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Captain Stupid
Zeta Reticuli Blackpill Alliance
Absolute Glory
#81 - 2016-05-03 05:27:11 UTC
I got out of hi sec, after exhausting the options mentioned by Jenn earlier in the thread. Now I'm a pve whore in null. There is a lot more risk, for example I lost a rather expensive ship to a hot drop bomber gang recently. It was my fault, and I expect to be mocked mercilessly for it, but you know what? Man it was heart pumpingly exciting, I killed two of them and ALMOST got away.

Get out there man, seriously you will have fun!
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#82 - 2016-05-03 05:30:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
I hope to see an NPC pirate Titan in hisec at some point, with one of those super lance weapons using it on a gank fleet of CODE and Goon Talos's, that would be just epic... Then the AG fleet comes in and takes down the Titan, just think how epic that would be, are you listening CCP.

Well you don't have to do the CODE/Goon thing, but a Titan or two in hisec would be nice, what if I say pretty please...

Why would a pirate NPC shoot pirates?

Wouldn't it more likely do piraty things, link doomsday freighters? Now that would be funny.


Actualy shooting Freighters and the Jita 4-4 undock would also be epic. But you seem to have missed that I was joking about blapping the CODE/Goon gank fleet and I was.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#83 - 2016-05-03 05:47:56 UTC
kage1982 wrote:
So in short i would like to ask CCP the following
1. when will you get round to replacing the over used high security missions?
2. why are players who pay you nothing getting more content than subscribers?
3. what plans do you have to update content for players in high security space who fly solo?


1: Soon(tm).
2: Wat(tm)?
3: I hope None(tm).

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Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#84 - 2016-05-03 05:54:21 UTC
kage1982 wrote:
Having tried getting a response for CCP on Facebook about this issue with no reply ive decided to use the forum to see if we can get some explanation instead.

I have noted that the past releases and changes to the game offer very little in the way of catering for PVE players. The Expansions seem to be dominated by changes to 0.0 space, which sadly is not an area of interest to me in the game. At this point id like to state that im not anti PVP and if that's part of the game that you love then that's your thing and im glad you enjoy it. Fighting other players in physical terms is not something that interests me in a great deal and i much prefer my fights to be on the market. So before we have the usual jibes of "care-bear" and "you should play in low sec" and not forgetting "its all about PVP so do it or leave " Please don't waste your time and just consider that others enjoy the game in their way as you do in yours. Insults will not gain you a response and quite frankly will just be ignored.

To the matter at hand. I have noticed that the recent content of expansions seems to lean heavy towards 0.0 warfare and there is very little content for High security players. Solo gamers exist, some do not wish to play with others all the time, and other s just outright like to play alone. Ive been playing since 2007 and ive lost count on how many times ive been sent to rescue a damsel, recover lost reports and investigate why convoys keep getting killed (spoiler alert - it was the drones who knew eh) To be frank i like missions but the same thing over and over is rather dull. If the Damsel keeps running back to that guy its her own fault, If the convoy gets nuked by drones they should consider another rout and lets face it if your reports keep getting stolen invest ina dam safe man!

High security space player pay a subscription in real money (im paying monthly 10 quid). This pays the wages of CCP staff and costs etc. (why else make a game if your not wanting money eh). The majority of high security space players don't make ISK in game and play via plex bought in game for game money aka not real cash.
So from what i see im paying real money to play a game and the developers seem to not wnat to update the content that i use, instead they seem to endlessly update the content of players who make enough in game ISK to not have to pay a penny in real money. This obviously is not the case for all but a large amount of the "SOV" players seem to brag about it hence me getting slightly miffed.

So in short i would like to ask CCP the following

1. when will you get round to replacing the over used high security missions?
2. why are players who pay you nothing getting more content than subscribers?
3. what plans do you have to update content for players in high security space who fly solo?

I appreciate your time and efforts thus far and do love the game so no grudge is held here and i ask with the most sincere of good intention and need for information.

Cheers


Absolute retardation. Buying plex means you're paying the sov people their sub WITH YOUR OWN MONEY while they rake in the ISK dosh and use that ISK to buy that PLEX from you while you suffer in the ****** isk/hr income that is highsec.
Solution: Make every one in highsec stop buying plex to get their ISK and suffer the atrocious grind that is highsec.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#85 - 2016-05-03 08:36:19 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
I hope to see an NPC pirate Titan in hisec at some point, with one of those super lance weapons using it on a gank fleet of CODE and Goon Talos's, that would be just epic...

/me sits nexts to a Skiff fleet and waves

I hope so much they one day hire you or Dryson as game designers. Highsec would probably burn down within in hours.

