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Why does caldari militia fail? Your viewsplease

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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#241 - 2011-12-30 05:20:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
EVIL SYNNs wrote:


Its your game, I just think you need new targets. Today most of your kills are non caldari and those that are in high sec. Which is great. But don't preach "GOOD FIGHTS WHERE ARE YOU?" when there are good fights to be had, just not against caldari.



We spend most days plotting to kill pirates. I can only assume that the calibre of pirates around here has improved since fighting them isnt as simple as turning up for a fight.

Like the caldari, the pies have adjusted their game to the larger corps in galmil. Unlike calmil as of yet, the pies have upped their game. Because they have more SP and somehow more resources than your average calmil they have generally very cohesive fleet setups.
Feel free to have a go at Snuff Box or Shadow Cartel on a good day. You better come correct. Not sure if you have ever fought a fleet who used tengus as logistics on stations and gates, its pretty effective.
We also spend a lot of time reshipping to counter fleets only to find theyve reshipped to counter our counter lol.

Both these groups, if outclassed and cut off from home will simply jump in carriers and haul their ships directly back home and pod back. While this leads to the occasional smart-bombed pod, nothing really happens.

As for the pies in OMS and on the ked gate in tama. Insta locking t3's after targets of opportunity then rr and deagress with their massive buffers and low sig as soon as they smell a tarp, only to cloak and fly away on the other side can only be countered by massive instant dps of a bridge. We only have so many alts to spring this kind of trap before they just ignore us and/or get eyes in our home system.
For example they didnt agress my bait myrm in oms last time i went there.

Feel free to elaborate on strategies to smash these pies lol.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#242 - 2011-12-30 07:21:09 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Shadow Cartel on a good day. You better come correct. Not sure if you have ever fought a fleet who used tengus as logistics on stations and gates, its pretty effective.


Weird. Are we fighting the same Shadow Cartel?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#243 - 2011-12-30 09:59:43 UTC
People smacking ... IBS killing ;)

It is about having fun guys ... if u dont have fun out of it .... biomass ur toons Twisted
EVIL SYNNs
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#244 - 2011-12-30 10:14:51 UTC
I ain't leaving or left. My standing is so bad I must leave my corp before DT everyday. Its a pain.

But Plan B is now in operation. Bringing another 3 man corp into the militia was a mistake. Adding more fuel to the fire.

Plan B is slightly different.

But I still am now Caldari through and through and won't be leaving until the killboard looks good. Or I die trying!

I know alot of Caldari won't trust me yet... But that will come, I'm sure after trust will come love, then adoration, then we head to VICTORY!
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#245 - 2011-12-30 10:20:59 UTC
Hidden Snake wrote:
People smacking ... IBS killing ;)

It is about having fun guys ... if u dont have fun out of it .... biomass ur toons Twisted


My personal objective of 200 kills for the month was fulfilled. Now I'm attempting to get NAERY to be top killer in caldari militia this month. Two days to go and we are 14 kills behind 4horse. May the best corp win Big smile

Yes, I'm having fun...
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#246 - 2011-12-30 10:21:53 UTC
EVIL SYNNs wrote:
I ain't leaving or left. My standing is so bad I must leave my corp before DT everyday. Its a pain.

But Plan B is now in operation. Bringing another 3 man corp into the militia was a mistake. Adding more fuel to the fire.

Plan B is slightly different.

But I still am now Caldari through and through and won't be leaving until the killboard looks good. Or I die trying!

