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Is the Exotic Dance industry institutionally racist ?

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Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2016-05-03 17:50:49 UTC
Hey, speak for yourself.

We hire ugly strippers all the time.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Moonacre Parmala
State War Academy
Caldari State
#42 - 2016-05-04 08:25:22 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:
Hey, speak for yourself.

We hire ugly strippers all the time.



I can attest to acquiring many a ugly stripper's holo-comms number whether intentional or otherwise.... But despite hours of pleading on holo-chat they never seem to return my vid-calls.......


SadCrySadCry

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Vikarion
Doomheim
#43 - 2016-05-04 09:00:30 UTC
Muck Raker wrote:
Vikarion wrote:
I am surprised that Miss Muck Raker was able to make her way through the crowds of students protesting the institutional sexism of exotic dancing to interview the students protesting the institutional racism of same.


The exotic dance industry has made significant prancing steps towards eliminating sexism in exotic dance in recent times, with groups such as the Male Entertainers Network (M.E.N.), at the forefront of many campaigns of action.


Isn't there still a significant debate about the ratio of female to male exotic dancers?
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#44 - 2016-05-05 02:34:42 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
Um, when you're a student at UC you don't have to spend money at any establishment, high or low end. You can walk over to the School of Dance and watch the students showcase their talent for free.

Vero, you are already known for trolling and lying publically about Caldari soldiers.
Stop diverting discussion with your gallentean propaganda, it was about gallente racism.

You won't silence the fact with your dishonorable intermissions.

She did kinda prove you to being a pirate, (GASP! Horrible!) Liar (honestly not as much I'll admit), and a traitor (shooting py-re..... Tisk tisk). Pretty sure that puts you in the same light as her.

She never did, so stop barking, tribal dog.

She only made a lie (claiming me to be either a pirate, a liar or a traitor), that only a complete idiot would believe anyway. Now tell me, why I am not surprised YOU fell for it?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#45 - 2016-05-05 02:48:57 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
Um, when you're a student at UC you don't have to spend money at any establishment, high or low end. You can walk over to the School of Dance and watch the students showcase their talent for free.

Vero, you are already known for trolling and lying publically about Caldari soldiers.
Stop diverting discussion with your gallentean propaganda, it was about gallente racism.

You won't silence the fact with your dishonorable intermissions.

She did kinda prove you to being a pirate, (GASP! Horrible!) Liar (honestly not as much I'll admit), and a traitor (shooting py-re..... Tisk tisk). Pretty sure that puts you in the same light as her.

She never did, so stop barking, tribal dog.

She only made a lie (claiming me to be either a pirate, a liar or a traitor), that only a complete idiot would believe anyway. Now tell me, why I am not surprised YOU fell for it?

Because you know I believe what I see? Even trying to give you the benefit of the doubt it doesn't look good, atleast for that specific incident I was referring to. Now I did say she didn't really prove you to being a liar (Note: "Liar (honestly not as much I'll admit)") but you did chase after those who served beside you at the time. Those are actions a Pirate and/or a traitor would do. Mind you something that would get you banned from Matari Militia comms and black listed from many groups in my militia's fleets. So explain to me, someone posted an AAR, provided all the necessary information and even you commented in trying to justify what you did. What conclusion am I supposed to draw?
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#46 - 2016-05-05 03:34:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
Deitra Vess wrote:

Because you know I believe what I see?

Even if that was spouted from a foul mouth of obvious gallente propagandist and was refuted? Are you blind or stupid?...

Deitra Vess wrote:
Even trying to give you the benefit of the doubt it doesn't look good, atleast for that specific incident I was referring to. Now I did say she didn't really prove you to being a liar (Note: "Liar (honestly not as much I'll admit)") but you did chase after those who served beside you at the time. Those are actions a Pirate and/or a traitor would do.

Who were traitors, and I confirm, I chased after that scum. Those who didn't believe they were traitors can look at them now, it explains everything.

Yet calling me for this a pirate or even traitor is outright idiotism, that only a narrow-minded ignorant without ability to think would believe.

Deitra Vess wrote:
Mind you something that would get you banned from Matari Militia comms and black listed from many groups in my militia's fleets. So explain to me, someone posted an AAR, provided all the necessary information and even you commented in trying to justify what you did. What conclusion am I supposed to draw?

