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GalMil: RDRAW wardeced

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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#141 - 2016-05-23 11:36:29 UTC
So...how goes the war?
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
Villore Accords
#142 - 2016-05-26 19:07:59 UTC
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#143 - 2016-05-29 18:47:25 UTC
Is this thread still a thing? I thought we would all just accept the Rapid Withdrawal was Snuffs pet and as such their opinions were irrelevant.
Silverbackyererse
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#144 - 2016-06-05 02:12:03 UTC
Were Rapid an honourable 3rd party in Okkamon today? Straight
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#145 - 2016-06-05 03:17:48 UTC
Dont think RDRAW could make it.
JaneBudden
Spiritus Draconis
#146 - 2016-06-05 08:18:34 UTC
Silverbackyererse wrote:
Were Rapid an honourable 3rd party in Okkamon today? Straight



haha i like how you underlined honourable ^^

let me see:
- shoooting/ecm/microjump fellow milita guys while "third party" is on field check
- shoooting/ecm/microjump fellow milita guys who arent in war with them check
- bringing only ******* ships to the fight aka Command destroyers fitted like that: https://zkillboard.com/kill/54423622/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/54423640/ check
- same whith theese punishers: https://zkillboard.com/kill/54424288/

- ah well yeah and helping to destroy a galmil staging citadel for okkamon check


did i miss sth.
Holly Amatin
Doomheim
#147 - 2016-06-06 15:00:41 UTC
You declare war on RDRAW and then complain that they help blow up one of your citadels.

Bitter much?
Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#148 - 2016-06-06 16:24:22 UTC
Holly Amatin wrote:
You declare war on RDRAW and then complain that they help blow up one of your citadels.

Bitter much?

Nope. Just pointing out continued bad behavior, which pretty much aligns with what we expected from them as "militia partners".

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."

Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc
Templis CALSF
#149 - 2016-06-07 06:46:03 UTC
So who's winning? Are you winning by killing off RDRAW's POCO/moons (if they have them) and denying their members any plexes or do you just fleet up and then kill any RDRAW you come across and then declare victory for the day.

I'm not following the war that much.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!

Paxx Mandragoran
Nobody in Local
Of Sound Mind
#150 - 2016-06-07 19:03:39 UTC
Veskrashen wrote:
Holly Amatin wrote:
You declare war on RDRAW and then complain that they help blow up one of your citadels.

Bitter much?

Nope. Just pointing out continued bad behavior, which pretty much aligns with what we expected from them as "militia partners".


So shooting at people who wardec you is "bad behavior"? Not sure what you want here. If you're red on my overview, you're gonna get shot. In this case, you chose to be red, and you can go back to being purple any time you want. Until then, I guess I will continue to behave badly. As for Jane's list of dishonorable actions... everything on that list has also been done by the other side... reminds me of a story about a pot and a kettle. It's war - either deal with it or drop the war. That ball is in your court.

How's the war going? Pretty much a snooze-fest that hasn't amounted to much other than continued sniping back and forth on the forums and minor skirmishes in game. It looks like it's going to keep going... I guess we will see if it escalates or continues to just be targets of opportunity and small engagements. There are good capable pilots and FCs on both sides, so it certainly could turn into a much bigger deal than it has been. Those decisions are way above my paygrade, but personally I think there are plenty of other people to shoot so I'm content with the minor nature of the civil war.

ivona fly
Black Fox Marauders
Pen Is Out
#151 - 2016-06-08 15:07:16 UTC  |  Edited by: ivona fly
Paxx Mandragoran wrote:
Veskrashen wrote:
Holly Amatin wrote:
You declare war on RDRAW and then complain that they help blow up one of your citadels.

Bitter much?

Nope. Just pointing out continued bad behavior, which pretty much aligns with what we expected from them as "militia partners".


So shooting at people who wardec you is "bad behavior"? Not sure what you want here. If you're red on my overview, you're gonna get shot. In this case, you chose to be red, and you can go back to being purple any time you want. Until then, I guess I will continue to behave badly. As for Jane's list of dishonorable actions... everything on that list has also been done by the other side... reminds me of a story about a pot and a kettle. It's war - either deal with it or drop the war. That ball is in your court.

How's the war going? Pretty much a snooze-fest that hasn't amounted to much other than continued sniping back and forth on the forums and minor skirmishes in game. It looks like it's going to keep going... I guess we will see if it escalates or continues to just be targets of opportunity and small engagements. There are good capable pilots and FCs on both sides, so it certainly could turn into a much bigger deal than it has been. Those decisions are way above my paygrade, but personally I think there are plenty of other people to shoot so I'm content with the minor nature of the civil war.



Not true. I dont remember shooting GalMil corps we are not at war with/ helping to kill a galmil staging pos that squids are shooting.
Paxx Mandragoran
Nobody in Local
Of Sound Mind
#152 - 2016-06-08 19:59:12 UTC
ivona fly wrote:


Not true. I dont remember shooting GalMil corps we are not at war with/ helping to kill a galmil staging pos that squids are shooting.


Killing the pos is covered in the first part of my post. It is completely unreasonable for you to wardec us and then expect us to not shoot your stuff :) Yes, shooting your staging pos hurts the overall FW war effort. But here's a news flash skippy... so does wardeccing allied militia corps :)

As for shooting GalMil people you're not at war with... yes, your side has done it. Just because you "don't remember" it doesn't mean that it hasn't happened. To be honest, I think both sides have made significant efforts to limit any damage to non war participants. I know that we have purposely ignored galmil roams that we would have engaged because they had non involved pilots included, and we have also limited several of our own fleets to rdraw only (before some others joined in on our side) to avoid having our friends put in that awkward position should we get jumped by your side.