I know alot of Caldari won't trust me yet... But that will come, I'm sure after trust will come love, then adoration, then we head to VICTORY!


did u bring enough nano lube?

come to raka ... we have enough frogs around ... and I have long history of exfrogs in my corp.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#247 - 2011-12-30 10:23:08 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Hidden Snake wrote:
People smacking ... IBS killing ;)

It is about having fun guys ... if u dont have fun out of it .... biomass ur toons Twisted


My personal objective of 200 kills for the month was fulfilled. Now I'm attempting to get NAERY to be top killer in caldari militia this month. Two days to go and we are 14 kills behind 4horse. May the best corp win Big smile

Yes, I'm having fun...



well we might compete soon ... i just need 4-5 more guys with guns. Targets are not a problem. Big smile

good old IBS days ;)
EVIL SYNNs
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#248 - 2011-12-30 10:24:57 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
EVIL SYNNs wrote:


Its your game, I just think you need new targets. Today most of your kills are non caldari and those that are in high sec. Which is great. But don't preach "GOOD FIGHTS WHERE ARE YOU?" when there are good fights to be had, just not against caldari.



We spend most days plotting to kill pirates. I can only assume that the calibre of pirates around here has improved since fighting them isnt as simple as turning up for a fight.

Like the caldari, the pies have adjusted their game to the larger corps in galmil. Unlike calmil as of yet, the pies have upped their game. Because they have more SP and somehow more resources than your average calmil they have generally very cohesive fleet setups.
Feel free to have a go at Snuff Box or Shadow Cartel on a good day. You better come correct. Not sure if you have ever fought a fleet who used tengus as logistics on stations and gates, its pretty effective.
We also spend a lot of time reshipping to counter fleets only to find theyve reshipped to counter our counter lol.

Both these groups, if outclassed and cut off from home will simply jump in carriers and haul their ships directly back home and pod back. While this leads to the occasional smart-bombed pod, nothing really happens.

As for the pies in OMS and on the ked gate in tama. Insta locking t3's after targets of opportunity then rr and deagress with their massive buffers and low sig as soon as they smell a tarp, only to cloak and fly away on the other side can only be countered by massive instant dps of a bridge. We only have so many alts to spring this kind of trap before they just ignore us and/or get eyes in our home system.
For example they didnt agress my bait myrm in oms last time i went there.

Feel free to elaborate on strategies to smash these pies lol.


You could.. I don't know.... evolve. We found noob alt spies/scouts in Nourv were excellent to catch the de-aggressors. Once they loose 2 or 3 logis they change to put their logis off the gate. Which is even better as you can warp right on top of them. Remember they can't cloak, so if you see that happen I would complain to someone.

Don't fight on stations... and if they bring carriers put out the bat phone and everyone will come running!

But I guess that will come with time.
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#249 - 2011-12-30 11:23:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Crosi Wesdo wrote:

Poor damar, i dont think he will ever regain a decent mental state after losing his 15-4 player downtime advantage with the plexes on tap.

Not to say that he isnt a good pvp'er. But he did spend the best part of a year pushing the after dt plexes with a 10-15 fleet that would converge on the 2-5 galmil pilots dedicated enough to be on trying to counter him.

As is so common in many other areas of life, we never remember the ganks we dished out, only the ones we recieve. This would seem to apply to damar especially lol.


To be fair, it's not like you guys didn't have the man power to fight back against his plexing, you guys just choose not to at the time. Personally I don't blame you because plexing can be very very boring.. TBH the only reason I've even done any lately is because it was undock in enal and go run a plex to maybe get a fight.

I will say this over the last week I ran quite a few plexes on this char and my alt in Enal and it seemed the system was pretty contested. Then I go to work Tuesday night come back the next day and Enal is de-completely contested. That shows me the plexing system is still screwed up.

I mean we were fighting back and forth pretty decent you gals would get a handful of plexes then us Caldari would get a handful and this went on for several days over the last week. (at least that's when I started running them). However for you guys to be able to undo everything pretty much over night makes me see that plexing is still a waste of time.
Byron D
No Duck's Allowed
#250 - 2011-12-30 11:47:29 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:




Feel free to elaborate on strategies to smash these pies lol.



http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8409592&nolimit

Strategy right there
DNLeviathan
Blue Canary
Watch This
#251 - 2011-12-30 11:52:51 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Draco Rosso wrote:
To me it looks like you were driven away by your lack of current results in Caldari FW faction warfare space. In fact all those that process that you care about Caldari FW the fight is in Enaluri, where are you?


