EVE General Discussion

Can i have your stuff if you do?

CCP employees are not likely to reply to threads in the forum except it its in an official CCP thread or dealing with something related to that.

If you're just asking for opinions, CCP Darwin is about the most active, but I doubt he would put an official 'CCP' reply here.

Null is far safer to pve in, just watch local and intel, easy as.

OP,

Man, you picked the wrong place to post this. When I first saw the thread title, I thought for sure you were trolling. I too am a high sec PVE-enthusiast. I still enjoy running missions. I do it for the faction standing mostly. I have tons of LP that just sits around because I don't want the Raven Navy Issue (cause it's just going to get blown up by a PvP-enthusiast at some point). I suppose I could sell it but what do I need the ISK for.

That really is the thing that gets me about people who PVE exclusively. I've never understood why people get so upset about losing their mission running ship or their mining barge. I keep enough ISK to replace what ever I have if it gets blown up but then what more do I need ISK for? Buying stupid crap I don't need?

Anyway, I am getting off topic here. Yes, the repetition of missions is awful and I can understand your frustration with it. But, as others have pointed out, there is more to the game than saving the damsel. There are times I get bored and jump in a frigate just to tear through level 1s (I like to go fast).

But when I am on a cool down to decline a mission in order to avoid a standings hit, I'll go mine, or haul the loot and salvage to market. I'd like to get into scanning but haven't done it since they made hacking spew (is that still a thing?)

At any rate, while again I appreciate your frustration, it is regrettable that it will be a great, long while before any action is taken on your request. Even if they released new HS PVE Mission content tomorrow, it would be old in short order and you'd be back requesting more. Which begs the question, when is it fixed in your estimation?

Fly safe. o/

Its a waste of time throwing treadmill content out. The _actual_ game of L4 missioning is to optimize your ship for isk/hr against the known encounters, its actually not caring about the encounter itself. Best way to eke more fun out of it, is to buy new boats for it (better and worse, until you have a perfect boat for each mission that an agent gives you).



Here is the thing, my old character, wound up renting space in null.

Once renting, it was easy to suspend disbelief, "I am a renter in null " is a lot more real, because a you have to do renter things, and b - you can die a lot and lose more than you earn (after rent) if you really suck (I solo rented my own system, a random corp member really didn't have those problems). This is more feasible for me than being a mission runner. Once I was in null playing a renter, the goals were obviously to be dodgy like a cockney gameskeeper on the kings hunting lands whilst he was overseas crusading and poach like its 1725 AD again.

First step was to recognize that goons failed to tower a nice moon. Once I recognized that goons would happily fly my tower to null, fly my goo direct to jita, if I moved it a whole one jump to their JF terminal, and they'd happily fly the fuel back direct from jita - sweet, 30% of my monthly rent paid for 10 minutes a week and my null pi went in the same trips for double down on time.

Second was to recognize that my content was sigs, and anoms, and sigs were far more valuable than anoms, but only 5-10 spawn a day in a system (based on activity per race), so step two was to steal sigs from the surrounding renters, which you do once you figure out their TZs or if they were a big tower play and not actually active.

Step three was to figure out how to get content from my logged in renter "bros", and that I achieved by not doing my sigs too early, if I leave out the datas and relics, then a neutral would come in a heron to scan them, their heron would be full of my renter friends sig contents, and then I'd yank out a taranis, warp to the sig which I already bm'd, and collect a whole bunch of content instantly from their wreck (as well as a huge laugh if they were too silly to let me pod them, and then they did the pod-walk-of-shame all the way back to highsec).

If they turned up in an astero, I fetched a hac to chase them away (usually they were too smart to actually die in it), and then do my sigs myself. As my system was stationless, many players were unaware of the SMA in my POS and thus that I could almost always rock someones scissors, even if they'd just seen paper on d-scan when they gated in.

So what did CCP _do_ to make the gameplay work like that.

Made it possible for players to make null space artificially scarce.
Put finite limits on content, and make sure content has value gradients, which makes contesting and concentrating it desirable.
Give us tools to violence each others boats.

From that, complex human relationships develop that enabled others to profit from me, and enabled me to profit from others, often in ways that were fundamentally unique to the individual player.

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Where as all they can do in highsec missioning, is throw more treadmill in front of you, with a known profit, and if the profit gets too big (ie they fail to estimate something), they have to call it a bug and nerf it, because most of the player base will do whatever is needed to extract the income once someone writes a guide, even if they are too dumb to figure it out themselves.

EVE High Sec needs stories. Empire stories. Like that Jamyl event and Caldari trying to take back their original planet but also for event to last longer and have numerous side activities that relate to it. It gives new guy / small guy somehing refreshing and a bit of lore about EVE. Guild Wars 2 has these world events going and it is quite engaging. Sometimes there events even alter landscapes, cities even world.

I personally do not think that EVE is sandbox as whole. High Sec feels least "sandboxy" than for example Null Sec and Wormholes for me is most "sandboxy". I think having stories and NPC world events would keep High Sec folks alive. We all know new players who jumped into EVE and were intimidated to go out of High Sec. So instead of losing them, let players "settle" in High Sec. Learn EVE lore and have fun in living events and eventually muster enough courage to move away from High and try this sandbox element of EVE.

EVE Online is not hard game. Most of EVE is just boring and if you about to write and correct me how I am wrong then try to remember that even if you love the game. So many others quit and unsub after trying it shortly. CCP guy at Fanfest 2016, that Geralt of Rivia looking dude with a lot of interest about his brain seem to be on the right track about this subject. I just hope its not just a lot of talk but more "do" from CCP.

i'll give you some high-sec content... *puts dec in*

Pvp is the main part of the game, pve is to grind for it.

BTW, whatever happened to this?

Probably the same thing, that happened to the OP. Effort.