EVE General Discussion

Null is not for you. Low is not for you. HS, as of now, is also not to ur liking. Seem no other choice but to leave and give me ur stuff on the way out. I know u dun wana see it but its just a logical solution to ur problem.

But its the only solution for ur problem!
btw anyone else besides this guy sees any unsults?

For many like this, disagreeing with them and pointing out the source of their issue is an insult lol.

Dear god you are picky!
Tried everything Low and null had to offer and its not for me. High sec is for me, Burner missions, incursions, drifters, scanning, hell even mining at times. The point is we need missions to be shelved and replaced because after time you have done them all, even the burners. Are we getting the picture yet or shall i spoon feed it to you more slowly?
Ask yourself this, how old is the damsel mission? when you get the answer ask yourself why the hell is it still there now?
They need drop them all and put out new ones, missions that dont have a wiki guide how to completed them and what loot is dropped. That makes it easy. Old missions are so old we have guides on how to win, do you not think thats kinda rubbish?

Another problem is you naivety. This probably comes from lack of experience.

This is how PVE works: CCP makes new PVE content. Players dissect new PVE like a middle school kid with a knife and a frog. Exactly 5 minutes later the ins and outs of "new and improved" PVE are up on EVE-Survival and several other sites.

10 minutes later people like you are tired of the new PVE and go back to saving the Damsel again (while running to the forum asking for yet MORE new content).

10 minutes after that (if we are lucky) CCP realizes they wasted several man-years worth of time providing 'content' to people who consume developer made content like black holes consume nebulae.

There is a reason people are still running missions and anomalies , most of which were created pre-2006. It's because people don't actually know what they want, they THINK they want new, but what the really want is the same old same old comfortable content they are used to.

CCP has been stuffing this game with PVE since 2009 (including new missions in 2011 like Dread Pilot Scarlet, the Epic Arcs and dozens of re-balanced missions in 2012 and 2013), and yet most of us still do the old stuff. That should tell you something.

News flash its 2016! I didnt even have this PC back in 2013 :) Rebalancing isnt the issue, you can rebalance it over and over its still the same story, the same mission. They need to replace them and on at least a yearly basis like other MMO's do.

I dont like Null or low but im sure there are a few players bored of the missions there too now. 3 years is too long.

OP,

Thanks for clarifying the issue. I was thinking of the damsel as I read this thread.

I think a problem with the issuing of new missions is that at some point, they will become old and stale as well, and then all the work that went into them will be wasted. This is why ccp has been trying a lot of the new types of activities. Some have been more successful than others, but the main focus with all of them is that they are more interactive and fluid than the agent missions. This is an effort to keep them fresh and interesting. They also are encounters that allow for multiple character interaction, which is in line with the sandbox environment they are trying to foment.

CCP talked a little about this in one of the roundtables at one of the recent meet ups. Again, the damsel was mentioned by name. The gist of the conversation was again that they recognized the problem of the repetition, but had still not settled on a good solution. They seemed very open to suggestions, and some have been implemented. My corporation just encountered a Titan while belt ratting, and that generated quite a bit of excitement, let me tell you.

I would recommend putting concrete ideas of things you like in posts, as this will generate discussion and might make it to the developers ears. crie de coeurs in general discussion usually don't get much mileage.

Cheers.

U wernt doing missions since 2007?

Really? are you sure you want to continue posting that?

-=PVE=-

ratting in belts in high sec offer a chance at a hauler spawn which gives a small amount of minerals, faction frigs drop either a crappy mod or faction ammo.

Low sec has a better chance of loot from the faction cruiser / bc and an increase in minerals dropped from the hauler spawn.

Null sec has same as before but with a better chance of a good module dropping and on top of that they also have a chance of spawning officers who drop some really decent gear depending on which officer you get. Hauler spawns also drop roughly 40mil trit, 20mil pye and a mix of other minerals, however not the same amount of trit / pye all the time it could be just roughly 80mil trit on its own. Not to mention the newly released capital ship npc's.

should i comment on the layout for ded sites from high sec to low to null?

missions lvl 1-4 in high sec which caused a lot of controversy in the past with how people were demanding the removal of lvl 4 agents from high sec which lead to the implementation of level 5 agents in low sec and has the potential for higher leveled agents to be placed in null sec when and if they bother to continue that path.

-=Industry=-

sub caps can be built in high, low and null sec space
caps can be built in low and null sec space.
supers and titans can be built in null.

Amarr factory outpost: - An advanced upgrade to Amarr Outpost manufacturing capabilities. Gives 1% Material Efficiency to all manufacturing jobs (stacks with all other improvements of the same type) and increases the manufacturing time reduction on all Tech I ships to 60%.

Amarr laboratory outpost: - An advanced upgrade to Amarr Outpost research capabilities. Gives an additional 10% cost reduction to Material Efficiency, Time Efficiency, Copy jobs (stacks with all other improvements of the same type) and increases the research time reduction on all PE research to 60%.

Refining less minerals / ice products for high sec, low sec receives a bit more compared to high sec and null sec gets the highest refinement in the game.

speaking of refining heres an example of how refining changes from the introduction of the new citadels.
Unrigged Citadel (in all areas of space): 50%
T1 rigged Highsec Citadel: 52%
T2 rigged Highsec Citadel: 54%
T1 rigged Lowsec Citadel: 55.12%
T2 rigged Lowsec Citadel: 57.24%
T1 rigged Null/WH Citadel: 58.24%
T2 rigged Null/WH Citadel: 60.48%

Moon mining : - high sec cant do it as of yet, low sec has a couple of decent moons which are fought over and null sec has the greatest amount of decent moons in the game.

This leads me to the "Thukker Component Assembly Array" that can only be deployed in low sec or null space which offers both 25% reduction in manufacturing required time and a 15% reduction in manufacturing required materials for components. However the future of this array is to be determined by the future patches we have coming in and if pos's will be removed.

-=Conclusion=-

if you still think its a delusional high sec rant about how CCP has been trying to guide players out of high sec after reading this then i really cant help you any further.


Its not wrong for a player or group of players to make a request for something to change as in the end it will affect everyone in some form and some of them who usually dont partake in those play styles may even enjoy the new concepts added to the game.

I am a HiSec player and I feel no pressure from CCP to go out to 'LoSec' or 'NullSec'. Whatever pressure you feel is entirely by you.

My own curiosity might push me that way but I don't see the need right now, I'm having all kinds of fun in HiSec.

CCP doesn't need to push "PVE".
(in quotes because PVE is something of a lie we all swallow to have a common concept of dealing with NPC objects vs. other player objects, the reality is by the definition of the lie, most of EVE is PVE in nature because very few players seek equal fights with other players, thus, another players ship is always prey to whomever initiates the attack. The end is mostly predetermined. Thus no different than a miner picking on an asteroid.)

No, PVE in HiSec works. The missions are weak, I'll give you that, but you get up to level 4 and you start seeing some serious stuff happening ISK wise. Action wise, you can always run HiSec combat sites and go escalation hunting. Good action and ISK there too.

Should CCP have someone dedicated to making new missions and new ideas for HiSec, yeah, they should. Do they have to? No, the game is huge and involving everything. You make your own game. Go play. If you're bored, vote with you wallet and go offline for a few months. Maybe CCP will get the hint.