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Why does caldari militia fail? Your viewsplease

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Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#421 - 2012-02-22 11:38:50 UTC

I often wounder if pointing out to the Caldari militia as a whole that there is good cash and places to build in low-sec would get them to live out in low-sec. That's a big part of there problem, you always hear about them going back to hi-sec to rebuild one on the Gallente side very few go to hi sec to make there money and get there ships. We have a connection to our space its more than just the area we go to die in, but also were we make our money build our forces and stage our corps.


Just my 2 isk

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 

Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#422 - 2012-02-22 11:57:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Damar Rocarion
Gallactica wrote:
Other than you being a bit of an oddball I've always been complimentary towards you and your pvp skill, shame you can't act like an adult.


And again, why should I extend any courtesy to your militia for reasons outlined above and baseless accusations of PERVS & me exploiting when we did none of the things we were accused off while Gallentes like Val Erian were themselves doing it all the time.

And yet even now when you completely outnumber Caldari, you still resort to using existing bugs such as the stopping plex from despawning with cloaker so that Caldari cannot attack systems on those opportunities when they actually get the numbers going and force you to flee. I am fairly sure you would be screaming bloody murder on forums if we had resorted to same methods.

But I agree on one thing. It is pointless to argue about this. There is too much bad blood for any kind of "reconciliation". So lets just hate each others guts and leave it at that. Perhaps you can even set up another evemail spamming program over it with your fellows in Gallente militia.
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#423 - 2012-02-22 12:18:01 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Gallactica wrote:
Other than you being a bit of an oddball I've always been complimentary towards you and your pvp skill, shame you can't act like an adult.


And again, why should I extend any courtesy to your militia for reasons outlined above and baseless accusations of PERVS & me exploiting when we did none of the things we were accused off while Gallentes like Val Erian were themselves doing it all the time.

And yet even now when you completely outnumber Caldari, you still resort to using existing bugs such as the stopping plex from despawning with cloaker so that Caldari cannot attack systems on those opportunities when they actually get the numbers going and force you to flee. I am fairly sure you would be screaming bloody murder on forums if we had resorted to same methods.

But I agree on one thing. It is pointless to argue about this. There is too much bad blood for any kind of "reconciliation". So lets just hate each others guts and leave it at that.



And there is the difference my friend, i dont hate you, i feel sorry for you.
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#424 - 2012-02-22 12:45:38 UTC
Damar Rocarion dose make an entertaning opponent and he is one of the few Caldari FC's that wont just turn and run if they don't think they have a 100% chance at sucsess, to bad the human that pilots him is angry most of the time and prone to freaking out.

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 

Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#425 - 2012-02-22 14:46:37 UTC
It's easy to make fun of Damar but I really think he needs help.

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#426 - 2012-02-22 16:48:10 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Damar Rocarion wrote:
And yet even now when you completely outnumber Caldari, you still resort to using existing bugs such as the stopping plex from despawning with cloaker so that Caldari cannot attack systems on those opportunities when they actually get the numbers going and force you to flee. I am fairly sure you would be screaming bloody murder on forums if we had resorted to same methods.
Interesting, I thought you had to be "on grid" and not cloaked to keep the plex from despawning? Kind of lame. Ought to be able to at least scan down the little bugger who is camping the plex.


Edit: Hopefully this hasn't happened lately. If it has you ought to report it as a bug.

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3108

"Next, cloaked ships will no longer count as occupying anomalies, signatures, incursions or other deadspace complexes allowing them to properly respawn. This fix was to address a “feature” of the deadspace complex system that allowed passive economic warfare by preventing the exploration sites in an enemy’s home systems from respawning by sitting in them cloaked all day."
Falacio Burns
Blunt Brothers Trading
#427 - 2012-02-22 19:20:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Falacio Burns
One of my corps main gripes while in Caldari militia was, there are too many people in fleets with stealth bombers and not real ships. In my experience, SBs just get dead. 4 Horsemen was the only corp, that we saw, actually fielding real ships when we made our short tour in FW.

Qcats were good for some GFs though...
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#428 - 2012-02-22 19:30:32 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Gallactica wrote:
Other than you being a bit of an oddball I've always been complimentary towards you and your pvp skill, shame you can't act like an adult.


And again, why should I extend any courtesy to your militia for reasons outlined above and baseless accusations of PERVS & me exploiting when we did none of the things we were accused off while Gallentes like Val Erian were themselves doing it all the time.


So because some people upset you, you use it as justification to be rude and arrogant towards others? Fantastic logic.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#429 - 2012-02-22 19:43:16 UTC
Those wacky Finns P

Caellach Marellus wrote:


So because some people upset you, you use it as justification to be rude and arrogant towards others? Fantastic logic.

nom nom

Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#430 - 2012-02-22 19:59:01 UTC
Falacio Burns wrote:
One of my corps main gripes while in Caldari militia was, there are too many people in fleets with stealth bombers and not real ships. In my experience, SBs just get dead. 4 Horsemen was the only corp, that we saw, actually fielding real ships when we made our short tour in FW.