Evil RatKid
Ka Plaa
Doomheim
#86 - 2016-05-03 11:30:44 UTC
kage1982 wrote:


High security space player pay a subscription in real money (im paying monthly 10 quid). This pays the wages of CCP staff and costs etc. (why else make a game if your not wanting money eh). The majority of high security space players don't make ISK in game and play via plex bought in game for game money aka not real cash.
So from what i see im paying real money to play a game and the developers seem to not wnat to update the content that i use, instead they seem to endlessly update the content of players who make enough in game ISK to not have to pay a penny in real money. This obviously is not the case for all but a large amount of the "SOV" players seem to brag about it hence me getting slightly miffed.

...
2. why are players who pay you nothing getting more content than subscribers?
...


Yet again... Ok. There is only one way PLEX comes into EvE; every PLEX in the game was bought from CCP with real money. Whether one player buys 100 PLEX to sell to other players for in-game currency, or if 100 players buy one PLEX each or sub, CCP gets real money for 100 people playing their game. One method of CCP getting real money is not somehow morally superior to another nor does one method of CCP getting real money from selling access to their game make one player a better customer than another. Surely you don't think CCP is foolish enough to be giving away their product to so many for no return?

"The Crowd Is Untruth" - Kierkegaard
Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#87 - 2016-05-03 12:06:15 UTC
Are you actually going to suggest new content, or just complain that you're bored and demand new stuff?

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Donald 'MAGA' Trump
MURICAH
#88 - 2016-05-03 12:25:40 UTC
Dark Lord Trump wrote:
Are you actually going to suggest new content, or just complain that you're bored and demand new stuff?


So true, I also want to hear his ideas, I bet he has the greatest ideas ever for highsec missions, they're gunna be just great. Phenomenal even.

Btw, Nice character you got there friend.
Cajun Waffles
Foggy Dew
#89 - 2016-05-03 12:33:10 UTC
Must cater to their sheer amount of f2p alts.

Basically new players foot the bill for the older players flying capitals. You really think a capital pilot is paying for a sub? F no. They plex with in game Isk and boost server population count.
P3ps1 Max
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#90 - 2016-05-03 12:37:36 UTC
But wait... Opportunities!!!

Well at least they are finally doing the daily opportunity with SP as a reward. Some of my buddies would have liked this in the past.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#91 - 2016-05-03 12:51:10 UTC
Captain Stupid wrote:
I got out of hi sec, after exhausting the options mentioned by Jenn earlier in the thread. Now I'm a pve whore in null. There is a lot more risk, for example I lost a rather expensive ship to a hot drop bomber gang recently. It was my fault, and I expect to be mocked mercilessly for it, but you know what? Man it was heart pumpingly exciting, I killed two of them and ALMOST got away.

Get out there man, seriously you will have fun!


it happens, i use to lose ishtars by testing if the afk cloakers were really afk Big smile

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#92 - 2016-05-03 14:58:41 UTC
sci0gon wrote:
They wont notice even if you do go offline as its not enough of a dent to their income to even bother. Thankfully there are several aspects of this game that most of the time draws players back due to the news letters sent out and lets ccp know that the product that they've developed and spent a lot of time on is well received by the player base, both old and fairly new.


This argument is internally inconsistent.

On one hand it argues that CCP won't notice a player leaving and taking their money with them. On the other hand it's saying that players come back when something new comes in.

Players can't 'come back' if they never leave. So leaving has to be part of the incentive for CCP to generate content. If players never left, CCP would just sit back, fire all the staff, sit back and collect the cash... because the players would never leave no matter what CCP did so why do anything that costs money?

Therefore, players ALWAYS leave for various reasons, usually because they are bored, etc. Thus CCP makes new content or things happen that creates new content and players come back. So my comment still applies, vote with your wallet. If you are bored, and you have other people that are bored, you all leave, CCP will do something about it faster.

If you are the only human that leaves because you are bored, then yeah, CCP won't notice it, but if only one person leaves, why would they make content to make one person happy?

What I'm asking is why would anyone be paying for a subscription to play something that bores them?

8 Golden Rules of EVE • EVE is entirely PvP
Tristan Agion
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2016-05-03 19:48:34 UTC
(I'm not sharing the OP's specific concerns, since I'm not a high sec mission runner. This is a comment on a side issue that was raised.)

Granularity is the key problem here with putting your money where your mouth is.

I simply have no means to tell CCP through my wallet that I like them doing this, but dislike them doing that.

The only tool at my disposal is the binary "to subscribe, or to not subscribe - that is the question."

If there was a more granular way for me to assign or withdraw money for features, then I would certainly use that. And so would most others. Frankly, I think this game would change quite a bit then...

As it is, CCP has to literally ruin the game for me before I unsubscribe. That they keep on getting my money is hence not really an accurate measure of my consumer satisfaction. I could be ecstatic or this close to rage-quitting, the money would flow the same.

And yes, I think CCP actually do care. If for no other reason than that dissatisfied people tend to leave eventually...
Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
#94 - 2016-05-03 19:54:20 UTC
I always thought it would be nice if PVE had an effect on the Universe: Maybe a fluid security status where a system with lots of PVE players continually killing the local rats could raise a system's security. Conversely a system with a lot of player deaths and not many PVE ratters security would be lowered

It could be that in extreme cases systems may eventually become lowsec or If adjoined by another Faction it could spark a Faction warfare zone - which could actually be won and not be in a state of perpetual contention.

