Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Wow so if someone enjoys a playstyle that you don't (station games) they are stupid?


If anything it's you're argument about them now being worse for wh that is flawed considering they already give or what many people see as to much isk.

Actually they've stated exactly the opposite.
They've said that tiericide worked well inside the class, but that the entire class is lacking. Of course, they said that more than 5 minutes ago, so they've probably reversed their opinion on it by now, but that was actually what they said.
There is a simple solution though and that is to just increase their EHP so they aren't a mere fraction more than Cruisers & BC's, but actually a significant jump to justify the difference in mobility.
Doubling their base EHP would achieve this pretty well, without changing active tank methods or DPS.

IMO main problemm with battleships in solo and small gang PvP is low chances to create proper fit cause too low number of slots.
I do not think that it would be correct to increase their basic stats - better option here +1 or even +2 slots to each ship, equal role bonus to all versions (1-2 warp resistance, or 100% warp speed, 50% to the smart bomb damage or anything else)
I know that i can go to the PvP with Hyperion because one single reason - it have more than 4 med slots. You have possibility to fit propulsion module, grapler, stasis, scrambler or even track computer (as we all remember, as one member said here - BS do not need tracking bonus because there are track comps), also blaster have better tracking then other turrets.
Missile ships also have chances because their rapid launchers and again, most of them have enough slots to hit fast targets.

But what about other battleships? Low tracking combined with limited numbers of slots makes it useless in small scale PvP.
I am sure that it must be corrected.

About timer o the bastion module. Looks like those guys, who told their argumented position about "dock games" are corect and it must remains.

About grapler. Great idea, but why the hell falloff the same in overheat regime?

some ppl can't even figure this out with capitals you expect them to understand it with BBs?

Sorry I didn't mean weaker as compared to how they are now I meant they would become weaker do to buffer getting a buff

Battleships are not capitals. I quess it's wrong to make such compares.
I agree that "few" friends can help, but sorry, i have not seen small gang with BS and few smaller assist ships, only single BS (Hyperion or Typhon, Golem with missiles) or a lot of BSs with support, but this is absoluttly different story.
Probably BS's warp speed is a reason of this.
And more possibilities, nothing more.

Here is my position - i want the Battleships to be less dependable on support, making them closer in this aspect to the other subcapitals.
There is a clear "border line" between two groups of ships in the game - capitals and subcapitals. Battleships must be subcapitals at first place, not limited demo-version version of capitals.

I sure that BS small buff will be fair to those, who've spended a lot of time to train those long skills.

PavlicX I am a little confused as to what it is you would like to see for battleships. Are you wanting them to have bonuses to small turents and launchers?

I rarely even fit scrams or points to my battleships. Webs outside of a bonused hull were also almost a wasted mid slot on a shield ship until grapplers and even then the limited effective ability at range makes them questionable at best under most engagements i have had in battleships.

Good example from me dropping a solo battleship on a small fleet before I took a 4 month break. 2 hull tanked brutix, 2 stratios, and a hic. My ship, a passive bait rattle.

During the engagement if i had webs and points there was no use for them against the strats, they just kite out of range. But i'm in a battleship and can engage them farther then they can engage me with offensive weapons.

As for the 2 brutix they are most always blaster boats and almost as slow as I am. I could have had point for them but that would have defeated the massive tank i had stacked to keep them in play. The Hic I did not care about cause I needed him to keep his buddies in the bubble for me so I did not have to bring my own Hic :P

Even being totally filled with tank in all the rattles low and mid slots I still commanded a solid 800 dps with rapid heavies and drone.

All i had for help was a single tengu to drop in on my command and start pointing and shooting the primaries as i pealed them down. This fight went on for quite a while and in the end no one lost any ships due to they were able to jump the wormhole and warp out and we only had 2 people on.

For a 2v5 that one battleship was the game changer for that fight to even be possible. I feel that this is sort of the traditional role that battleships are supposed to fill. They act as dps anchors and at the same time can deliver very respectable offensive dps. Now depending on the fit this balance of tank vs dps can lean to one side or the other but still fill that same basic role in small gang.

It would be interesting if CCP did an ewar re-balance on basic t1 hulls for battleships. A mega with bonus to damps would be interesting and force some ships to come in closer. Bonus to grapplers on a Nado would be funny. But even with those changes the basic use of these ships would still remain the same.

I know that you are also trying to compare the non missile ships and other t1 hulls as well but it really is the same as all other t1 classed ships when you speak of slot layout. Some Minmatar are horrible for having the lack of enough mid or lows to get those over powered fits so your forced to fly the ships in very specific ways.

I can see where ccp would be cautious to make any radical changes to t1 battleship hulls considering how some of them are very OP currently when used in specific ways. Adding extra slots you would start seeing ravens that can tank 20 man fleets.

fast tracking turrets would be much more powerful than fast tracking missiles. just look at the situation with HAW the phoenix is just sad in comparison :/

they have plenty of slots and the ships do see use.

battle ships don't need a buff T3s need a nerf right now they are all of the pros of a BB with none of the cons so why use a bb over a t3