Qcats were good for some GFs though...


SBs are typically used for the L4 missions. So it's probably all they had when a fleet was needed at that time

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#431 - 2012-02-22 22:42:34 UTC
Falacio Burns wrote:
One of my corps main gripes while in Caldari militia was, there are too many people in fleets with stealth bombers and not real ships. In my experience, SBs just get dead. 4 Horsemen was the only corp, that we saw, actually fielding real ships when we made our short tour in FW.

Qcats were good for some GFs though...



Most new players are fascinated with the idea of cloaked pvp. They don't realize that they have to uncloak (and thus risk their ship) to shoot something. A lot of FCs tell these players to GTFO of fleet if they bring these and cannot bring something else because 1) there's no guarantee that player will uncloak to shoot something when fight happens, 2) said player probably can't scout and tell the difference between a friendly, pie, neutral, wartarget, it's all the same to these players , and 3) That player gets 5 light drones on them, realizes they cannot cloak and dies in a ball of fire LolLolLolLolLolLol


In other news, some SLAPD guy lost his slicer to a manticore (it was using torps)LolLolLolLolLolLolLol
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#432 - 2012-02-22 23:19:58 UTC
Super Chair wrote:


Most new players are fascinated with the idea of cloaked pvp. They don't realize that they have to uncloak (and thus risk their ship) to shoot something. A lot of FCs tell these players to GTFO of fleet if they bring these and cannot bring something else because 1) there's no guarantee that player will uncloak to shoot something when fight happens, 2) said player probably can't scout and tell the difference between a friendly, pie, neutral, wartarget, it's all the same to these player


That is a strange but common logical fallacy amongst many rookie pilots. It falls in line with the other logic that many of them have of flying in BC and BS hulls; they think that it's such a powerful ship that it puts in them God mode. I have one guy in my corp who actually asked why none of us were roaming in battleships and he barely had 4M SPs and no combat experience.

Sadly , they don't understand that the people who want to fight you are the same people with the backup to kill you regardless of what ship class you fly.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#433 - 2012-02-23 21:35:03 UTC
And just an observation, but I was gone about 3 weeks, and since I came back the last few days, the fighting has picked up a lot while I was gone. Lots of Squids back in our neck of the woods - using novel tactics and fits, and fighting in and around plexes.

I really like the new plexing mechaninc. They did a good job on that.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!

Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#434 - 2012-02-24 16:43:59 UTC
derp?

Super Chair wrote:

In other news, some SLAPD guy lost his slicer to a manticore (it was using torps)LolLolLolLolLolLolLol

nom nom

Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#435 - 2012-02-24 17:42:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:

I often wounder if pointing out to the Caldari militia as a whole that there is good cash and places to build in low-sec would get them to live out in low-sec. That's a big part of there problem, you always hear about them going back to hi-sec to rebuild one on the Gallente side very few go to hi sec to make there money and get there ships. We have a connection to our space its more than just the area we go to die in, but also were we make our money build our forces and stage our corps.


Just my 2 isk


Speaking for my corp, I've always been big on pushing a low sec base and I've personally lived in low sec just about my entire time I've been in this game. Yet when we set up this corp due to the fact at the time Enaluri was always being camped by "l33t" station game group that did nothing but sit on the undock with a RR carrier and 4 or 5 other heavy ships with tons of remote sensor boosters it obviously wasn't the best place to bring a bunch of noobies.

I decided to base us out of high sec in Onn for that reason as at the time Cal Militia was very inactive and you Gals were basing 1 system away from Enaluri. Having that many un-friendlies with-in the same system and 1 jump away just creates a bunch of gay station humping games and limits movement. Not the best place for setting up small gang roams or getting new guys interested in undocking for PVP.

TBH now that we are in high sec it actually works out very well, due to the fact we have access to 3 low sec entry points with-in 2 jumps and 3 more with-in 5 jumps. Something like 8 jumps we can hit Tama or Hysera, which means we can move around the map and turn up un-expected with-out anyone knowing where we are for the most part.

Not to mention it's very easy access to Jita which makes resupplies very painless by alt freighter and location wise it's great for our guys to make their ISK as they can grab FW missions from multiple agents less that 5 jumps in any 1 direction. The only draw back is we picked up a high sec war dec which TBH wasn't that bad as it was good learning tool for our corp.

Now on the other hand when the bulk of Caldari was basing out of Nourv that was pretty damn fail IMO, as it had only 1 easy access point being Tama which was almost always camped.

I do have thoughts of moving our corp to low sec, but not in the typical Caldari areas. If I have my way it would be one of the following: Ostingele, Ouelletta or maybe Murethand or OMS. The problem though is in regard to FW income we kinda need to be tied down to Black Rise as it allows guys to log in for a short time and go grind some ISK if they can't play long or are bored.
Tentaki
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#436 - 2012-02-24 18:45:39 UTC
Princess Nexxala wrote:
derp?

