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Freedom Fighter Of the Year Award
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Markius TheShed
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#61 - 2011-12-19 11:28:18 UTC
On a similar vain I see that Kazzzi has failed AGAIN to become Amarrian Capsuleer of the Year.

I think that the next contests should be run by the sisters of eve to ensure impartiality.

**Murientor Tribe** a capsuleer organization composed of radical Minmatar. Since YC107
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#62 - 2011-12-19 11:46:10 UTC
Arkady Sadik wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
If you ask me, it's terribly bad form for the organiser of a contest to break his own rules like that.
If a problem appears where the letter of regulations do not match the spirit of the regulations, it is quite normal to adjust the letter and not the spirit.

Though I understand that the Amarrian faith has a history of doing the opposite.


Well you would say that, given that according to the current rules you're barred from being nominated.

It's almost as though the organisers didn't think this through at all.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#63 - 2011-12-19 11:46:53 UTC
Markius TheShed wrote:
On a similar vain I see that Kazzzi has failed AGAIN to become Amarrian Capsuleer of the Year.

I think that the next contests should be run by the sisters of eve to ensure impartiality.


At least we allowed Kazzzi to be nominated.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2011-12-19 12:18:45 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
At least we allowed Kazzzi to be nominated.


A meaningless guesture, as we all know you would never allow him to win.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Markius TheShed
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#65 - 2011-12-19 12:24:09 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Markius TheShed wrote:
On a similar vain I see that Kazzzi has failed AGAIN to become Amarrian Capsuleer of the Year.

I think that the next contests should be run by the sisters of eve to ensure impartiality.


At least we allowed Kazzzi to be nominated.


I'm just thinking of his morale after so many nominations each year but never winning it.

Chin up Kazzzi maybe next year will be your year.

**Murientor Tribe** a capsuleer organization composed of radical Minmatar. Since YC107
Silence iKillYouu
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#66 - 2011-12-19 12:33:59 UTC
No one really cares for all your trolling guys.
A Wolf Brigade Pilot in a minmatar outfit does not qualify for voting.

Make your own award if u want to award Double Agents or some guy called Kazzi whomever he is.

EVE Mail me i dont check forums often.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#67 - 2011-12-19 12:43:31 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Markius TheShed wrote:
On a similar vain I see that Kazzzi has failed AGAIN to become Amarrian Capsuleer of the Year.

I think that the next contests should be run by the sisters of eve to ensure impartiality.


At least we allowed Kazzzi to be nominated.


We all know nominations are near pointless as long as a short list and then a follow up internal only voting process exists.

Anyone can be nominated with a daft enough reason spun, then you just quietly handpick the select few you'd like.


Here the organisers are quite simply cutting out a joke application in public, because they won't honour an observed and well reported double agent. At least they're doing it with honesty and transparency.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2011-12-19 12:58:35 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
honesty and transparency.


You probably shouldn't use those words around Rodj. They might confuse him.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#69 - 2011-12-19 13:01:16 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Markius TheShed wrote:
On a similar vain I see that Kazzzi has failed AGAIN to become Amarrian Capsuleer of the Year.

I think that the next contests should be run by the sisters of eve to ensure impartiality.


At least we allowed Kazzzi to be nominated.


We all know nominations are near pointless as long as a short list and then a follow up internal only voting process exists.

Anyone can be nominated with a daft enough reason spun, then you just quietly handpick the select few you'd like.


Here the organisers are quite simply cutting out a joke application in public, because they won't honour an observed and well reported double agent. At least they're doing it with honesty and transparency.



So you think that arbitrarily refusing nominations in contravention of your own rules is a better way of running things?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#70 - 2011-12-19 13:02:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Sadik
Rodj Blake wrote:
So you think that arbitrarily refusing nominations in contravention of your own rules is a better way of running things?
I wouldn't quite call this "arbitrary." It's a prize for "... those who made great strides in the freedom fight." Sitting in a safe spot and providing gang link boosts to Amarr Militia pilots does not really qualify for the spirit of this prize.

I thought better of you, Mr. Blake.

It's quite amusing that the "joke nominations" the Minmatar brought forth were people such as Kazzzi, who at least used to work for the Amarr and has been extremely active (and amusing) on these fine forums, as well as Vaari, where not even Amarr loyalists know whether he's a troll or serious, while the best the Amarr can come up with as a "joke nomination" is ... a booster merc.

Truly classy.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#71 - 2011-12-19 13:02:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
honesty and transparency.


You probably shouldn't use those words around Rodj. They might confuse him.



On the contrary, the rules regarding Amarrian Loyalist of the Year are publicly stated in advance and do not change as whim dictates.

Transparent and honest.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Mikkel Lybecker
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2011-12-19 13:07:11 UTC
Speaking of honesty and all things virtuous, I should nominate Spes for this award as well as the PIE one, actually. In a strange way he sort of qualifies for both.
Aphoxema G
Khushakor Clan
#73 - 2011-12-19 14:28:44 UTC
I personally don't give a damn if the majority of people elect Arbane as the best. If that's what the people feel, then the people are free to recognize that and dote on Arbane as they see appropriate.

However, regardless of what the "rules" have said, the people handing out the expensive prizes are perfectly within their right to subjectively exclude anyone as they see fit.

If anyone is unhappy with this and feels that this contest fails to uphold the spirit of "Freedom Fighter of The Year", then start your own damned contest and name it "Way Better Freedom Fighter of The Year That's Better Than The Dumb Regular Freedom Fighter of The Year." Don't come in here and **** on our own accolades.

Also, while I feel any person is just as qualified to judge a person as any other, I'm sure the brilliant minds of the 24th Imperial Crusade, the State Protectorate and any organizations that support these factions can clearly see the conflict of interests in voting for us who among us are deserving of praise.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#74 - 2011-12-19 15:02:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Caellach Marellus
Rodj Blake wrote:

So you think that arbitrarily refusing nominations in contravention of your own rules is a better way of running things?


