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What A Great Design!

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Hawke Frost
#21 - 2016-04-30 18:02:42 UTC
Mikael Owen wrote:
Hawke, dude are you by any chance, uuuhhhmmm a douche? :D

Dude, listen. First of all Hulk is heavy. You don't just warp out. Secondly it all happened fast. I activated my two other shield mods and hoped that the Concord will come. In the meanwhile I jump to hauler and tried to warp her out and she made it out. Get it?

And also please enlighten me on this subject : How would EvE work without miners, doing that boring **** you talk about? So it's boring as ****, not risky and the game is punishing me with ****** rewards. What do you suggest all miners do? I am curious bro.


Intelligent miners who put in brain effort will choose to do stuff that doesn't end up in them exploding. They do so by reading the forum, checking guides and whatnot. They quickly learn to not use a hulk, to fit shield extenders, to always orbit or be aligned, to Dscan and to fit their 700 mil hauling itty 5 with MWD and a cloak.

Mining works fine for ppl with a working brain who aren't lazy, just like other parts of the game. Mining isn't the problem, gankers aren't the problem. YOU are the problem.
Jovian Angel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2016-04-30 18:07:28 UTC
As soon as you said

"Im a miner" I lol'd

However mining in a hulk in high sec is suicidal.

Use a mack and be happy (with tank)

Mikael Owen
Dystopian Angels
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#23 - 2016-04-30 18:07:32 UTC
Hawke Frost wrote:
Mikael Owen wrote:
Hawke, dude are you by any chance, uuuhhhmmm a douche? :D

Dude, listen. First of all Hulk is heavy. You don't just warp out. Secondly it all happened fast. I activated my two other shield mods and hoped that the Concord will come. In the meanwhile I jump to hauler and tried to warp her out and she made it out. Get it?

And also please enlighten me on this subject : How would EvE work without miners, doing that boring **** you talk about? So it's boring as ****, not risky and the game is punishing me with ****** rewards. What do you suggest all miners do? I am curious bro.


Intelligent miners who put in brain effort will choose to do stuff that doesn't end up in them exploding. They do so by reading the forum, checking guides and whatnot. They quickly learn to not use a hulk, to fit shield extenders, to always orbit or be aligned, to Dscan and to fit their 700 mil hauling itty 5 with MWD and a cloak.

Mining works fine for ppl with a working brain who aren't lazy, just like other parts of the game. Mining isn't the problem, gankers aren't the problem. YOU are the problem.



I think you are the problem here Hawke. Big smile

I am all ears and some people pointed out some facts. I wasn't playing the game for a couple of years so I am making some mistakes. With a better mouth you could a lot more good bro.
Starrakatt
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#24 - 2016-04-30 18:10:25 UTC
Buy and use a Skiff.

Yeild is lesser, true, but it got a great tank and in the long run you will come up ahead ISK wise.

Or run missions or do exploration for better income.

Mining in 0.0 is way more profitable, and usually safer. Mail me in game if you want, I could refer you to someone who joined a Nulsec alliance and did just that with success.
Hawke Frost
#25 - 2016-04-30 18:15:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Hawke Frost
Mikael Owen wrote:
I am all ears and some people pointed out some facts. I wasn't playing the game for a couple of years so I am making some mistakes. With a better mouth you could a lot more good bro.


You're not "all ears", you made a whiny statement about how the design sucks, pointing fingers left and right. If you think that wasn't a whine post them uhm, yeah. Why should any one of us put active effort into helping someone who hasn't put in the effort himself while sperging about the obvious outcome of that lack of effort.

If you want help ask questions in a reasonable manner, if you sperg expect to get called on that.
Mikael Owen
Dystopian Angels
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#26 - 2016-04-30 18:18:50 UTC
Hawke Frost wrote:
Mikael Owen wrote:
I am all ears and some people pointed out some facts. I wasn't playing the game for a couple of years so I am making some mistakes. With a better mouth you could a lot more good bro.


You're not "all ears", you made a whiny statement about how the design sucks, pointing fingers left and right. If you think that wasn't a whine post them uhm, yeah. Why should any one of us put in active into helping someone who hasn't put in the effort himself while sperging about the obvious outcome of that lack of effort.

If you want help ask questions in a reasonable manner, if you sperg expect to get called on that.


"I am all ears" and I accept, the mistake was on my part. Got it?

Thanks for your input bro, non the less.
Mikael Owen
Dystopian Angels
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#27 - 2016-04-30 18:20:27 UTC
Starrakatt wrote:
Buy and use a Skiff.

Yeild is lesser, true, but it got a great tank and in the long run you will come up ahead ISK wise.

Or run missions or do exploration for better income.

Mining in 0.0 is way more profitable, and usually safer. Mail me in game if you want, I could refer you to someone who joined a Nulsec alliance and did just that with success.


Thank you for the offer!
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#28 - 2016-04-30 19:13:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Mikael Owen wrote:
And also please enlighten me on this subject : How would EvE work without miners, doing that boring **** you talk about? So it's boring as ****, not risky and the game is punishing me with ****** rewards. What do you suggest all miners do? I am curious bro.

The issue isn't so much that Eve doesn't need mining, it does. The issue is more that the way you were doing it isn't really putting any sort of dent in that need and there are people/fleets out there doing it right.

One lone Hulk in highsec is just asking for trouble. They don't have the tank to survive a gank and they are an attractive target because of the value of the kill mail.

If you are solo, then give up the slightly higher yield and take an exhumer that is tanky. So go compare the ganks on Skiffs vs Hulks and you'll see that Skiffs are rarely ganked even though they are worth just as much.