Super Chair wrote:

In other news, some SLAPD guy lost his slicer to a manticore (it was using torps)LolLolLolLolLolLolLol



um

km or gtfo?
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#437 - 2012-02-25 12:28:03 UTC
@ Mutnin - logistics is probably one of the most important aspects of running things successfully in low sec.

As you know we base from Nisuwa, and we are very very fortunate to have people in corp that do the selfless (although sometimes isk rewarding) job of making sure that we are kept in the right ships with the right fittings etc etc (not teaching you how to suck eggs but you know what I mean).

Most and in fact now probably all of the Gallente corps live and have lived in low sec for a long time now and it becomes second nature just getting on with it and the differences from high sec.


Also you can't do it by yourself no matter how good you think you are - you need at least 3-4 other people at the top running things in different areas and I don't mean specific jobs either - you need people that are loudmouth brash bastards, people that are impulsive and just want to get the job done as well as the laid back ones that gently steer things in the right direction.

Probably the single most important people in fw corps are fc's, they are the lifeblood of your corp and without them it simply won't work no matter how good your corp is - everyone has there "main" fc's in a corp but you need to continually push others to step up and do it as well no matter how good/bad they are tbh, station spinning kills pvp corps.

It sounds like your doing it the right way Mutnin and keep at it mate. And genuinely if you need any help drop me a convo (that's not meant to sound patronising and those that know me know I mean it).

Anyhoo just some ramblings from a hungover FW CEO.
marketjacker
Mr. Clean Corp..
#438 - 2012-02-27 12:07:38 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Navigator
Super Chair wrote:
Falacio Burns wrote:
One of my corps main gripes while in Caldari militia was, there are too many people in fleets with stealth bombers and not real ships. In my experience, SBs just get dead. 4 Horsemen was the only corp, that we saw, actually fielding real ships when we made our short tour in FW.

Qcats were good for some GFs though...



Most new players are fascinated with the idea of cloaked pvp. They don't realize that they have to uncloak (and thus risk their ship) to shoot something. A lot of FCs tell these players to GTFO of fleet if they bring these and cannot bring something else because 1) there's no guarantee that player will uncloak to shoot something when fight happens, 2) said player probably can't scout and tell the difference between a friendly, pie, neutral, wartarget, it's all the same to these players , and 3) That player gets 5 light drones on them, realizes they cannot cloak and dies in a ball of fire LolLolLolLolLolLol


In other news, some SLAPD guy lost his slicer to a manticore (it was using torps)LolLolLolLolLolLolLol



Good lord you are butthurt, making up kills that don't even exist!!! Oh well almost everyone we forcefully eject gets this way.

Also cloaked pvp is the desire of the noob, but the risk adverse veteran pilots use ECM extensively. This has to be one of the most crippling tools in the game, not for the gang facing it usually, because they will see it when it's used improperly (which it always is by all current Caldari FW groups) but for the users of said ECM. They rely on it as a cloak against any threat of losing, and have no idea how to fly evasively, fly smart, or just plain old fly at all. Fits can be **** and you can win with enough ECM. We all know your ECM alts by now, and there are pilots in established squid groups that fly NOTHING BUT FALCONS.

You can use ECM to suprise people but when it's the only thing a guy flies it's no longer a surprise, just a way to deter fights. In the end that's what you guys seem to have in mind. No fights, just plexing. When ECM gets nerfed I cannot imagine how much of a morale hit you will take.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#439 - 2012-02-27 12:29:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Damar Rocarion
marketjacker wrote:
In the end that's what you guys seem to have in mind. No fights, just faggggoootttttt plexing. When ECM gets nerfed I cannot imagine how much of a morale hit you will take.


As you are a member of a militia where bulk of the pilots have 2nd account for that ever important t3 link machine, I find it quite hypocritical to whine about people using ECM. Reality of warfare in cal/gal front is that long-time members know each others link machines and cannot be arsed to take an uphill battle as it would just reward people like Dopified/Madbuster who go to immense effort to never ever lose a ship.

All ships are designed for kiting and tackling at 40km range, no matter the ship size or do you seriously deny this?
marketjacker
Mr. Clean Corp..
#440 - 2012-02-27 12:42:59 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:
marketjacker wrote:
In the end that's what you guys seem to have in mind. No fights, just faggggoootttttt plexing. When ECM gets nerfed I cannot imagine how much of a morale hit you will take.


As you are a member of a militia where bulk of the pilots have 2nd account for that ever important t3 link machine, I find it quite hypocritical to whine about people using ECM. Reality of warfare in cal/gal front is that long-time members know each others link machines and cannot be arsed to take an uphill battle as it would just reward people like Dopified/Madbuster who go to immense effort to never ever lose a ship.

All ships are designed for kiting and tackling at 40km range, no matter the ship size or do you seriously deny this?


All my AB frigs, dual drakes are for ramming into the fleeing children and raping them.