So after lots of time of people saying "We dont want to fight in plexes, go f..k yourself carebear PVE n00b", they would now expect me to return? To an enviroment where back-up is available after filling proper form, posting three copies of it to right government official and after people have ventured into Jita to buy proper ships because having more than 1 pvp ship ready at any time is frowned upon?

No thank you. I quite like it in my home-in-exile since I have people here who actually want to pvp, are on comms, can reship to proper sized ships in the two minutes (which is maximum it should take no matter how inexperienced you are) and understand how to fight.

If I am such a divisive figure, then you should be happy. You can now organise rest of the people into a proper fighting force without my venemous influence. Or perhaps some of the Caldari should take up my offer and come join my gangs here. They might even learn something.

Edit: And yes, there is not enough firepower in Caldari militia to shoot a bunker down. This is not badmouthing or anything. It's pure mathematical fact. Unless you can get mission whores to bring their bombers to bunker, which they wont. If you cannot get enough numbers for your "home system", then how can you expect to get it in any other system?


im confused, you said you would return if things improved on the plexing front (which they have) and now your smacking your own militia stating you will not return to cal/gal space.

why dont you just leave calmil so they dont have to put up with your whining in intel/militia channels and join amarr instead?
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#252 - 2011-12-30 12:39:29 UTC
DNLeviathan wrote:
im confused, you said you would return if things improved on the plexing front (which they have) and now your smacking your own militia stating you will not return to cal/gal space


What you are really saying is: "Some people fight us in plexes despite there not being enough Caldari to bust a bunker should system go vulnerable. I hate your guts and want you here to bring me more targets so I can feel l33t about myself with my million killmail w..re buddies, because I was too lazy to do any plexing while in Caldari militia."

Am I right?
EVIL SYNNs
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#253 - 2011-12-30 12:47:22 UTC
Damar is right for now...

Even if we put a system up to the level of shooting the bunker we would either be standing there for hours shooting it hoping no one sees our bombers doing it. Or just lose when the 30-50 man gallente fleet turn up!

At the moment plexes are best taken to stop the gallente, we are in no position just now for a slug out in the middle of space!

But it won't be like this for ever!

Taking plexes to take systems is beyond our abilities at present! Taking plexes to stop the gallente taking systems has to be our priority.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#254 - 2011-12-30 12:56:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Shadow Cartel on a good day. You better come correct. Not sure if you have ever fought a fleet who used tengus as logistics on stations and gates, its pretty effective.


Weird. Are we fighting the same Shadow Cartel?


Dont get me wrong, they do lol fleets too. They titan bridged 3 thrashers and a cormorant onto our fleet yesterday lol.
Have you fought their t3 logistics gang? Its a strong set-up. Weve never properly broken it, though weve waited in a belt for them once and they wouldnt leave the gate lol.

Heres an example of their logistics in action

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAsijz-jkZ4

EVIL SYNNs wrote:
You could.. I don't know.... evolve. We found noob alt spies/scouts in Nourv were excellent to catch the de-aggressors. Once they loose 2 or 3 logis they change to put their logis off the gate. Which is even better as you can warp right on top of them. Remember they can't cloak, so if you see that happen I would complain to someone.

Don't fight on stations... and if they bring carriers put out the bat phone and everyone will come running!

But I guess that will come with time.


You misread everything i posted.

We dont get frequent intel of pies camping nourv for long enough to make it worth forming up for them.
When the t3's deagress they are jumping into tama, or kedama. And cloaking lol.

And when carriers are brought, 9 times out of 10 they are brought to simply haul their ships out of a sticky spot. When they are brought in for combat 9 times out of 10 we kill them, like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNxQkH-8PO8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E3ybgj4-4g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkIQWZuT_28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Th8ysweorQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8EYZN2TI5w

And there was that time calmil dropped 2 non-triage carriers on our fleet, just linking for lulz really :p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwTO5KT61G0

Thats why they dont do it very often. Its hard having a contingency for something htat doesnt happen very often, and when we do we run the risk of being called blobbers by lone caldari that think our fleet is there to capture their lone cloaky caracal.