..... Would make life a little more varied & interesting


For now I would settle for more variety in missions and it would be nice to have missions requiring combat & hacking.
More random content would help -- its the 3rd wave that'll be 3 cruisers & 14 frigates
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#95 - 2016-05-03 19:59:41 UTC
Iowa Banshee wrote:
I always thought it would be nice if PVE had an effect on the Universe: Maybe a fluid security status where a system with lots of PVE players continually killing the local rats could raise a system's security. Conversely a system with a lot of player deaths and not many PVE ratters security would be lowered

It could be that in extreme cases systems may eventually become lowsec or If adjoined by another Faction it could spark a Faction warfare zone - which could actually be won and not be in a state of perpetual contention.

..... Would make life a little more varied & interesting


For now I would settle for more variety in missions and it would be nice to have missions requiring combat & hacking.
More random content would help -- its the 3rd wave that'll be 3 cruisers & 14 frigates


Basically turn nulls into highsec and higher into even higher sec and low sec into null? Yeah that's sounds not very gr8 thxbye

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#96 - 2016-05-03 20:21:54 UTC
Tristan Agion wrote:
(I'm not sharing the OP's specific concerns, since I'm not a high sec mission runner. This is a comment on a side issue that was raised.)

Granularity is the key problem here with putting your money where your mouth is.

I simply have no means to tell CCP through my wallet that I like them doing this, but dislike them doing that.

The only tool at my disposal is the binary "to subscribe, or to not subscribe - that is the question."

If there was a more granular way for me to assign or withdraw money for features, then I would certainly use that. And so would most others. Frankly, I think this game would change quite a bit then...

As it is, CCP has to literally ruin the game for me before I unsubscribe. That they keep on getting my money is hence not really an accurate measure of my consumer satisfaction. I could be ecstatic or this close to rage-quitting, the money would flow the same.

And yes, I think CCP actually do care. If for no other reason than that dissatisfied people tend to leave eventually...


The point is, we don't pay CCP to get new content. It's not in the deal. CCP provides new content so players keep paying them before growing bored of the old content. If CCP doesn't feels like they want or need our money, they may just focus freely on those whose money they appreciate better.

And there is nothing that can be done individually. Either we unsub en masse, or nothing else will work. But then "we" are not a mass. "We" are individuals and so we only act individually. We are highseccers, soloers, PvErs -all the undesirable scum that pays CCP to play the game wrong, and we churn so fast that our names and faces don't matter. CCP could lose 1,000 of us tonight and tomorrow they'd get another 1,000 suckers to replace us.

Maybe some day they will run out of suckers. But how would that help us?
Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
#97 - 2016-05-03 20:51:57 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
The point is, we don't pay CCP to get new content. It's not in the deal. CCP provides new content so players keep paying them before growing bored of the old content. If CCP doesn't feels like they want or need our money, they may just focus freely on those whose money they appreciate better.

And there is nothing that can be done individually. Either we unsub en masse, or nothing else will work. But then "we" are not a mass. "We" are individuals and so we only act individually. We are highseccers, soloers, PvErs -all the undesirable scum that pays CCP to play the game wrong, and we churn so fast that our names and faces don't matter. CCP could lose 1,000 of us tonight and tomorrow they'd get another 1,000 suckers to replace us.

Maybe some day they will run out of suckers. But how would that help us?


You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a bittervet
Kaska Iskalar
Doomheim
#98 - 2016-05-03 20:56:48 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
OP, what do you expect in PVP-centric game other than more developments to the PVP aspects of the game?

but ok, let's assume that PVP is fine and it doesn't require any developments any more. in the PVE aspect of the game, imho, mission running should be the least priority. there's a lot more PVE that needs to be improved and focused on other than mission running. PI, moon mining, improvements in T2 inventions (mostly related to datacore mining, they're PIA tbh) just to name a few.

so either man up and adapt or quit. have a nice day.


Adding some kind of actual gameplay to mining.
Ka Plaa
Doomheim
#99 - 2016-05-03 21:02:27 UTC
You can consider yourself a sucker if you want, Indahmawar, I do not consider myself one.

I get what I pay for - access to this game - do you not?

There is a lot to do in EvE. Of course it could be better...yes there are problems...however, for entertainment money per hour EvE is actually a good value.

Unsub if you wish, it is likely I will not.

"The Crowd Is Untruth" - Kierkegaard
Kaska Iskalar
Doomheim
#100 - 2016-05-03 21:12:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaska Iskalar
I don't get how anyone even wants to do missions in the first place. I'm stuck missioning in high until next month so I can get the rest of my injectors. It's day 3 of 31 and I already want to kill myself.