As I said in defence of your own contest, it is their contest and thus their rules, including the right to change if necessary.

I was showing preference to an open system of rules and adjudications as opposed to ones held behind closed doors.



Edit: All this bickering over contests has given me an idea...

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#75 - 2011-12-19 15:40:58 UTC
Galdornae wrote:
Really, I'm noticing a decided lack of serious nominations. Obviously we can ignore smurfsbrigade entirely here, but what's with all the nominations for this Ava Starfire person? Never heard of her and her combat record is rather uninspiring.

In the interest of putting concerted support behind a legitimate candidate, I second the nomination of Annah Kitheran.


Please take into account that Ava almost always flies solo. On top of that,she only flies minmatar ships, and of them, usually only assault frigates or tech 1 frigates. When you remember this, her record becomes more impressive. She also often fights alone against greater numbers, for example here where she defeated both a succubus and a firetail at the same time (neither the stiletto nor the cynabal played any role in that fight).

She also plays a more peaceful role, and has gone to great pains to try and understand the Amarrian people, rather than just hating them blindly like so many of us do.

I also support the nomination of Annah Kitheran.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
Aphoxema G
Khushakor Clan
#76 - 2011-12-19 16:15:28 UTC
Kalaratiri wrote:
Please take into account that Ava almost always flies solo. On top of that,she only flies minmatar ships, and of them, usually only assault frigates or tech 1 frigates. When you remember this, her record becomes more impressive. She also often fights alone against greater numbers, for example here where she defeated both a succubus and a firetail at the same time (neither the stiletto nor the cynabal played any role in that fight).

She also plays a more peaceful role, and has gone to great pains to try and understand the Amarrian people, rather than just hating them blindly like so many of us do.


I'm, honestly, maddeningly jealous of Ava's talent. I am unexceptional in every way I can imagine, I was only elected to become a capsuleer by a pressing need for Pator Tech School to vitalize the program and my better-than-average grades. I originally studied to become a sensors analyst and even that is something I lack in applying.

My ineptitude is clearly systematic; even with hundreds of millions of ISK worth of expert knowledge forcibly inserted into my brain, I still routinely fail to make good decisions when hurried and my response time is very poor when compared to that of other capsuleers. I'm a very expensive schmuck and it'll take me decades of practice to halfway do what Ava does naturally.

It took me a lot of mistakes to get to where I am now, but no one has ever been more supportive of me than my peers in Teraa Matar. Ava attracts a good crowd and the example she sets is endearing, if not overwhelming. I'm frightened to meet a better candidate for this award.
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#77 - 2011-12-19 16:33:45 UTC
Conventia Underking wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Ava Starfire, for creating and running the Teraa Matar corporation, whose message and vision is demonstrably so compelling it can convince members of PIE itself to switch sides.


I didn't expect this, but I'll second this nomination, almost by definition it would seem.


And I'll add my voice to the the nomination.

Ava Starfire is more than my commanding officer -- she's my friend. I owe her, and the family that's formed in Teraa Matar, more than I can ever properly repay. If anyone deserves this award, I say it's her.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#78 - 2011-12-19 16:55:26 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:
Arkady Sadik wrote:
Leopold Caine wrote:

As if this wasn't enough of a farce without such nepotism.
So much for Republic's ideals of freedom and equality.
What does falling for trolls on IGS have to do with freedom and equality?

I mean, outside of more trolling on IGS?

(I also think you're confusing the Republic with the Federation there, but that aside...)



Quite simple. The award was open for all Minmatar out there, with people being able to nominate who they deem worthy, as per vox populi. After a certain individual has gotten a certain number of nominations, the organizer suddenly decided they'd be excluded from the ballot for no real reason given. From what I've seen I can only suppose the the problem why mr. Arbane is seen as less-then-equal than his peers is because he is advocating a peaceful solution to the conflict at hand.
I'm sure it would be quite a thorn in a number of people's sides if the person who wins this isn't a bloodthirsty murderer to fully represent the true facade of the Tribal Liberation Force.
Ergo, it was and stays a farce. But go on, I'm sure you can make it even more entertaining by the time the nominations close.


You know, I fervently advocate a peaceful solution to the conflict between the Empire and the Minmatar people. Everyone knows that.

Funny... no one is mentioning that as "a problem" with me, eh?

He's a goddamn spy and blood traitor. May his name be forgotten.

Ava

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#79 - 2011-12-19 17:21:44 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:

You know, I fervently advocate a peaceful solution to the conflict between the Empire and the Minmatar people. Everyone knows that.


I remember you had been some 6 months or so ago, when ms. Ferel and yourself were having discussions like that in the Arbor. I suppose war changes people.

Quote:
Funny... no one is mentioning that as "a problem" with me, eh?

He's a goddamn spy and blood traitor. May his name be forgotten.

Ava


I'll leave internal politics inside the TLF to yourself own measures of course. Would be impolite from myself to try and discuss your own dirty back yard thinking I'd make a difference. I'm not taking any sides here in your little competition, just pointing out the absurdity of it. You can thank me later, ms. Surionen.
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Annah Kitheran
Angry Mustellid
#80 - 2011-12-19 18:07:58 UTC
Thank you kindly for all the kind words and nominations. I would like to second nominations for Bahamut420 and sasawong, they are both fine stalwart pilots, dedicated to the cause and the warzone would be a bleak place without both of their efforts for the cause.

As for Wolfsbrigade. Judge them kindly, they have been unable to effectively do anything useful on their own for some time so splitting hairs must seem a worthwhile diversion for them.

Annah