I guess your expectations of these pirates strategies are out of date.

Byron D wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:




Feel free to elaborate on strategies to smash these pies lol.



http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8409592&nolimit

Strategy right there


Byron, killing one t3 isnt a strategy for dealing with them. Last desmon t3 we ganked was worth twice that but he had another one on the gate 1 hour later and another set of eyes covering the path we snuck in from and a few critical names on their watch list.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10299889
EVIL SYNNs
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#255 - 2011-12-30 15:11:55 UTC
Nice to see the Galls have no idea how to deal with a decent alliance.

I mean we only had to deal with BYDII and Swigg. They aren't really noobs. But we fought them daily to the point they actually blue'd us to fight squids. You have 140+ members but I guess they pies are step too much!
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#256 - 2011-12-30 15:39:46 UTC
So you want us to blue snuffbox and shadow cartel. RGR, well get right on that lol.
DNLeviathan
Blue Canary
Watch This
#257 - 2011-12-30 16:19:27 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:
DNLeviathan wrote:
im confused, you said you would return if things improved on the plexing front (which they have) and now your smacking your own militia stating you will not return to cal/gal space


What you are really saying is: "Some people fight us in plexes despite there not being enough Caldari to bust a bunker should system go vulnerable. I hate your guts and want you here to bring me more targets so I can feel l33t about myself with my million killmail w..re buddies, because I was too lazy to do any plexing while in Caldari militia."

Am I right?


what im really saying is, you say you will return if more caldari start plexing. more caldari have started plexing and instead of offering to return, your slagging them for being useless.
i wouldnt say i hate your guts, its no secret that i dont like you and as for being in black rise so we can kill you, id honestly prefer you were nowhere near us so we dont have to put up with your whining in local. as for too lazy to plex, what part of 'i have no interest in plexing' do you not understand? after dt when you called for fleets, i look after my 4 kids, only real time i get to play eve is after 20:00 eve time when they are in bed and thats when roaming fleets went up which im far more interested in than sitting on a button for 30 minutes.

if you dont understand that then your thicker than i gave you credit for.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#258 - 2011-12-30 18:17:35 UTC
DNLeviathan wrote:
what im really saying is, you say you will return if more caldari start plexing. more caldari have started plexing and instead of offering to return, your slagging them for being useless.


Nope. I wanted cooperation and efficiency. Plexing is fine, bunker busting is better. When or if there is a reasonable assumption of militia being able to call up a bunker busting fleet and destroy bunker in space of 60 minutes, I can return.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#259 - 2011-12-30 20:44:02 UTC
Shocking isnt it that fighting against the FW race with the most pve players, has the least pvp action Roll

Bla bla bla caldari needs a big corp to sort it out, yeah you are all right here, but what 100 man corp whats to help a milita on their own? Sure one might be out there, but it doesnt take a rocket surgeon to work out that supporting a militia which is nearly 90% pve mission running leachs with no interest in anything but making some isk, is worth fighting for at all espessially against pvp blobs that also overship constantly.

Amarr/Minnie is pretty ballenced for the most part, similer attendance (minnies have more numbers is very large fights), similer numbers of pvers and some good attitudes to pvp.

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.

Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#260 - 2011-12-30 20:55:07 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
Amarr/Minnie is pretty ballenced for the most part, similer attendance (minnies have more numbers is very large fights), similer numbers of pvers and some good attitudes to pvp.


Of course this will probably be wrecked soon since it seems froggies cynoed some capitals to Metropolis, conviently within hotdrop range of my new home system. Then again, I have no interest to give any fights to such bunch of wankers like DNleviathan just so they can come and mess with balanced battlefield and decent fights like we had in Arzad today.