Oh, don't tell me you never had spies in militia and elements whom you kill on sight for being openly hostile?

I think I have given explanations back there years ago, if you are still unable to understand and comprehend this situation, why wouldn't you ask like a NORMAL human somewhere ELSE instead of making trollish and idiotic assumptions about something that stopped being relevant so long ago in absolute unrelated discussion and showing yourself ignorant to whole IGS, eh?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#47 - 2016-05-05 03:59:29 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Even if that was spouted from a foul mouth of obvious gallente propagandist and was refuted? Are you blind or stupid?...

I'm listening to you, yet you've accused me of being some bloodthirsty enemy of the state when admittedly, I could care less about your side of the cluster. Would someone interested in the caldari/Gallante conflict as a curiosity yet accused relatively frequently as some monster make me blind or stupid?

Diana Kim wrote:

Who were traitors, and I confirm, I chased after that scum. Those who didn't believe they were traitors can look at them now, it explains everything.

Yet calling me for this a pirate or even traitor is outright idiotism, that only a narrow-minded ignorant without ability to think would believe.
I'll fully admit I didn't/don't currently know a lot about them from their service with the State, only the Empire (since I fought them). As an outside observer yes it does look that way. Honestly I'm not going to read, what 6 pages of bickering from 3 years ago, like you I have a war to fight. From the first 2 pages and the subsequent pages remarks from involved parties (pyre members and yourself), I didn't really see your points for why they were these traitorous pirates you claimed them to be. Maybe there was something else said somewhere else that was evidence of some sort? I honestly don't know.


Diana Kim wrote:

Oh, don't tell me you never had spies in militia and elements whom you kill on sight for being openly hostile?

I think I have given explanations back there years ago, if you are still unable to understand and comprehend this situation, why wouldn't you ask like a NORMAL human somewhere ELSE instead of making trollish and idiotic assumptions about something that stopped being relevant so long ago and showing yourself ignorant to whole IGS, eh?

Of course we do. Quite a few honestly. If you don't mind, I'm going to take another look at the AAR in question. I will say I haven't painted myself anything you haven't painted yourself as, posting in a thread mind you, about "The exotic Dance Industry." So, how a matter of honor relates to the exotic dance industry just really raises the question of what honor involves in the state. Well, that's an unsettling image in my head.....
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#48 - 2016-05-05 05:09:54 UTC
Vikarion wrote:
I am surprised that Miss Muck Raker was able to make her way through the crowds of students protesting the institutional sexism of exotic dancing to interview the students protesting the institutional racism of same.



What makes you think they weren't the same students?

Either way, you have to take any protest at the school of dance with a fair amount of salt. Odds are the "protesters" are just there for the show.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#49 - 2016-05-05 05:31:08 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:

I'm listening to you, yet you've accused me of being some bloodthirsty enemy of the state when admittedly, I could care less about your side of the cluster. Would someone interested in the caldari/Gallante conflict as a curiosity yet accused relatively frequently as some monster make me blind or stupid?

I am accusing you based on your stance towards State pilots. If you choose to be hostile, you will be treated as hostile. I think I have explained it multiple times. How many times more do i need to say it to a minmatar for them to understand? This isn't the discussion for this, really. Make a new discussion and I'll show you it in details with pictures.

Besides, that wasn't "interest in conflict", that was assuming and repeating lies about Caldari officer, that make your words openly hostile without bearing meaning of finding truth. If you would indeed interested out of curiosity, you'd ask questions instead of straightforward trolling.

Deitra Vess wrote:
I'll fully admit I didn't/don't currently know a lot about them from their service with the State, only the Empire (since I fought them). As an outside observer yes it does look that way. Honestly I'm not going to read, what 6 pages of bickering from 3 years ago, like you I have a war to fight. From the first 2 pages and the subsequent pages remarks from involved parties (pyre members and yourself), I didn't really see your points for why they were these traitorous pirates you claimed them to be. Maybe there was something else said somewhere else that was evidence of some sort? I honestly don't know.

Yet you made accusation without knowing facts. Does it look like curiosity for you, tribal? Is it usual for minmatars to insult each other if they want to learn something about them?

Just stop wasting my time.