However, for your one player operation, if you want to increase income, then you would be better off putting that hauling character into a second mining ship, just going with T1 (procurers) and gaining efficiency in volume mined that way. Even accounting for warping to station to drop ore, you'll still make more ISK using 2 X T1 barges than you will off 1 X T2 exhumer and industrial.

Not only more volume, but less of a gank target too.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#29 - 2016-04-30 19:38:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Use this and you are golden:

[Skiff, HMS UPYOURS 1]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Medium Shield Extender II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II

Strip Miner I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Medium Shield Maintenance Bot I x5

A Hulk has the tank of a wet paper bag, this little lovely skiff does not, it gets to about 110k EHP and the gankers just go and mess with other people unless they really really want you, but you will be happy knowing that in killing you it cost them. Have fun...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Hawke Frost
#30 - 2016-04-30 19:48:47 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Use this and you are golden:

[Skiff, HMS UPYOURS 1]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Medium Shield Extender II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II

Strip Miner I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Medium Shield Maintenance Bot I x5

A Hulk has the tank of a wet paper bag, this little lovely skiff does not, it gets to about 110k EHP and the gankers just go and mess with other people unless they really really want you, but you will be happy knowing that in killing you it cost them. Have fun...


You don't need all that. You can replace the low slots with all MLU. Flying a skiff with any sort of logical shield tank is already enough to never become a target (unless you made it personal).
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#31 - 2016-04-30 19:55:46 UTC
Hawke Frost wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Use this and you are golden:

[Skiff, HMS UPYOURS 1]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Medium Shield Extender II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II

Strip Miner I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Medium Shield Maintenance Bot I x5

A Hulk has the tank of a wet paper bag, this little lovely skiff does not, it gets to about 110k EHP and the gankers just go and mess with other people unless they really really want you, but you will be happy knowing that in killing you it cost them. Have fun...


You don't need all that. You can replace the low slots with all MLU. Flying a skiff with any sort of logical shield tank is already enough to never become a target (unless you made it personal).


Its to stop him going through the loss of a ship and a pod again, if he wants to reduce the tank then its his call, I just gave him the optimal anti-gank fit for the delicious Skiff, which causes CODE to sulk on the forums at times.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#32 - 2016-04-30 20:04:03 UTC
"Maaaantiiiicoooore... Seeecuuuuriiityyyy... Soooluuuutiooooons"

Just jotting that down - you know, for future reference.

Also, the irony of corp name vs. op is not entirely lost on me.
Kieran Mobius
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2016-04-30 20:15:54 UTC
Mikael Owen wrote:
Hawke, dude are you by any chance, uuuhhhmmm a douche? :D

Dude, listen. First of all Hulk is heavy. You don't just warp out. Secondly it all happened fast. I activated my two other shield mods and hoped that the Concord will come. In the meanwhile I jump to hauler and tried to warp her out and she made it out. Get it?


I'm assuming that you were multi-boxing by this statement. If I'm wrong, please forgive me and ignore the rest of this.

I recommend next time you stay aligned on both toons and do a fleet warp. That way you are atleast making ready to warp on both and then you can turn on defensive modules.
Rook Moray
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2016-04-30 20:49:28 UTC
Why are you mining in HiSec?

The real ISK is in Low and Null. For the same amount of time, you can make 10 times the ISK and be able to afford a fleet of ships. Get some buddies, scout out a good Corp, or just fit some cheap mining ships and do it ninja style.

Sitting in HiSec is a waste of time and as you saw, leaves you open for a gank.

“When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.” -Guristas Proverb.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#35 - 2016-04-30 21:19:43 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
as a miner for 12 years... dude...

1) fit a better tank or use a mack, it has a better tank.

2) mine with your friends

3) join another corp

4) stop whining and don't afk mine, seriously you should of been able to tank them both or bail when you saw them.



I would also recommend you join the gank intel channels.


You might also consider rolling an alt and participating in fighting the people who did this do you.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2016-04-30 21:23:59 UTC
Oh stop whining already and use a Skiff instead... Ain't exactly breaking news.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#37 - 2016-04-30 21:58:48 UTC
Mikael Owen wrote:
Hello there!

So I am a miner, trying to make ISK, minding my own business in 0.7 security. A good day to play, I've been mining for like 6-7 hours already. Making that ISK. Then I see two destroyers coming in and blowing up my Hulk along with my pod. What a great design. What a great game to play.

Let's assume these two Catalysts cost 10mil to make ready to fly.
Let's assume I made my Hulk by spending 250mil. Insured it for 20m too.
10m kills 250mil before Concord can react to, in a 0.7 security.

What a reasonable ratio. What magical numbers I see. The math here is incredibly satisfying.

So 6-7 hours I spent mining are down the drain. Incredible design! So correct! So on point!
I am loving this game so freaking much!

Thank you CCP! Can't wait to buy another Hulk and go through this again! So exciting!


If only there were some choices you could have made that would have affected the outcome.

But no Cry

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2016-04-30 22:17:58 UTC
Page 2 and a representative of CODE. hasn't shown up to make you a very generous offer of protection? Man we are slacking today.

It's a good deal though, a great deal even, some even say it's a steal.

There once was a ganker named tisi

A stunningly beautiful missy

To gank a gross miner

There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy

Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#39 - 2016-04-30 22:29:45 UTC
Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#40 - 2016-04-30 22:39:16 UTC
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
Page 2 and a representative of CODE. hasn't shown up to make you a very generous offer of protection? Man we are slacking today.

It's a good deal though, a great deal even, some even say it's a steal.

what happened with your private en-devour might i ask?

feel free to hit me up in-game if you dont want to post about it, im legitimately curious