EVE General Discussion

Lol, sorry Sustrai, I did read your post, I just wasn’t sure how to respond to it and it came across as a rant (in my head anyway). I’ll have another read…give us a mo.

… back.

The way I read your comment is that anyone that PVPs will need to PVE (or gank or whatever) in order to make ISK to buy ships and fittings to continue to PVP. If I am reading that right (please correct me if I am wrong) then I am aware of that, and that is pretty much what my post was about. I am in an alliance, alliance ops are SRP’d

I was thinking about the difference between flying a relatively expensive ship in solo (micro gang) pvp, losing it and how much time would it take to recoup the money to buy that ship again, it is a hypothetical scenario but one that I think is valid. And I suppose to get ideas in order to maximise my isk earning but by spending a minimal time doing it so I can spend more time PVPing than PVEing

I’ve no idea what you are talking about with regards the bridge lol, I assume humour, but humour in text is difficult to pull off.

Personally I would not join a group, requiring me to lose and pay for ships more often, than I'm casually being able to replace. Without such a group self-sufficiency is quite easy, because you can always define your own investment and with whom and how you fly. My focus is on T3D and below (price wise), hence I can afford to regularly lose 100m ships. My somewhat steady income source is PvP loot / clone tags, and currently a good part from manufacturing. Additionally if I'm getting bored of PvP from time to time I do relic exploration. I tried almost everything including incursions, and didn't like PvE with low but steady income, it feels too much like work. I much prefer all the chance based income sources including market opportunities.

It's nothing fancy
Just a record of a good ol boy having fun

I flew tackle and ewar a lot when I started living in nullsec. A new player may not have the skills to fly shiny turds properly, but you don't really need them to. I encourage our newbies to fly a variety of roles to see what they prefer.

Large sov holding alliances (The Imperium is the last one left) are also socialist states that pay their members to fight. Usually the only isk our line members lose is either in implants or from the markup over jita prices if they aren't importing their ships themselves. Many GSF member-corps give double reimbursements to deal with markups.

Nowadays isk translates directly to skills. In the socialist state that is GSF line member isk goes to plexing accounts and accumulating capitals and supercapital ships as well as investments. But most combat costs are absorbed by the state.

Also confirming that if we can't afk rat in nullsec, we're all running incursions in TVP on alts right next to those horde and PL guys. That unassailable isk fountain is crazy, but you gotta do what is optimal.

So your corp asks you to be self-sufficient and fly doctrines, what do you get in return? Eve is a game of actions and consequences. Those that say PVP is nothing bit an ISK sink have never defended anything of actual value. Something that, for instance, would enable a corp / alliance to at least support their members to get into those ships. Anything between local markets and actual pre-fitted fleets ready to be insured and boarded.

Let's say that your corp holds a few POCO's and your tax is 0%. Or holds an area where good PVE content is found. Utilize that space. If your corp is effective at driving out competitors the sites are yours. Members profit. Yeah, you can tell people to "go run incursions" or something like that but it requires them to flutter about. The conquest game is also about shaping the universe itself to your group's advantage. You don't get to run good sites in bling ships without making other people think twice about entering your living space.

This is the most newbro friendly high sec incursion community I know of: http://forums.eve-warptome.com/

Talk to them in their in game channel and they (the organization and the community) will tell you everything they need to know. I tend to run with TVP (who are still fairly new runner friendly), but I always send newbros to WTM 1st.

At between 750 to 850m a month Ive yet to find something that gives as much isk for as little work.

Miktek, I myself am also unsure as how to determine a corp's culture looking from the outside in. Fact is tho... corps need people. People don't need corps. OR alliances. If leadership never gives anything back, that group will eventually disintegrate. I've never met a player that didn't like the idea of not having to risk his own ship in a stratop. We're not the biggest corp, but nobody ever left because they felt we drained their wallet with PVP demands. It's silly and would have lost us people. But I'm telling this from a lowsec pespective, where the money isn't free and system security doesn't exist.

Hi Miktek. I think it depends on a lot of factors to determine what is normal or what should be normal. We are forgetting scope here. When I do PVE I do so leasurely. I am not in any hurry and I do not worry about ISK/Hr. So I do not join any Incursion fleets but cherrypick content from lowsec's menu. What content you can consume is largely SP based.

PVP expense is not. Example?

Say I run belts in a lowsec system that has 15+ belts and has 0.2 sec stat. Clone tags from that system would sell for idk, say 25m to make things easy. I run that system in a modest Cynabal config, perhaps get lucky and nab two tags. This might take me about half an hour or so because as I said, I am in no rush.

But I made 50m.

I can PVP all night on 50m if I wanted to. I would pick the scope of frigates. This is how I could potentially spend the majority of time actually PVPing. SRP just helps to increase potential scope. Because the actions tied to gaining that ISK (moongoo,poco income) are minute compared to people running PVE content actively. It's a slow continuous crawl compared to a burst of PVE activity in the daily schedule of a human being. Hence leading to the replacement of more costly fleets at less effort. And thus a larger scope of combat.

War.