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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#21 - 2016-05-05 20:02:39 UTC
Miktek wrote:
Darth Terona wrote:
Come to think of it, I haven't earned money in two years...

How the hell do I do it!???

PvE not for me

Dunno, if you wanna share though, feel free :)

plex, much like myself he cba grinding

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Miktek
Tannhauser C-Beam
Seker Academy
#22 - 2016-05-05 20:04:43 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
800-900mil/month should be PER character so I dont know what you are talking about that you cannot afford a 350mil isk ship every month.



You should feel bad for this entire thread. Not only are you bragging but you are also whining and trolling.Roll


That is not what I am saying
Miktek
Tannhauser C-Beam
Seker Academy
#23 - 2016-05-05 20:05:31 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Miktek wrote:
Darth Terona wrote:
Come to think of it, I haven't earned money in two years...

How the hell do I do it!???

PvE not for me

Dunno, if you wanna share though, feel free :)

plex, much like myself he cba grinding


Paid for plex with cash? thats kinda the oppsoite of how I want to do it, if I plex I want to earn the isk in game to buy game time, not buy plex to sell for isk.
Miktek
Tannhauser C-Beam
Seker Academy
#24 - 2016-05-05 20:06:35 UTC
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Miktek wrote:


I have 2 accounts, with 6 toons and my main source of income is PI, I live in a WH so the planets are pretty good, that nets me between 800 / 900m a month gross.....


800m-900m/month from 6 PI characters, in a wormhole? you're doing it wrong.

Are you selling P1, P2, P3 or P4 planetary products? Seriously, you need to have a good look at your setups, I average >400m/month/character from PI.


P3, Supercomputers in fact. I read earlier that I am doing it wrong, thing is in that case, I dont know how to do it right.
Miktek
Tannhauser C-Beam
Seker Academy
#25 - 2016-05-05 20:08:16 UTC
Isaac Armer wrote:
You live in a WH, have you thought about setting up production for T3 components? Gas harvesting can be very profitable.


Tried gas, bored me more than ratting tbh, I may retry to see how lucrative it is, we (as in my corp) do Ninja huffing from time to time. production seems time consuming, I dont have my own POS with a industry setup .
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#26 - 2016-05-05 20:08:58 UTC
Miktek wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Miktek wrote:
Darth Terona wrote:
Come to think of it, I haven't earned money in two years...

How the hell do I do it!???

PvE not for me

Dunno, if you wanna share though, feel free :)

plex, much like myself he cba grinding


Paid for plex with cash? thats kinda the oppsoite of how I want to do it, if I plex I want to earn the isk in game to buy game time, not buy plex to sell for isk.


Ah, but the question becomes how do you value your time. In some cases people make enough money in real life with limited game tima that they woukd prefer to enjoy PvP and purchase plex to afford ships.
Miktek
Tannhauser C-Beam
Seker Academy
#27 - 2016-05-05 20:09:30 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Another option is to review the doctrine and see if there is a niche role you can fufill at a lower cost. For example, yes a HAC or BS may cost 500 mil and be a good addition to the front line. However, an interceptor or interdictor can be just as valuable but cost a fraction of the dps ship. Or you could opt to provide EWAR support in the form of a black bird or celestis.

Now granted, this may not work in all scenarios. The above suggest work for PvP but may not help in PvE. Still, in PvE a t1 logi cruiser may be a cheap and useful option you could use. An assault frig could take out smaller rats, letting the bigger ships focus on the larger ones.

In other words, don't assume there are not cheap options that could compliment existing comps. It just may be you have to find this niche.


It isnt a doctrine as such, for doctrine anyways we are SRP covered, this was more of a solo enquiry in general from killmails that I have seen and videos etc, where people pvp in expensive ships, just curious between the cost and time needed to earn that isk back
Miktek
Tannhauser C-Beam
Seker Academy
#28 - 2016-05-05 20:10:37 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Miktek wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Miktek wrote:
Darth Terona wrote:
Come to think of it, I haven't earned money in two years...

How the hell do I do it!???

PvE not for me

Dunno, if you wanna share though, feel free :)

plex, much like myself he cba grinding


Paid for plex with cash? thats kinda the oppsoite of how I want to do it, if I plex I want to earn the isk in game to buy game time, not buy plex to sell for isk.


Ah, but the question becomes how do you value your time. In some cases people make enough money in real life with limited game tima that they woukd prefer to enjoy PvP and purchase plex to afford ships.


sadly paying for 2 accounts at £28 per account per 3 months is prob my limit cash wise.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#29 - 2016-05-05 20:12:11 UTC
Miktek wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Miktek wrote:
Darth Terona wrote:
Come to think of it, I haven't earned money in two years...

How the hell do I do it!???

PvE not for me

Dunno, if you wanna share though, feel free :)

plex, much like myself he cba grinding


Paid for plex with cash? thats kinda the oppsoite of how I want to do it, if I plex I want to earn the isk in game to buy game time, not buy plex to sell for isk.

to each their own, i value my in-game time quite highly,
i spend a little extra every now and again (when i have the disposable income) to forgo unnecessary grinding.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Miktek
Tannhauser C-Beam
Seker Academy
#30 - 2016-05-05 20:18:18 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Miktek wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Miktek wrote:
Darth Terona wrote:
Come to think of it, I haven't earned money in two years...