Deitra Vess wrote:

Of course we do. Quite a few honestly. If you don't mind, I'm going to take another look at the AAR in question. I will say I haven't painted myself anything you haven't painted yourself as, posting in a thread mind you, about "The exotic Dance Industry." So, how a matter of honor relates to the exotic dance industry just really raises the question of what honor involves in the state. Well, that's an unsettling image in my head.....

You should have looked through it before posting anything and representing yourself like that lying troll Vero.

I have told you quite long ago to stop speaking with or about me, as you were clearly shown yourself unable to conduct proper conversation. I'll prefer to simply shoot down such inconvenience like you in space, as I really doubt you are able to understand any words now.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2016-05-05 05:45:59 UTC
I know absolutely nothing
ABSOLUTELY
NOTHING
about exotic dances, but...

I think you girls shall solve your dispute by dancing. It will be way more interesting to watch instead of reading your walls of text.

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Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#51 - 2016-05-05 05:53:45 UTC
I'd love to suggest a CONCORD Emergency Dance Off Act, but I'd immediately be accused of attempting to spread Gallente hegemony through cultural imperialism ect ect.
Rook Moray
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2016-05-05 17:40:31 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
I'd love to suggest a CONCORD Emergency Dance Off Act, but I'd immediately be accused of attempting to spread Gallente hegemony through cultural imperialism ect ect.



You say that as if it's a bad thing.

“When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.” -Guristas Proverb.

Moonacre Parmala
State War Academy
Caldari State
#53 - 2016-05-11 07:45:09 UTC
Luna Hanaya wrote:
I know absolutely nothing
ABSOLUTELY
NOTHING
about exotic dances, but...

I think you girls shall solve your dispute by dancing. It will be way more interesting to watch instead of reading your walls of text.


Hmm, me thinks you doth protest to much............

Is there something in your pre-pod days you're wishing to hide or do I have to scowl the holo archives?

I'm sure I've the contacts to access even the Ammarian hidden files, and if not a few days hacking should uncover the goods....

Law Number III: There are no lazy veteran lion hunters.

Law Number VI: A hungry dog hunts best. A hungrier dog hunts even better.

Law Number XXXVIII: The early bird gets the worm. The early worm....gets eaten.

If in doubt , SHOOT !

Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#54 - 2016-05-11 10:47:08 UTC
Muck Raker wrote:
News reaches Gutter Press from the entertainment district of Caille, that a growing number of citizens are of the belief that the exotic dance industry is "institutionally racist", and systematically discriminates against many would-be dancers, based solely on their ethnicity !

Discrimination !

Our investigators visited a great number of exotic dance establishments, to find out the truth of the situation, and interviewed several dancers at those fine establishments, one of the cornerstones of the Federal cultural scene.

"Oh yah, like, if you're not ethnic Gallente, or maybe Intaki, you can just like, forget about being in the high-profile dance productions", said one exotic dancer, of Jin-Mei ethnicity.
"Totally. Like, they don't like Minmatar, because of our tattoos and all. Says it like, distracts from the fluidity of the dancing", said another dancer, of Sebiestor ethnic origins.
"Oh no, that's not true. There's several Minmatar dancers in a lot of the dance troupes", said an Intaki exotic dancer.
"Not really. Those dance troupes picked those Minmatar girls as principals, specifically because they contrast with the rest of the dance corps", said a Gallente exotic dancer.

Tokenism ?

Opinions were also varied amongst the clientèle of the exotic dance establishments, about the kinds of dancers they preferred to see perform.

"I'm not really a fan of Minmatar dancers. Or of any dancer who has tattoos. When you see them dancing, those tattoos are a reminder that you're looking at a real person, and the performance becomes about that person, and not about the dance movements as an art form", said one exotic dance enthusiast, of Gallente origin.
"I disagree, if it's abstract art form dance that you want, you can get that from those drone exotic dancers. I, for one, prefer watching real dancers, rather than robots, and those tattoos or other body art show that it's a real person, and not a machine", said another enthusiast, of Jin-Mei ethnicity.
"Those Gallente girls, they have no tats, you know, so it's like, when they dance, they're like, nakeder than Tribal girls, and that's what I come to see. Naked girls", said a Brutor exotic dance fan.
"Brutor, what ? Gallente girls are freaky looking, cos they got no tats. Those Tribal sisters are trying to earn a living, why you putting them down like that?", said a Sebiestor exotic dance fan.

