Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Agreed.

Collapse them into one system now, and when you're ready to roll out the diverse sites with new gameplay in the future, add your 2nd hacking module type then.

I think a better way to achieve the goal of making a useful combined module would be to give it equal strength/coherence to the specialized modules, but much higher fitting costs than two of them - you need 50 cpu and 2 pg to run a t2 relic and data analyzer, so the combined module could maybe take 70 cpu and 5 pg, so you're trading midslots for fitting space.

Options are good (for those that want them). Though I think for the dedicated explorers, they'll tend to stick with the T2 versions for maximum effectiveness.

It's not just about the success rate for optimal play, but also about the speed with which one can hack and the attention one has to pay to the process. Or in other words, just how sub-optimal can play be and still result in a successful hack? If the combined module doesn't have as good stats as my Tech II separate ones, then I'm likely to stick with those.

I think nobody has noted yet the proposed loss of a virus utility slot? That makes matters somewhat worse still.

Increasing the fitting requirements makes sense concerning game play, but it is a bit illogical. Given the similarities between both kinds of hacks, I would expect a combined module to draw slightly more PG&CPU than the separated ones - certainly not twice as much plus overhead. That's not how tech works...

The best idea is still to abandon the separated modules outright and simply offer several tiers of combined modules, at roughly the old stats. The extra mid slot (for those who now fly both modules) is really not such a significant buff for this class of ship doing this kind of job.

The one place where I could see a trade-off happening is in Optimal Range. So if there must be both, let the combined module have less range than the separated ones (because it needs to detect the type of site), but otherwise be equivalent.

Players that haven't skilled up for T2 might like to try them. Once you have skilled up to use T2, and that strength, there's no turning back. I have no interest in using the modules as described. Mobile depot makes switching too easy. Consider adding more drawbacks. Less coherence. One utility slot? I see many other good suggestions here about new drawbacks.

yeah sure make them less powerful but really the two modules for similar activities is confusing.

Agreed. I'm not fitting sisters launcher on most of my ships. But if it's too expensive there's just no incentive.

@Beta Maoye
The market is too volatile at the moment, because of this very anouncement, to take current prices for your math.
For example, you priced "High-Tech Manufacturing Tools" at 8,500 ISK. But there aren't even 1,000 units on market in Jita right now.
Calculations like these are pointless right now.

@CCP RedDawn, please consider the idea of adding a third integrated analyzer, combining the stats of the current Tech2 variants. Make the BPC drop chance really low or the manufacturing cost really high (or both), but it would be really cool to see such a module ingame.

I'll just quote a comment from reddit here:

I like the idea of these, but they need to be tweaked.

Merging Relic and Data mechanics into one skill, one module - No, just no. Just because things are similar, doesn't mean we should eliminate the choices. If we go down that path let's kill off ammo variants, asteroid variants, PI planet variants, moon goo variants, etc. Don't give in to over-simpliftying the game. Please keep them separate and work on ways to add further complexity and distinctiveness in the future.

Virus strength as others said, it needs to be equal to their T1/T2 counterparts or they will be useless

Drawbacks - A -10 coherence vs their equivalent is a reasonable loss partial drawback. Price should be another as it ups the gamble on field and adds to the value of hunting explorers. Ideal prices would aim at 20M T1 / 100M T2. It's easier to lower prices later than raise them if these are underused.

Another path to drawbacks could be a penalty to probe scan strength.

I also see these as an opportunity to add more desirability to the Anathema and Cheetah. What about giving them lower CPU use than the sum of equivalent modules, but higher power use (5MW or so) and pair it with a matching boost to the power grid on the 4 mid-slot CovOps-es. Thus on Anathema and Cheetah they will serve as an usability equalizer, while on the Buzzard and Helios they will offer a trade of PG for the extra slot

this guy has a point. streem line the whole process.
have 1 analizer

T1 on par with current T1 modules
compact. better fitting at expense of loss of a utility slot
T2 comparable to current T2 modules

now your new mods.
1 with better coherance
1 with better virus strength