Overall, I think that the instances of non parties getting caught up in the war has been surprisingly low. Of course, none of that matters here on the forums where it's evidently cool to come and cry about how "dishonorable" your opponent is when they exhibit "bad behavior" by fighting a war that they didn't start. Personally, I think the whole thing is pretty silly... both the war in game and the one on the forums and reddit. But hey, you shoot at me in game, and I'm gonna shoot back. You talk some sillyness on the forums, and I'll call it out. It's all good fun.

And in the meantime, this war will either keep smoldering in skirmishville, in which case we'll shoot at each other from time to time and talk some smack back and forth on the forums.... escalate so that we actually do some damage to each other and drive the political wedge even further between us.... or come to an end at which point we can start flying together against common enemies again. Which one happens is way out of my control, so I'll just continue to shoot whatever's red on the overview and let the politicos worry about the rest of it. I like and respect a lot of people on the other side of this thing - and the fact that we're currently shooting at each other doesn't change that. I'm gonna have fun either flying with or against them.
ivona fly
Black Fox Marauders
Pen Is Out
#153 - 2016-06-11 12:54:23 UTC  |  Edited by: ivona fly
We never attacked galmil corps that were not at war with, can you give me an example of how we have done, because I know of two occasions now rdraw have turned thier guns on friendly miltia corps in support of snuff within the last few weeks.

I think it's easy to forget that rdraw have been war dec'd by dozens of miltia corps, not just 1. You are doing very little to remove your snuff pet reputation of putting snuffbux before miltia ties, and essentially proving your detractors correct.
Tenga Fera
Rapid Withdrawal
Pen Is Out
#154 - 2016-06-12 19:08:21 UTC
This thread is mostly pointless and it seems to mainly involve GalMil pilots trying to convince people that they're taking the 'high road' and Caldari (and ex-Caldari) pilots trying to stir ****. RDRAW has no desire to fight Galmil entities and we'd prefer if peace were made.

We chose to ally with Snuff for higher end content for a number of reasons. To me, this had nothing to do with FW and changed nothing with our Galmil allies and our fight against the Caldari. We've been wardecced because we didn't fall in line behind the mighty BLFOX and BEBOP to further their own non-FW interests.

The idea that RDRAW are "snuff pets" or has become a "snuff feeder corp" is ridiculous, more Snuff have joined RDRAW than vice versa.

We're all here to have fun and blow up internet space ships but I'm afraid some people's pride is getting in the way of this.
ALUCARD 1208
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#155 - 2016-06-13 07:49:35 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
Tenga Fera wrote:

We chose to ally with Snuff for higher end content for a number of reasons. To me, this had nothing to do with FW and changed nothing with our Galmil allies and our fight against the Caldari. We've been wardecced because we didn't fall in line behind the mighty BLFOX and BEBOP to further their own non-FW interests.

The idea that RDRAW are "snuff pets" or has become a "snuff feeder corp" is ridiculous, more Snuff have joined RDRAW than vice versa.

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Hi End Content lol ecm bursting stabbed magus .... skillz brah

But your ceo told everyone you would be a feeder corp and saying more snuff joined rdraw makes us trust you more how?? like there not going to give intel to thier old corpys
Super Chair
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#156 - 2016-06-13 09:03:03 UTC
*Popcorn*
ivona fly
Black Fox Marauders
Pen Is Out
#157 - 2016-06-14 01:21:01 UTC  |  Edited by: ivona fly
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
Tenga Fera wrote:

We chose to ally with Snuff for higher end content for a number of reasons. To me, this had nothing to do with FW and changed nothing with our Galmil allies and our fight against the Caldari. We've been wardecced because we didn't fall in line behind the mighty BLFOX and BEBOP to further their own non-FW interests.

The idea that RDRAW are "snuff pets" or has become a "snuff feeder corp" is ridiculous, more Snuff have joined RDRAW than vice versa.

.



Hi End Content lol ecm bursting stabbed magus .... skillz brah

But your ceo told everyone you would be a feeder corp and saying more snuff joined rdraw makes us trust you more how?? like there not going to give intel to thier old corpys


To be fair I also saw them in ecm burst punishers, it looked pretty high end
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#158 - 2016-06-14 01:52:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Just want to say, you ally with SNUFD for easy mode content and for them to leave your moons alone (or be given tid bits) for the most part. You fight SNUFD for higher end content.

As for RDRAW being a feeder corp, i believe that was the exact language used in the internal RDRAW mail that announced the subjugation of RDRAW to SNUFD.

I dont mind RDRAW being subject to SNUFD but in perspective you are just being used. SNUFD has less than zero interest in your corps well being and your only purpose is as a tool for their purposes. If being a low end ECM gang is the kind of high end content that RDRAW is looking for then there is no scope to judge. Judging makes no difference, only introspection can make that difference and that is something only RDRAW can do.
Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2016-06-14 12:32:38 UTC
Super Chair wrote:
*Popcorn*



SUPER CHAIR! I would say let's play LOL, but sadly we don't even seem to do that anymore.

MEOW!

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Oreb Wing
Last Rites.
Villore Accords
#160 - 2016-06-15 15:59:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Oreb Wing
It confuses me to hear a person justify attacking a war asset, admit that it is ultimately a general militia asset, complain that it didn't have to happen if the war wasn't going, and declare that we should drop the petty war dec to return to fighting our common enemies.

What part of snuff being, has been, and will be a common enemy don't you fellas understand? Also, I do remember losing a Guardian as a neutral party in this war after getting isolated and blapped by nightmares while I was out of cap. I wonder why that is. Though I'm sure you think it has nothing to do with your meddling. If you had attacked and made the Citadel vulnerable yourselves it would be different, but you join in like vultures to the carcasses of 'allies' that 'should get over themselves'.

Wow, man. You really see things clearly.