with their head screwed on so it wasent as bad as i had remembered.

I think i had it lucky though.

It's more what Erin says here. It's one thing to say that you are not risk averse but when you spend the majority of your isk on something that you worked over a month to get and looked so forward to flying and then loose it within 24 hours, the thought of quiting the game will almost certainly go through your head. Now if you can get over it after a brief cool down and get back to the game that is another issue. I'm just saying that the risk of a rage quit exists if you are not properly warned of the risks and you have been so you are fine.

The Stratios is a ship that was pretty much designed for wormhole exploration. I see you are in Eve Scout so I assume that is your intent. In the hands of an inexperienced new player I find it likely that you won't have that ship for long. To gain experience in this game you need to loose ships. That is the main reason that other players tell you to fly cheap.

You will need to learn how to survive in wormholes. Doing that will cost some ships. If you want to learn those lessons in 400 Million isk ships that is your business. But when the inevitable happens you have been warned. If you are fine with that then don't listen to anyone else. Also when it does happen don't blame anyone else. It sounds like you are fine with all of that so why not just do what you want to do instead of complaining that people are telling you not to do it? I mean you can block / ignore players that won't leave you alone or continue to say stupid stuff. I use that feature to block scammers in Jita.


What Ralph says here I find to be most on point. If you are referring to players that were in your NPC corp then there is probably a reason that they are still in an NPC corp and you should take anything said there with a huge grain of salt. When I am on alts that are in NPC corps I have to hide corp chat most of the time because the convos in there are so misguided that I feel like my brain is leaking out of my eyeballs just by it being in my peripheral vision.

Ha, i knew you would get rialed up by that.

I meant no offence dmc, i have a lot of respect for your efforts and knowlage and i certainly would expect any newbro to recognise that you do infact know tombs worth about the game, (a damn sight more than i certainly)

Real experiance is somewhat self evident and regardless of anything i say im sure anyone with any sembelence of autonimy will know to disregard my words when faced with it.

As far as advice, rather than ignoring based on what corp they're in, I'd say learn to recognize an expert. As an exaggerated example:

"Dude, just do it, it's awesome, I've been doing this for years, I'm the best, it'll work." - not an expert.

"You should do this because these are the reasons, and these are the game mechanics that affect it, and here's links to a number of guides that say the same thing." - expert.

Person giving answers about PVP - check EVE Who for a link to their killboard statistics, and judge how much PVP experience they have based on that.

Person giving answers about market, industry, production, being a CEO, other PVE - you can check their post history to see if they've offered advice in the past, esp. in the specific subforums related to their topic of expertise, but it's harder to determine whether they're an expert, so ask for links or guides or a source for their information.