Controversial !

Gutter Press also spoke to several academics, including the faculty at the University of Caille School of Dance, which teaches a staggeringly wide variety of dance forms.

"Well, sure, a lot of dance clubs in the terrestrial environments will hire dancers based on skin colours, depending on what look they want", said a vaccum environment dance lecturer. "But, when the dancer's in a vacc-suit, well, skin colour doesn't make a difference. Then, it's purely about the movement."
"Any form of body paint based exotic dance will also not discriminate", said another lecturer, specialising in exotic materials.
"It's primarily a socio-economic phenomenon", said another lecturer. "At the bottom, are clubs who hire individual dancers. They'll pretty much hire anyone. You get some higher class clubs too, with a more exclusive standards, though they'll hire anyone, based on skill, because they're still marketing individual dancers. Then there's the theatres and such, where they stage group shows, and they'll be looking for people to fit their desired image, now those will discriminate against anyone that doesn't fit the group. Too tall, too short, too cybernetic, not cybernetic enough, too light, too dark. Anyone that doesn't fit won't get in."

Interesting !

It would seem that the exotic dance industry might not be institutionally racist, though some establishments might be, and that overall, the exotic dance industry is a lot more complex than most people realise !


Gutter Press will continue to keep several eyes on the exotic dance industry, keeping our readers abreast of any developments.

Gutter Press. The Naked Truth.


One can't institutionalize academic phis ed.

Exotic dancing is not cult or racist enthusiasm. The meanings are switched. Some clubs might be ok. Don't go.

If it is a racist cult then they are just mocking their own women in demeaning manors and the ladies are not dancing
they are asking for help.

destroy these clubs for the ladies.

a demeaning manor where ladies are asking for help instead of dancing means bad babies

bad babies means future enemies.

these targets are tactically sound to interfere with. never let a torturer blame shift in this fashion.

his bad babies are his problems and no torture will turn him into a father in the eyes of the

Most High

bless those establishments.

-otto
Sinti Vailatti
Angelis Exploration
#55 - 2016-05-12 17:55:54 UTC
Moonacre Parmala wrote:
Luna Hanaya wrote:
I know absolutely nothing
ABSOLUTELY
NOTHING
about exotic dances, but...

I think you girls shall solve your dispute by dancing. It will be way more interesting to watch instead of reading your walls of text.


Hmm, me thinks you doth protest to much............

Is there something in your pre-pod days you're wishing to hide or do I have to scowl the holo archives?

I'm sure I've the contacts to access even the Ammarian hidden files, and if not a few days hacking should uncover the goods....




Drop me a line sometime.

You see, there was this brothel I used to work at back in the day. And one night...

“Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?”

Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2016-05-13 03:47:53 UTC
Moonacre Parmala wrote:
Luna Hanaya wrote:
I know absolutely nothing
ABSOLUTELY
NOTHING
about exotic dances, but...

I think you girls shall solve your dispute by dancing. It will be way more interesting to watch instead of reading your walls of text.


Hmm, me thinks you doth protest to much............

Is there something in your pre-pod days you're wishing to hide or do I have to scowl the holo archives?

I'm sure I've the contacts to access even the Ammarian hidden files, and if not a few days hacking should uncover the goods....

No.
Move along.

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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#57 - 2016-05-13 04:18:54 UTC
I think someone's hiding something.....

Roll
Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#58 - 2016-05-13 08:23:18 UTC
Gutter Press, now that's an appropiate corp name. Lol

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Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#59 - 2016-05-13 18:33:59 UTC
I agree. It evokes the thoroughness and accuracy of the news agency and how they get to the "guts" of a story.

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Moonacre Parmala
State War Academy
Caldari State
#60 - 2016-05-16 10:34:47 UTC
Sinti Vailatti wrote:



Drop me a line sometime.

You see, there was this brothel I used to work at back in the day. And one night...



OOOO Shocked so you were there ??????

I always prefer first hand accounts....

Law Number III: There are no lazy veteran lion hunters.

Law Number VI: A hungry dog hunts best. A hungrier dog hunts even better.

Law Number XXXVIII: The early bird gets the worm. The early worm....gets eaten.

If in doubt , SHOOT !