How the hell do I do it!???

PvE not for me

Dunno, if you wanna share though, feel free :)

plex, much like myself he cba grinding


Paid for plex with cash? thats kinda the oppsoite of how I want to do it, if I plex I want to earn the isk in game to buy game time, not buy plex to sell for isk.

to each their own, i value my in-game time quite highly,
i spend a little extra every now and again (when i have the disposable income) to forgo unnecessary grinding.


Out of interest, what kind of ships (value) do you fly, ie how long does that plex last you?
Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
#31 - 2016-05-05 20:25:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Isaac Armer
Miktek wrote:
Tried gas, bored me more than ratting tbh, I may retry to see how lucrative it is, we (as in my corp) do Ninja huffing from time to time. production seems time consuming, I dont have my own POS with a industry setup .


You can buy the gas from others and just do the production, since that's about as AFK as PI, but you definitely need the industry POS setup.

The most lucrative gas is around 1 million ISK per cycle of gas harvesters.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#32 - 2016-05-05 20:29:23 UTC
Miktek wrote:

Out of interest, what kind of ships (value) do you fly, ie how long does that plex last you?

both blingy and dirt cheap, and a fairly long time, often ill get some of the isk back if a liquidate stuff.

granted iv found my feet and know how to keep my stuff alive (for the most part),
i was hemorrhaging money when i was learning though so that was almost exclusively cheap stuffBlink

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Miktek
Tannhauser C-Beam
Seker Academy
#33 - 2016-05-05 20:37:27 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Miktek wrote:

Out of interest, what kind of ships (value) do you fly, ie how long does that plex last you?

both blingy and dirt cheap, and a fairly long time, often ill get some of the isk back if a liquidate stuff.

granted iv found my feet and know how to keep my stuff alive (for the most part),
i was hemorrhaging money when i was learning though so that was almost exclusively cheap stuffBlink


I tend to go with cheap stuff beuase I am afriad of hemorrhaging money, but my training is taking me towards HACS and HICS and cloaky recons etc and I am tempted ill admit :D
suzie Atild
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2016-05-05 21:47:50 UTC
Sustrai Aditua wrote:


SO, kids. If you PvP, lol, you're losing MONEY. You HAVE to go out eventually and
EARN IT LIKE THE CAREBEARS!!



I'm actually making my money via pvp... Though I just noticed this isn't my main.

It's easy to get more back in isk than you lose. You just have to do a little planning beforehand.
Darth Terona
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2016-05-06 00:17:41 UTC



" Out of interest, what kind of ships (value) do you fly, ie how long does that plex last you?"


Look at my kb. I mostly fly solo battleships

After insurance, the cost is around 140mil per bs.

With my limited time, my plex money lasts me all month. And I fly pretty crazy

You could easily fly smart and earn enuff in t1 cruisers just looting wrecks, picking up drones, to sustain you indefinatly.
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
#36 - 2016-05-06 01:14:06 UTC
Whoopsy. I feel soooooo very neglected. Big smile

If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
Darth Terona
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#37 - 2016-05-06 05:35:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Terona
Sustrai Aditua wrote:
Whoopsy. I feel soooooo very neglected. Big smile


Because your post is one from someone on the outside looking in

It's neither relevent or true

Not trying to be mean.

Most pirates I know make their pvp isk without care bearing
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2016-05-06 06:38:55 UTC
Unless you're selling plex, or having money handed to you so you can fight, behind every successful pvp pilot is a personal money empire. Some of us are crazy enough to eat where we sh*t. That's what living in and defending sov null is like. In my first year of EVE I had to run incursions to play the game for free. Then I started developing money alts that paid for themselves.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
Miktek
Tannhauser C-Beam
Seker Academy
#39 - 2016-05-06 07:32:55 UTC
suzie Atild wrote:
Sustrai Aditua wrote:


SO, kids. If you PvP, lol, you're losing MONEY. You HAVE to go out eventually and
EARN IT LIKE THE CAREBEARS!!



I'm actually making my money via pvp... Though I just noticed this isn't my main.

It's easy to get more back in isk than you lose. You just have to do a little planning beforehand.


I need to survive more often in order to do that :)
Miktek
Tannhauser C-Beam
Seker Academy
#40 - 2016-05-06 07:33:44 UTC
Darth Terona wrote:



" Out of interest, what kind of ships (value) do you fly, ie how long does that plex last you?"


Look at my kb. I mostly fly solo battleships

After insurance, the cost is around 140mil per bs.

With my limited time, my plex money lasts me all month. And I fly pretty crazy

You could easily fly smart and earn enuff in t1 cruisers just looting wrecks, picking up drones, to sustain you indefinatly.


I shall indeed look at your KB as soon as I have finished replying to the latest posts.
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