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trade Hubs suck now time to make new ones
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Lucifer Morningstar SoulTrader
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2016-04-27 08:56:01 UTC
how many people here are going to move out of the default Trade Centers and make your own when you get a citadel

after all the tax rate is going to be ********
Magnu Stormhawk
#2 - 2016-04-27 09:32:04 UTC
OMG THE SKY IS FALLING
Tam Arai
Mi Pen Rai
#3 - 2016-04-27 09:48:03 UTC
run for the hills!!
Big Lynx
#4 - 2016-04-27 10:00:03 UTC
I like bananas
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#5 - 2016-04-27 12:34:39 UTC
One does not simply make a new trade hub. Straight

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Azela Charante
Doomheim
#6 - 2016-04-27 12:46:19 UTC
Jita has way to much product to just move to a different place, its not going to happen, i mean you could in theory if you had a large enough alliance maybe perhaps force a hub, but its still not going to change.
Maker Atavuli
Atavuli Exploration Society
#7 - 2016-05-05 14:55:31 UTC
Folks are lazy and do NOT like change. If 4-4 is not burning people will trade there.

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Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#8 - 2016-05-05 14:57:47 UTC
Magnu Stormhawk wrote:
OMG THE SKY IS FALLING



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Angelica Everstar
#9 - 2016-05-05 21:35:18 UTC
Jita will fall
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Tertharan
#10 - 2016-05-06 05:39:04 UTC
Maker Atavuli wrote:
Folks are lazy and do NOT like change. If 4-4 is not burning people will trade there.


I think it's silly to assume it will never happen. The devs have stated that they want the citadels to supplant NPC stations eventually. They've already raised NPC broker's fees once, there's no reason to assume they won't come up with more ways to incentivize people to switch if they're not satisfied.

Even as it is now, if someone built and demonstrated the ability to defend a Keepstar in a good convenient high sec location, set the fees low enough, and made refining free, I think people could be convinced to move their stuff. Not all at once, but over time. Not only would trading be cheaper, you'd have the advantage of the tethering system. No more station camping. And with the ability to look outside the station, you'd be able to amuse yourself watching people try to blow the thing up while you station trade.
Shayla Etherodyne
Delta Laroth Industries
#11 - 2016-05-06 06:54:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Shayla Etherodyne
Tertharan wrote:
Maker Atavuli wrote:
Folks are lazy and do NOT like change. If 4-4 is not burning people will trade there.


I think it's silly to assume it will never happen. The devs have stated that they want the citadels to supplant NPC stations eventually. They've already raised NPC broker's fees once, there's no reason to assume they won't come up with more ways to incentivize people to switch if they're not satisfied.

Even as it is now, if someone built and demonstrated the ability to defend a Keepstar in a good convenient high sec location, set the fees low enough, and made refining free, I think people could be convinced to move their stuff. Not all at once, but over time. Not only would trading be cheaper, you'd have the advantage of the tethering system. No more station camping. And with the ability to look outside the station, you'd be able to amuse yourself watching people try to blow the thing up while you station trade.


I would amend that to: "if someone built and demonstrated the ability to defend a Keepstar in a good convenient high sec location for several months".

A war or two would prove very little.
Tertharan
#12 - 2016-05-06 07:15:15 UTC
Shayla Etherodyne wrote:
I would amend that to: "if someone built and demonstrated the ability to defend a Keepstar in a good convenient high sec location for several months".

A war or two would prove very little.


Yes, this would be the main reason people would be reluctant. The whole impound thing sounds rather annoying, to say the least, especially if you have a lot of stock. But Keepstars are going to be incredibly annoying to kill in High sec, and the owning alliance would have a huge incentive to fight for it. Even with broker fees as low as 1%, considering the amount of trade any major hub sees on a regular basis I imagine it would make quite a bit of money.
Tam Arai
Mi Pen Rai
#13 - 2016-05-06 08:01:49 UTC
if taxes increase by 5%, surely you increase your prices 5% and profit remains the same

also, a larger spread on buy/sell prices to account for larger fees
Lord Ra
Sicarius.
#14 - 2016-05-06 23:50:25 UTC
Im staying at the hubs not a single **** given about citadels.
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
#15 - 2016-05-07 00:55:49 UTC
Tam Arai wrote:
if taxes increase by 5%, surely you increase your prices 5% and profit remains the same

also, a larger spread on buy/sell prices to account for larger fees


Producers wont have a lot of the costs that traders do, so some of them may be able to undercut traders. I doubt that it'll be a large percent of the market, but producers (ratters, miners, etc.) will have a measurable advantage when it comes to pricing. Will give mining corps a nice advantage (assuming they can source enough).
Tertharan
#16 - 2016-05-07 03:41:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tertharan
Tam Arai wrote:
if taxes increase by 5%, surely you increase your prices 5% and profit remains the same

also, a larger spread on buy/sell prices to account for larger fees


And this works right up until everything you sell is available right next door for 5% cheaper. At a certain point, if enough things are available in the same place at a cheaper enough price, people will start to migrate.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#17 - 2016-05-07 13:05:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Rhivre
Tertharan wrote:
Tam Arai wrote:
if taxes increase by 5%, surely you increase your prices 5% and profit remains the same

also, a larger spread on buy/sell prices to account for larger fees


And this works right up until everything you sell is available right next door for 5% cheaper. At a certain point, if enough things are available in the same place at a cheaper enough price, people will start to migrate.



Is it not more likely that people would pick up the items, and sell next door for higher, pocketing bigger profits?

I had 1.14% broker fee in Jita, 0.37% broker fee in Dixie, I can assure you I was not selling items cheaper in Dodixie just becauseI had lower broker fees.

At the moment, offshoring seems the mostly likely thing to happen, so everyone just sits in the citadel and places 1 jump range orders for 0% fee, then flips to sell in the hub as usual, so not putting any traffic through the hub.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#18 - 2016-05-08 00:50:33 UTC
I will post my regionwide buy orders from Citadels, but that's the limit of the changes. Of course I'll have to suck up the broker fees wherever stock lands.

Also, I will be selling low margin items like PLEX via private contracts wherever possible.

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Tam Arai
Mi Pen Rai
#19 - 2016-05-08 04:29:10 UTC
Sheeth Athonille wrote:
Tam Arai wrote:
if taxes increase by 5%, surely you increase your prices 5% and profit remains the same

also, a larger spread on buy/sell prices to account for larger fees


Producers wont have a lot of the costs that traders do, so some of them may be able to undercut traders. I doubt that it'll be a large percent of the market, but producers (ratters, miners, etc.) will have a measurable advantage when it comes to pricing. Will give mining corps a nice advantage (assuming they can source enough).


that seems fair enough to me. miners/ manufacturers are actually doing and creating something and running a large manufacturing concern is quite difficult and time consuming. a small advantage over those just flipping products feels ok
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2016-05-08 04:34:34 UTC
the changes made me want my own fortizar.

that's a pretty damn good thing tbh
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